It won't be sold directly to consumers, but you will be able to buy an ASUS/MSI/etc Helix machine.
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No more special sauce for Xbox console going Into helix
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PauloRoberto
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So we are discussing about a Ryzen AI processor of sorts (im a sucker for SFF PCs :-D). Good lord, MS is even more useless in gaming department than i imagined. I can simply buy a GMTEK or Beelink machine them :-D
Hyper_hyper
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Why everyone here is attacking a good news about Xbox? :/ I mean, c'mon
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sncvsrtoip
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news is not that bad, only special sauce ps5 and ps5pro has is lack of latest amd features available on latest arch ;d ps4pro was different story but lately it was mostly budget cutting
Shogmaster
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Why are we discussing none GPU custom features like Tempest Audio? The article was talking specifically about the GPU portion as far as graphics functionality.
Helix SoC GPU portion is AT2 chiplet that will also be used in RX 10070XT. OH NO! A full featured RDNA 5 chiplet! Nothing taken out to reduce die space for vonsole customization purposes! Helix is srewed!
This thread is too dumb for lyfe.
Helix SoC GPU portion is AT2 chiplet that will also be used in RX 10070XT. OH NO! A full featured RDNA 5 chiplet! Nothing taken out to reduce die space for vonsole customization purposes! Helix is srewed!
This thread is too dumb for lyfe.
lastmessiah
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How did they ghost it? Surface has been steadily releasing new models since it launched. I have the latest Surface Pro 11 on ARM and it was just revealed that a new model is coming this spring/summer.
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HeisenbergFX4
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Because people didn't read what was actually said and
OverHeat
took some liberties leaving the GPU part out of the thread title
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Ok?
It amounted to nothing in the end, the Cerny sauce neither
Member all the talk early that PC would struggle with streaming ? I member.
It amounted to nothing in the end, the Cerny sauce neither
Member all the talk early that PC would struggle with streaming ? I member.
lastmessiah
Member
Console manufacturers can get away with marketing "customizations" because they know their customers have no idea what they are talking about lol.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Because people didn't read what was actually said and
One day we'll have a topic about Xbox on GAF without hyperbole.
Sooner
Member
They aren't fighting it. They are making one. I'm sure Valve is ecstatic. Just more machines for Valve to make all the profit from.
Shogmaster
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I'd be more worried about Steam Machine if Helix let's you run Steam without restrictions. SM needs to be 50% MSRP or lower of Helix to have any chance if Syeam runs on Jelix...
Orbital2060
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Xbox Project Helix Has 0 GPU Customization, Leak Claims, Abandoning the Last Thing That Made an Xbox Feel Like One
Xbox Project Helix leak: Microsoft abandons custom GPU for its next-gen system, ending the traditional console era.wccftech.com
viveks86
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One day we'll have a topic about Xbox on GAF without hyperbole.
FUBARx89
Member
I'm basing this off Helix appearing so far to be a PC "hybrid" just like Steam Machine.
Steam Machine and by extension Helix are going to live and die by the cost. We know Valve won't be subsidising Steam Machine. I can't see MS subsidising anything to do with Helix either.
It will be interesting to see if Helix allows for third party stores or if it's locked to MS store. Gaben will be laughing all the way to the bank if it's the former.
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MayaXG
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Shogmaster
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There definitely will be 3rd party stores since Epic already sounded off. Recently some ppl raised concerns about Steam bc MS didn't come out and spell it out.
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Rocco Schiavone
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MrAlwaysRight
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There won't even be a BC chip, it will run Microsoft store versions of your Xbox games, automatically giving you the licence if you have the Digital entitlement on your account already, otherwise sorry, not in the BC program.
Shogmaster
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There is no "BC chip" in Series X/S but it ran BC titles great. There hasn't been a "BC chip" since launch PS3 ffs...
Can you clarify this, because most Xbox fans think we're getting some kind of back-compat, so is AMD doing that for MSFT, or is that something Xbox is doing?
Guardian Monkey
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Clarify what? Helix will have different versions made by different companies just like the handhelds. The cpu/apu with Xbox back compatibility will not be sold directly to consumers but to other suppliers to put in their variations of machines.
Shogmaster
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Oh no... I smell bigger storage and unnecessary gaming LED bling for $500 more... LOL
The HW BC IP is now part of the AMD GPU IP going forward, so technically any RDNA5/6/etc GPU has Xbox HW BC, however I'm pretty sure you will only get actual Xbox BC on 1st-party Xbox devices due to licensing issues.
HeisenbergFX4
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Sooner
Member
People keep calling them hybrids, but I don't understand. Hybrid means it is two things. The Switch is a hybrid - a home console and a handheld.
This thing looks to be a PC, but with normal PC features removed, with nothing really added. It isn't two things, it's half of one thing.
PauloRoberto
Member
So, given MS software quality (im still w8ting for a fix for a botched NET 10 fix that tried to resolve a security problem), just a matter of WEEKS after this chips public availability to bypass this 'obstacle'... good lord, xbox will really nothing more than a glorified alienware :-D
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Shogmaster
Sloppy seconds
Infinite energy brick?!?
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
Xbox isn't worth it; PS6 or PC are better buys. Xbox games are on Playstation; this needs to be constantly remembered.
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
There's nothing they can do, I mean their games are on PC, what they're selling is just a bad PC with no upgrade options and the Xbox logo. The failure will be huge.
If the Series S with its cheap Game Pass didn't help them, they won't succeed now with a $1000 console.
Miyazaki’s Slave
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BC apps like the Nintendo switch has.
I still do not think this thing is shipping with a disc drive.
Hope we like our $9.99 "Classics- gamepass" options!!
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Unfortunatecookie
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Perhaps upgradeability is the secret sauce of Helix boxes? More RAM, more I/O, more cooling etc.
Is it a smart move? I don't think so. Upgradeable performance parts, for a console, creates fragmentation which creates confusion; a terrible position to be in for a company trying to sell an entirely new type of console/hybrid thing. But I can see Xbox — a frequent mistake maker — backing yet another short-sighted idea for their console business.
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Mr Reasonable
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Basically the entire thread.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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Was 6 afraid of 7 because 7 8 9 ? Good lord, Xbox sucks.
DenchDeckard
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I believe what mainly closed the gap was the frequency both parties went with. Ms slowed down the GPU far too much and Sony ran it at a higher frequency.
It was basically a case of the higher frequency GPU and a better dev environment for the ps5 over anything else. To how I was explained it.
But I agree, MS went with the wrong choice for a console. They went with efficiency and noise a little too much. They should have ran the GPU at a higher clock but maybe that caused faults. Sony did the right thing but it made the launch console large and noisy with coil wine. Nothing major at all. I couldn't hear mine from the sofa I had to stand next to it.
DenchDeckard
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He didnt debunk anything tho. Everyone knows Helix is Xbox offering, but its the fact that other OEM offering the same