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Sony XDev - Studio that collaborates with external studios (Stella Blade, Death Stranding 2) removed PC ports from its description

bitbydeath said:
You did see how it killed Xbox right?
Many on GAF were even saying they're moving to PC due to PlayStation games being released there.
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They would've been gone for real without the ports. XB1 catastrophic staggered failure launch killed all hype for the brand and it affected everything and every decision. They needed the PC ports to have enough people playing their games, then moved to Steam to get more people in, studios still closed, and now they're on PS and NSW as well. It was necessary.

Also, it's not like dedicated PS fans would move over to PC. It's mostly people like myself who barely use the console anyway, the loss for Sony is minimal, I haven't played anything since Astrobot.

And remember how many PS fans said they would play all Microsoft's games on PC. That was before they were on Steam. You think that actually happened? You think PS fans were buying games left and right on Microsoft Store? Nah, I don't think the majority of them ever had a PC or it was too lousy actually run anything, was mostly noise about Xbox no longer having "true exclusives".

So you should probably take things you hear about people moving from PS to PC with a healthy dose of salt too. It's not like moving from Xbox to PC. It's a bigger step and not an easy journey, you lose all your progress and purchases, it's a LOT more expensive nowadays, and there is added friction from dicey port quality. Many talk about it without actually doing it.
 


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Ironman_Bad said:
Lost hardware sales and piracy while devalued brand does not justify a couple million potential pc sales
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Curious at what the evidence is showing the brand has been devalued by this? All I see is mediocre sales figures making it not worth it.
 
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Edgelord79 said:
Curious at what the evidence is showing the brand has been devalued by this? All I see is mediocre sales figures making it not worth it.
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you don't even have to take public sentiment surveys to see it, people say "PS has no games" and "Ill just buy a PC" on almost every post on social media. it has 100% been devalued, more reasons to it than outlined, of course, but it has.
 
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Edgelord79 said:
Curious at what the evidence is showing the brand has been devalued by this? All I see is mediocre sales figures making it not worth it.
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Fanboy drivel. It helps soften the blow of the price hike to know that at least PC gamers won't get to play their exclusives anymore.
tmlDan said:
you don't even have to take public sentiment surveys to see it, people say "PS has no games" and "Ill just buy a PC" on almost every post on social media. it has 100% been devalued, more reasons to it than outlined, of course, but it has.
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Only in fanboy circles. Most customers don't give a shit and happily continued buying PlayStations despite the repeated price increases.

"on almost every post on social media", fucking lol. You made that up.
 
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Gaiff said:
Only in fanboy circles. Most customers don't give a shit and happily continued buying PlayStations despite the repeated price increases.
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You're right, but it doesn't matter, the public see it and it has had influence on their first party titles- just because they've kinda become the defacto console doesn't mean the first party games sales are up to snuff to something like last gen. We could talk about "quality" but word of mouth is definitely important.

Yes, the console is selling well, but this degradation of brand over time could impact future consoles heavily without proper incentive.
 
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tmlDan said:
You're right, but it doesn't matter, the public see it and it has had influence on their first party titles- just because they've kinda become the defacto console doesn't mean the first party games sales are up to snuff to something like last gen. We could talk about "quality" but word of mouth is definitely important.

Yes, the console is selling well, but this degradation of brand over time could impact future consoles heavily without proper incentive.
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The public isn't Gaf, Twitter, or reddit. It's not terminally online people who care about console wars. When Spider-Man 2 was released, the vast majority didn't go, "Oh, it's coming out to PC too, guess I'll just wait." They went ahead and bought it and when it came out for PC a year later, they didn't give a shit.

That brand damage value is all in the heads of fanboys. Most don't care about games going to PC 2-3 years later, especially when you can just walk into a store, buy a console, and set it up on the same night and be ready to play. People walk into electronic stores wondering what console they should buy or if they have COD or Fifa on PS, not about building a PC now that PS games are coming out on it long after they've released on PlayStation.
 
