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[JayK47]

How are they going to keep the male population subdued with these insane gaming prices? Men may suddenly go outside and start doing manly shit and society will not be happy about that.

Or is the next generation going to be 100% subscription based, with rented console and Game Pass like service? Because these prices are getting out of hand. I used to pick up consoles after mid generation update and price drop. Shit is just going up now and I am at the point now where I am skipping this generation while praying my PC holds up for another 5+ years. I am at the age and have enough games on hand, I could spend the rest of my life just doing retro gaming or playing games like RV There Yet that will run on low spec hardware.

 

[sncvsrtoip]

My current BOM estimate for PS6 is ~$760, so I would say $699 is still possible with a reasonable subsidy. The question is if Sony will even bother now that Xbox is not direct competition anymore.

Uh, rough, don't belive Sony is going back to subsiding so imo 799$ minimum.

 

[LavitzSlambert]

How are they going to keep the male population subdued with these insane gaming prices? Men may suddenly go outside and start doing manly shit and society will not be happy about that.

Or is the next generation going to be 100% subscription based, with rented console and Game Pass like service? Because these prices are getting out of hand. I used to pick up consoles after mid generation update and price drop. Shit is just going up now and I am at the point now where I am skipping this generation while praying my PC holds up for another 5+ years. I am at the age and have enough games on hand, I could spend the rest of my life just doing retro gaming or playing games like RV There Yet that will run on low spec hardware.

Real smart move to try and play chicken with a demographic with access to gigantic backlogs and libraries of free games. FAFO.

 

[PeteBull]

How are they going to keep the male population subdued with these insane gaming prices? Men may suddenly go outside and start doing manly shit and society will not be happy about that.

Or is the next generation going to be 100% subscription based, with rented console and Game Pass like service? Because these prices are getting out of hand. I used to pick up consoles after mid generation update and price drop. Shit is just going up now and I am at the point now where I am skipping this generation while praying my PC holds up for another 5+ years. I am at the age and have enough games on hand, I could spend the rest of my life just doing retro gaming or playing games like RV There Yet that will run on low spec hardware.

Totally diseagree here, bro, 1k usd holiday 2027/2028 for ps6 will be still much cheaper vs parting/dating, outside of some frat parties at college when its relatively cheap, for adult men dating/parting is expensive as all fuck.

 

[MCH2024]

My current BOM estimate for PS6 is ~$760, so I would say $699 is still possible with a reasonable subsidy. The question is if Sony will even bother now that Xbox is not direct competition anymore.

We'd be lucky to get 899.99$ with no controller and no disk drive and you know it.

Remember US tariffs went away yet sony raised the price. They want to make a profit per unit sold.

 

[Bojji]

This BOM is without disc drive and with 1TB SSD (Kepler added in another post).

 

[MCH2024]

We'd be lucky to get 899.99$ with no controller and no disk drive and you know it.

This is another point. BoM for dual sense was 40$ when PS5 Pro launched. They can save that by supporting Dual Sense in PS6 and then releasing Dual Sense 2 you have to buy separately.

 

[mckmas8808]

I could actually see it happening.

I think we'll see a push into cloud gaming, but that push will come from Sony and Microsoft. Can't afford a console at a four figure sum? No problem. Just sign up to stream your games via the cloud. Of course, you would still need to purchase your games, but if you can't afford the hardware then you'll have to pay a monthly fee to stream them. And since the hardware will be expensive, a lot of people will be priced out.

If you've already built up a vast digital library but can't afford the next PS or Xbox, the cloud might be the only way you'll be able to access your games.

If the choice next generation is that or a console that costs over a grand, then I'd personally rather not bother at all.

And this would bring the death of consoles, IF they did that.

 

[MCH2024]

This is PS5 Pro's BoM on Release + Double Memory / Storage Price + 10% current US Tariffs. They are still losing money on the Pro at 899.99$.

K KeplerL2 when you say 760$, there is no way you're including the US's 10% tariff or not assuming some easing for memory or storage right? Because memory and NAND have more than doubled.

My PS6 Estimate is ~820$ with the 10% tariffs assuming memory and storage prices decline 15%, no controller, and very substantial reductions in the cost of the cooling, power subsystems.

 

[mckmas8808]

Not to be all doom and gloom but it looks like the whole HD console space is just gonna collapse of it's own weight.