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tmlDan said:
you don't even have to take public sentiment surveys to see it, people say "PS has no games" and "Ill just buy a PC" on almost every post on social media. it has 100% been devalued, more reasons to it than outlined, of course, but it has.
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All that to say "no evidence".
 
Wolzard said:
What's so difficult about the company releasing an official statement about this?
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There's just no good reason to. The only context in which it would make sense would be at an earning call. Say someone asks, "We noticed that your PC initiative has slowed down. How do you plan on growing the brand outside of PlayStation," and the boss goes "We're refocusing our strategy on our core business and will judge whether or not PC fits into our future plans", or something along those lines.

Just going, "Sorry PC gamers, we'll stop porting games to your platform", would only please platform warriors.
 
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bitbydeath said:
It'd probably come off badly, sounding like 'suck it PC gamers, we're no longer porting our games to you.'
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Just make a "corporate speech". Rumors and news are more damaging than a press release because they create uncertainty. If I were a Sony shareholder, I'd already be confused about the company's direction. Maybe we'll have something at the next investors' meeting.

I generated one here using AI:

We would like to begin by expressing our deepest gratitude to all the players who follow and support PlayStation Studios games, including the vibrant PC community.

Your enthusiasm, dedication, and passion for our stories mean a great deal to the entire team and motivate us daily to deliver ever-better experiences.

After careful consideration of our strategy, we are pleased to announce that our first-party single-player titles will remain exclusive to the PlayStation ecosystem.

This decision reinforces our commitment to creating complete, technically optimized, and memorable narrative experiences, taking full advantage of the unique capabilities of the PlayStation hardware.

It's important to highlight that we will continue bringing online experiences to PC, such as the recent Marathon and future online titles from the Horizon franchise, with day-one support, so that as many players as possible can participate in these shared online experiences.

We continue to deeply value all our fans around the world — those who play on PlayStation 5 and those who prefer the PC platform — and we sincerely thank them for their continued support over the years.

We will remain focused on developing innovative and unforgettable games, delivering the best of PlayStation to our community. Thank you once again for being part of this journey with us.
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Bernardougf said:
Sony clearly dosent want to do day 1 games on pc (only gaas) , the only reason plausible for this is brand devaluation, there's no low sales justification because they simply didnt try any Day 1 game to see what happens, they have sales data from second party games like DS2 to evaluate, its not day 1 games but its not 2 years later also, and they have a lot of data from third party games split (pc vs ps) ...

So all in all no matter what we say, Sony dosent think its good business to do so, and I dont think this is a PS5 decision, it is a PS6 decision, now we are basing our opinions on this godawful gen with lower output and quality and thinking "meh, why?", but in a "what if" scenario were Sony got their shit together and start pumping out good exclusives from their studios and partners like ps3/ps4 era , the scenario can be very different. Specially with a new line of "Pc consoles" flooding the market nextgen.

Ps5 is a well established and successful console, so what ? Now they have to sell ps6 and ps6 handhelds in a very different market than the ps5 launched, so exclusives will matter even more to push the new consoles.
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This X 1000.

Many people here have tunnel vision. This move to pull away from PC isn't just a PS5 decision, it's a response to the changing market. People think Sony isn't aware of the changing market going into next gen. They PS6 is probably going to be more expensive than the PS5 was and will also be competing with the Helix and Steam Machine 2 for gamers' wallets. Sony would be total idiots giving their games to competing platforms when the PS6 needs all the help it can get next gen. The same people telling us exclusives aren't important when it comes to console sales were the same people telling us a while ago that they planned to skip the PS6 next gen because all its games would be coming to PC. They must think Sony are idiots and don't notice the change in wind direction of the markets or don't read forum posts and Twitter sentiments.

Exclusives are extremely important to a console's success. It's one of the several pillars that ensures a console does well especially when you're about to sell a console that is going for higher price than what gamers are accustomed to paying.
 
Tiago Rodrigues said:
Not that i disagree with Shift Up not agreeing with it...but companies want to make the most money, not selling the most. And those don't always go hand in hand. It all depends on how much money Sony offers them.
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Sony will never offer them $300 million though. Pearl Abyss declined Sony's offer to publish Crimson Desert in exchange for exclusivity. Shift Up wants to publish their future games themselves now.
 