With these new increases console sales are gonna crash hard. They were already slowing down and at/near saturation levels before. Seriously how many more sales do you think you are gonna get with prices like that? Shit, prices were already high due to the whole premium brand repositioning thing they've been angling for. Whole thing is way out of hand. You seriously have to wonder what the viability of the product offering is at this point.

What's crazy is the basic economics of the console space hasn't really changed all these years. Consoles have to be mass market items or the whole thing just doesn't work. That's the economy of scale required to sell enough software, to make your platform viable for developers. Seriously; who are they planning on selling software to if the install base is not drawing in those mass market customers? Who is gonna buy the games? You know the expensive ones they already are not selling enough of to break even. It doesn't make any sense.

I tell you what. Some smart company is gonna come in and fill the lower end mass market space Sony and Microsoft seem content to leave behind. We saw that Wii knock off thing do great this last holiday. Maybe time for Roblox to partner up with a hardware manufacturer and jump into the console game? Bet a cheap $200-300 Roblox Box would sell like hotcakes.

Totally agree with you.

 

[Puscifer]

Pro already is 900$ with this price increase...

Technically a thousand with the drive increase. Cant complain about Helix now

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Cant complain about Helix now

Wait till it land at two solid grand for the weakest SKU, my man.

 

[Tobimacoss]

And this would bring the death of consoles, IF they did that.

No it won't, because it's a part of the same Console ecosystem. The console acts as the foundation, the tree and Cloud Gaming are the branches that expand in all directions. They're intertwined. Hardware becomes irrelevant in the world of Cloud Gaming, just becomes optional and Premium.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

This is PS5 Pro's BoM on Release + Double Memory / Storage Price + 10% current US Tariffs. They are still losing money on the Pro at 899.99$.

K KeplerL2 when you say 760$, there is no way you're including the US's 10% tariff or not assuming some easing for memory or storage right? Because memory and NAND have more than doubled.

My PS6 Estimate is ~820$ with the 10% tariffs assuming memory and storage prices decline 15%, no controller, and very substantial reductions in the cost of the cooling, power subsystems.

My problem is that people pinning too much on RAM, while we're having an insane NAND shortage that just right now directly hinders my photo/video work.

Same day as Sony announced console price increases, it stated that it pauses almost all of it's quite big and reputable removable memory business due to severe lack of NAND and inability to obtain it even with possible price increases in mind. It's a huge problem, because Sony Tough Type A/SD cards are excellent workhorses that can sustain hours of grueling work without losing data.

 

[Tobimacoss]

Technically a thousand with the drive increase. Cant complain about Helix now

How can you forget about the vertical stand?

**Vertical stand sold separately.

 

[MCH2024]

My problem is that people pinning too much on RAM, while we're having an insane NAND shortage that just right now directly hinders my photo/video work.

Same day as Sony announced console price increases, it stated that it pauses almost all of it's quite big and reputable removable memory business due to severe lack of NAND and inability to obtain it even with possible price increases in mind. It's a huge problem, because Sony Tough Type A/SD cards are excellent workhorses that can sustain hours of grueling work without losing data.

Yes everyone is crying on RAM but that's mostly because RAM was so cheap for a while that it was selling for dirt. The whiplash from ram being underpriced due to a market crash to RAM being richly valued is ridiculous.

But the NAND shortage is just as bad if not worse. 2TB on PS5 Pro is what's killing the BoM.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Yes everyone is crying on RAM but that's mostly because RAM was so cheap for a while that it was selling for dirt. The whiplash from ram being underpriced due to a market crash to RAM being richly valued is ridiculous.

But the NAND shortage is just as bad if not worse. 2TB on PS5 Pro is what's killing the BoM.

Def possible the 2 TB is why the Pro got a $150 increase while the regular got $100.

 

[nial]

Actually, digital one was sold at loss, disc based wasn't already during Summer 2021. That was said by Totoki. Anyway, economical situation changed significantly in last 3 years. Now i dunno.

This isnt true! Sony actually started making a profit on the PS5 within the first 9 months!! The only times they have made losses on hardware has been during some seasons where they sell them at a discount. So sometimes they take a loss when they sell at a discount and other times its break even. Besides that ever since 2021 Sony makes a profit whenever it sells a PS5 at MSRP.

Sony’s $499 PS5 is no longer selling at a loss

The PS5 won’t be costly like the PS3.

www.theverge.com

That was before TSMC raised their wafer prices.

But to achieve 600$ price with PS6 next year - they will have to do massive price decreases on PS5 and PS5 Pro. They might actually start to lose money on them... again.

I don't see current day Sony subsidizing three consoles at the same time (maybe even 4 with Portable).

I was expecting $700, not $600. By that point they only need to discontinue the PS5 Pro, something they were ALWAYS going to do.
But if they REALLY want $600? They can easily discontinue the entire PS5 line, something that they will need to do anyway with how they're going to be struggling in securing enough memory for both platforms (the same reason they scaled down production on PS4 with the chip shortage, and the memory shortage comes with big price hikes to boot).

 

[PeteBull]

This BOM is without disc drive and with 1TB SSD (Kepler added in another post).

We can safely assume nextgen games will be bigger(at least 1,5x bigger) even from current gen games so 1TB SSD is way too small, 2TB is minimum what we can expect but even 4TB wouldnt be considered too big vs what 826Gb SSD was on holidays 2020.

 

[Tobimacoss]

That was before TSMC raised their wafer prices.

I was expecting $700, not $600. By that point they only need to discontinue the PS5 Pro, something they were ALWAYS going to do.
But if they REALLY want $600? They can easily discontinue the entire PS5 line, something that they will need to do anyway with how they're going to be struggling in securing enough memory for both platforms (the same reason they scaled down production on PS4 with the chip shortage, and the memory shortage comes with big price hikes to boot).

Yep, I expect the PS5 and Pro to cease production. It's more expensive to build older tech than newer gen in many cases. Orion will still be $799 minimum though.

Sony's best bet is to flood the casual market with the Canis TV box for under $499. Plus a $99-$120 PSTV streaming box.

 

[mckmas8808]

My current BOM estimate for PS6 is ~$760, so I would say $699 is still possible with a reasonable subsidy. The question is if Sony will even bother now that Xbox is not direct competition anymore.

With this new information, I will officially get off the ledge of death and stop saying the PS6 will cost $1,000.

Given this, I think Sony will probably sell the PS6 for $800 at launch. Make a profit immediately, while decreasing the price of the PS5 to its "launch" price. Thus making a $499 PS5 seem like a bargain once GTA6 is out.

 

[Hyper_hyper]

That was before TSMC raised their wafer prices.

Yes, correct, but you claimed it was selling at loss since launch. No, it didn't.

 

[Bojji]

That was before TSMC raised their wafer prices.

I was expecting $700, not $600. By that point they only need to discontinue the PS5 Pro, something they were ALWAYS going to do.
But if they REALLY want $600? They can easily discontinue the entire PS5 line, something that they will need to do anyway with how they're going to be struggling in securing enough memory for both platforms (the same reason they scaled down production on PS4 with the chip shortage, and the memory shortage comes with big price hikes to boot).

Yep, I expect the PS5 and Pro to cease production. It's more expensive to build older tech than newer gen in many cases. Orion will still be $799 minimum though.

Sony's best bet is to flood the casual market with the Canis TV box for under $499. Plus a $99-$120 PSTV streaming box.

No way they are gonna discontinue PS5 when there are still millions of active PS4 owners. I doubt they will jump to very expensive PS6, they will wait for cheap PS5.

Maybe few years from now they will stop PS5 production, and it's not like PS5 uses the same node that PS6 will use. Also different memory type.

 

[Tobimacoss]

No way they are gonna discontinue PS5 when there are still millions of active PS4 owners. I doubt they will jump to very expensive PS6, they will wait for cheap PS5.

Maybe few years from now they will stop PS5 production, and it's not like PS5 uses the same node that PS6 will use. Also different memory type.

MLID stated the documents he read showed Sony wanting to use Canis as a path of upgrade for reluctant PS4 users.
Either as a dockable handheld or TV box variant. They will not be wanting to have 4 different consoles on market.

It would just be PS6 Orion, PS6 Canis Handheld, and possibly a PS6 Lite with Canis internals. That would be the mass market device.

16 CU RDNA5, roughly 6 Teraflops GPU.

 

[nial]

Yes, correct, but you claimed it was selling at loss since launch. No, it didn't.

How so? If you say that the disc model stopped being sold at a loss in 2021 (just around a year before that wasn't the case anymore), then that implies that it was sold at a loss at launch. If the digital model never stopped being sold at a loss, then the PS5 line selling at a loss SINCE launch is accurate.

No way they are gonna discontinue PS5 when there are still millions of active PS4 owners. I doubt they will jump to very expensive PS6, they will wait for cheap PS5.