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Tiago Rodrigues said:
Not that i disagree with Shift Up not agreeing with it...but companies want to make the most money, not selling the most. And those don't always go hand in hand. It all depends on how much money Sony offers them.
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These studios want to grow their brand, yes they can get a lot of money from Sony but at the cost of long term brand longevity if its tied to PlayStation, it would be tied to its ebbs and flows, on multiple platforms you grow your fanbase which and lead to higher returns in the future.
 
yogaflame said:
Stellar blade 2 ps5 or ps6 exclusive pls
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Haha no, people are starting to revise the rumour. Sony published games are still coming to PC. So the likes of Death Stranding and Stellar Blade the games are still definitely coming to PC. There will only be the timed exclusivity we currently already have. I still think the rumour is not 100% as Sony still have NIxxes. Out of all the studio closures they have still kept them and their job description has not changed.
 
Simms said:
Haha no, people are starting to revise the rumour. Sony published games are still coming to PC. So the likes of Death Stranding and Stellar Blade the games are still definitely coming to PC. There will only be the timed exclusivity we currently already have. I still think the rumour is not 100% as Sony still have NIxxes. Out of all the studio closures they have still kept them and their job description has not changed.
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Of course because they are still porting all their GAAS games for pc/xbox and will continue to do so. So no point in axing Nixxes.
 
Bernardougf said:
Of course because they are still porting all their GAAS games for pc/xbox and will continue to do so. So no point in axing Nixxes.
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NIxxes mainly port single player games and if anything only provide technical support for gaas games. Tell me what Gaas games already released or going forwards have been or are going to be ported by NIxxes?

Also no mention of Sony published games still coming to PC like Death Stranding or Stellat blade? With Sony studio closures good luck with their being a many exclusives going forward. I think Sony will really put effort into cloud streaming services with hardware costs going up and obtain timed third party exclusives to bolster the exclusivity software.
 
Simms said:
NIxxes mainly port single player games and if anything only provide technical support for gaas games. Tell me what Gaas games already released or going forwards have been or are going to be ported by NIxxes?

Also no mention of Sony published games still coming to PC like Death Stranding or Stellat blade? With Sony studio closures good luck with their being a many exclusives going forward. I think Sony will really put effort into cloud streaming services with hardware costs going up and obtain timed third party exclusives to bolster the exclusivity software.
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Well second party deals already made are obviously being respected and will launch on whatever platform the deal covers. This is not a present immediate thing, its a move that can affect future partnership deals, not the ones already in place.
 
FIREKNIGHT2029 said:
This X 1000.

Many people here have tunnel vision. This move to pull away from PC isn't just a PS5 decision, it's a response to the changing market. People think Sony isn't aware of the changing market going into next gen. They PS6 is probably going to be more expensive than the PS5 was and will also be competing with the Helix and Steam Machine 2 for gamers' wallets. Sony would be total idiots giving their games to competing platforms when the PS6 needs all the help it can get next gen. The same people telling us exclusives aren't important when it comes to console sales were the same people telling us a while ago that they planned to skip the PS6 next gen because all its games would be coming to PC. They must think Sony are idiots and don't notice the change in wind direction of the markets or don't read forum posts and Twitter sentiments.

Exclusives are extremely important to a console's success. It's one of the several pillars that ensures a console does well especially when you're about to sell a console that is going for higher price than what gamers are accustomed to paying.
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What exclusives does the PS5 have? 🤣🤣🤣
 
Bernardougf said:
Exactly.... now you understand why they are doing this.
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But not having exclusives didn't hurt PS5.

If someone wants to play Madden/FC, COD or any other mainstream game on a console, there is no other way than to buy playstation. Xbox is dead and Nintendo is targeting other audience (so far).

Exclusives were way more important when there still was competition.
 
Bojji said:
But not having exclusives didn't hurt PS5.