Maybe few years from now they will stop PS5 production, and it's not like PS5 uses the same node that PS6 will use. Also different memory type

There are what? 20M to 25M active PS4 owners by now? And that's going down from now to 2027. You're also implying that PS6 is going to be a lot more expensive than PS5, something you don't know.

It's going to a problem securing enough memory period, no matter the type.

 

[Bojji]

MLID stated the documents he read showed Sony wanting to use Canis as a path of upgrade for reluctant PS4 users.
Either as a dockable handheld or TV box variant. They will not be wanting to have 4 different consoles on market.

It would just be PS6 Orion, PS6 Canis Handheld, and possibly a PS6 Lite with Canis internals. That would be the mass market device.

16 CU RDNA5, roughly 6 Teraflops GPU.

This handheld will be able to play all PS4 games and a fraction of PS5 games (those with low power mode and maybe some other patched titles).

We aren't even sure if Sony will mandate support for it alongside normal PS6 versions. 5x power difference between them.

How so? If you say that the disc model stopped being sold at a loss in 2021 (just around a year before that wasn't the case anymore), then that implies that it was sold at a loss at launch. If the digital model never stopped being sold at a loss, then the PS5 line selling at a loss SINCE launch is accurate.

There are what? 20M to 25M active PS4 owners by now? And that's going down from now to 2027. You're also implying that PS6 is going to be a lot more expensive than PS5, something you don't know.

It's going to a problem securing enough memory period, no matter the type.

I'm 100% sure PS6 will be significantly more expensive than launch PS5.

 

[nial]

I'm 100% sure PS6 will be significantly more expensive than launch PS5.

No point in discussing this now.

 

[MCH2024]

At this point just make Canis PS6 and Orion as PS6 Pro.

The only reason to have PS6 remain as Orion is if they are certain they can drop Orion's price by a few hundred in a few years to put a pro above it. But I highly doubt they can.

 

[Tobimacoss]

This handheld will be able to play all PS4 games and a fraction of PS5 games (those with low power mode and maybe some other patched titles).

We aren't even sure if Sony will mandate support for it alongside normal PS6 versions. 5x power difference between them.



I'm 100% sure PS6 will be significantly more expensive than launch PS5.

The delta between devices is irrelevant, AI upscaling is the key. Handheld will have to have mandatory PS6 SKU support or it would be yuuuuuge blunder for Sony. The fact that they want PS4 holdout users to use Canis as primary console means Canis will have full PS6 game version support.

At this point just make Canis PS6 and Orion as PS6 Pro.

The only reason to have PS6 remain as Orion is if they are certain they can drop Orion's price by a few hundred in a few years to put a pro above it. But I highly doubt they can.

It's pretty much the Series X|S situation going forward for PS, and PC scalable hardware situation for Helix.

Everyone forgets the Xbox One only had 12 CU GPU, and PS4 only had 18 CU GPU. Series S only had 20 CU GPU.

RDNA5 is up to 6 times more performance per watt than RDNA2, even without the AI upscaling.

12-16 CU will be the baseline for all consoles next gen. 16 CU for Canis Handheld, and 12-24 CU SKUs for Helix/Magnus Handheld. Both act as Dockable Consoles like the switch.

 

[Hyper_hyper]

How so? If you say that the disc model stopped being sold at a loss in 2021 (just around a year before that wasn't the case anymore), then that implies that it was sold at a loss at launch.

There is no how so. PS5 disc version stopped selling at loss announced in Aug. 2021 . You've claimed it was selling at loss all the way to 2024. Never ever claimed it wasn't sold at loss at launch. Don't twisty words.

If the digital model never stopped being sold at a loss, then the PS5 line selling at a loss SINCE launch is accurate.

There is no IF. Wast majority of sales were Disc Based version. That was a thing until Slim version and optional Disc Drive at the end of 2023.

 

[Bojji]

No point in discussing this now.

What? This PS5 price hike is very suggestive when to comes to PS6 pricing. Especially when the console will be more expensive to make than PS5 pro.

 

[kiphalfton]

Thanks AI, I fucking hate this timeline.

The rate at which everything is increasing in price makes me wonder at what point "how much is too much?"

Companies seem to have realized they can bleed people dry, and yet will still continue to buy.

I just don't get where people are coming up with the money...

 

[Markio128]

I acknowledge and understand the reasons for the hike in prices, but it'll obviously stunt any further growth or anticipation for a new gen. Right now, I'd prefer my PS5 Pro be supported for at least further 4-5 years because I don't have the hunger for another console.

 

[splattered]

That was before TSMC raised their wafer prices.

I was expecting $700, not $600. By that point they only need to discontinue the PS5 Pro, something they were ALWAYS going to do.
But if they REALLY want $600? They can easily discontinue the entire PS5 line, something that they will need to do anyway with how they're going to be struggling in securing enough memory for both platforms (the same reason they scaled down production on PS4 with the chip shortage, and the memory shortage comes with big price hikes to boot).

Oh come on man you know the ps5 gonna be alive a good 5+ years past the ps6 with cross gen titles being the norm.

 

[Bojji]

Oh come on man you know the ps5 gonna be alive a good 5+ years past the ps6 with cross gen titles being the norm.

Ps4 kept going for years and this time cross gen will be even longer.

Sony never kills their consoles quickly.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

The rate at which everything is increasing in price makes me wonder at what point "how much is too much?"

Companies seem to have realized they can bleed people dry, and yet will still continue to buy.

I just don't get where people are coming up with the money...

They probably don't got the money. But no matter what's going on in the world, the avg person's debt just keeps going up.

Doesn't matter if it's good economic times or a recession. Just add on those purchases to the credit card balance.

 

[adamsapple]

This is PS5 Pro's BoM on Release + Double Memory / Storage Price + 10% current US Tariffs. They are still losing money on the Pro at 899.99$.

K KeplerL2 when you say 760$, there is no way you're including the US's 10% tariff or not assuming some easing for memory or storage right? Because memory and NAND have more than doubled.

My PS6 Estimate is ~820$ with the 10% tariffs assuming memory and storage prices decline 15%, no controller, and very substantial reductions in the cost of the cooling, power subsystems.

300+ for storage seems high, no?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

With this new information, I will officially get off the ledge of death and stop saying the PS6 will cost $1,000.

Given this, I think Sony will probably sell the PS6 for $800 at launch. Make a profit immediately, while decreasing the price of the PS5 to its "launch" price. Thus making a $499 PS5 seem like a bargain once GTA6 is out.

I think $800 would be a safe bet with current world affairs and obviously thats subject to change

I feel pricing at $1000 becomes a gamble with people looking at a new GTA 6 machine as you don't want to be that close to the next Xbox in pricing

Why even crack that door open when you can drive the final nail into the coffin that is the death of Xbox

 

[MCH2024]

300+ for storage seems high, no?

That's just 2x what it cost on PS5 Pro's BoM when it came out. 154$ for the NAND and 8$ for the controller.

 

[MCH2024]

Might be news but SSD Price increases are just as brutal as DRAM if not more.

I kinda wish Sony avoided a PS5 Pro Price Hike or lessened it to 799$ by using starting to use a 1TB SSD. But then PS5 Pro would have made the base console look silly.

 

[Jesb]

Consoles are about to see a significant decline in growth. You can't grow with these prices.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

The PS2 managed to sell 120 million units because they got the price under two hundred eurodollars.

If you start to charge hardcore prices might as well just jump to PC.

 

[Danjin44]

If you start to charge hardcore prices might as well just jump to PC.

Isn't PC also crazy expensive because of the overpriced parts?

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Consoles are about to see a significant decline in growth. You can't grow with these prices.

What's pathetic is Sony thinks they can. A PS+ price hike is probably coming next. They know they can just keep increasing the cost of everything and that some of their fan base will just find a way to justify it and they'll just keep doing it as long as they'll let them get away with hit.

As for me, I'm basically out already. I own a base PS5 that I hardly use, get my multiplats on systems I prefer over PlayStation, and only use it for exclusives and PS4 back comp.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

Brutal, but unfortunately expected considering the upwards trends in component prices.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Isn't PC also crazy expensive because of the overpriced parts?

Compared to one storefront and paying to go online? No way not a chance, when taking that into account. You are paying for convenience with a console and a standardized experience. There is nothing wrong with that, but its not the best deal if that is your true motivation.

 

[ThroatPie]

They cant possibly do this right?

 

[Guardian Monkey]

They cant possibly do this right?

What were you expecting when the CFO said they were going to extract more from the current userbase?

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

$20 per month for basic online console gaming? RIP traditional console gaming.

 

[MCH2024]

They cant possibly do this right?

An increase is upcoming if you believe Sony CFO.

Honestly I think they will just cancel the annual plan. Using the Per Month Pricing Console Online would be 119.99$ per year not 79.99$