If someone wants to play Madden/FC, COD or any other mainstream game on a console, there is no other way than to buy playstation. Xbox is dead and Nintendo is targeting other audience (so far).

Exclusives were way more important when there still was competition.
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What competition does nintendo have to not launch their games on pc and make billions ? .... The competition now is PC and more importantly the upcoming PC consoles (steam/xbox), PS5 is successful, nothing guarantees the success of PS6, this move is about the PS6 it has nothing to do with the PS5.

P.s. edit , in fact it has, the general perception is "PS5 has got no exclusives" or good esclusives for that matter ... You will find many opinions like this all over the forum...

Its this perception they are trying to change. (If all this is true of course)
 
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bitbydeath said:
You sure? They're still behind the PS4, AFAIK.
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Super high price and low availability when Covid happened.

Bernardougf said:
What competition does nintendo have to not launch their games on pc and make billions ? .... The competition now is PC and more importantly the upcoming PC consoles (steam/xbox), PS5 is successful, nothing guarantees the success of PS6, this move is about the PS6 it has nothing to do with the PS5.
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I can see why Helix and Steam box (both console/PC hybrids) convinced Sony that it's time to pull PC support. PC alone was not a direct competition to them.
 
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Bojji said:
Super high price and low availability when Covid happened.



I can see why Helix and Steam box (both console/PC hybrids) convinced Sony that it's time to pull PC support. PC alone was not a direct competition to them.
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Sony wanting in the handheld business also helped...

And I did an edit about the ps5 "no exclusive" perception in my previous post.
 
Bojji said:
I doubt GAF is representative sample in this case.
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Think like this ... lets for a moment forget about the success of the ps5.

If all the games that were released on ps5, ps4 and PC ... were released only on the ps5... what was going to be the perception about the exclusive games it has ? All of them... rise of the ronin, stellar blade, desth Stranding, all the crossgen games, the next Kena, and so on.. lets pretend all of them are PS5 exclusives...

The perception would probably not be "ps5 has no exclusives" ...

So if Sony wants this perception to change.. this is the right move. Of course there are others to make, but closing the "pc shop" is one of them.
 
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bitbydeath said:
I doubt it's just GAF saying it.
Most people would want a one-stop-shop.
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Bernardougf said:
Think like this ... lets for a moment forget about the success of the ps5.

If all the games that were released on ps5, ps4 and PC ... were released only on the ps5... what was going to be the perception about the exclusive games it has ? All of them... rise of the ronin, stellar blade, desth Stranding, all the crossgen games, the next Kena, and so on.. lets pretend all of them are PS5 exclusives...

The perception would probably not be "ps5 has no exclusives" ...

So if Sony wants this perception to change.. this is the right move. Of course there are others to make, but closing the "pc shop" is one of them.
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I think perception PS5 have on hardcore gaming forums have not much to do with real life sales.

I think Taylor Swift represents garbage quality music vs. Perturbator but yet... she it outselling him. Hardcore console gamers are a minority vs. COD/FC crowd.
 
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Bernardougf said:
Think like this ... lets for a moment forget about the success of the ps5.

If all the games that were released on ps5, ps4 and PC ... were released only on the ps5... what was going to be the perception about the exclusive games it has ? All of them... rise of the ronin, stellar blade, desth Stranding, all the crossgen games, the next Kena, and so on.. lets pretend all of them are PS5 exclusives...
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And what do these people end up doing? Do they all go and get PCs?
 
Bojji said:
I think perception PS5 have on hardcore gaming forums have not much to do with real life sales.

I think Taylor Swift represents garbage quality music vs. Perturbator but yet... she it outselling him. Hardcore console gamers are a minority vs. COD/FC crowd.
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If PlayStation is the only place to buy the biggest games everyone is talking about, then lots more people would buy one.

Sony's job is to then create that game.
 
bitbydeath said:
If PlayStation is the only place to buy the biggest games everyone is talking about, then lots more people would buy one.

Sony's job is to then create that game.
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Most important games on PS are third party games, this didn't really change much since PS1.
 
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