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Halo Campaign Evolved is Not a Remake
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StueyDuck
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Today in youtube... Influencer is dumb
Of course they would reuse assets, how do you remake something without the assets to remake. Does this chop think 1000 interns are gonna sit and eyeball every model from scratch
Hideous Snake
Gold Member
Reusing assets is still considered a remake btw. I'm sure he would be happy if it was called a reboot or "reimagining"
Radical_3d
Member
A YouTuber has an opinion: the perfect excuse to make a thread.
Jesus fucking Christ this video is retarded. Games are taking forever to make and budgets have ballooned, yet somehow developers finding ways to do things more efficiently is bad. What an absolute smooth-brained moron.
YouTubers aren't people. They don't deserve human rights.
YouTubers aren't people. They don't deserve human rights.
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Truthtellers
Member
Yes it is,
Liopleurodon
Member
No remake, no buy.
Witchilich
Member
The Resident Evil comparison is weird. If they made the remake from ground up like Resident Evil 2 Remake by being faithful to the original and then reused those assets for remakes of later Bungie Halo games, no one will complain. But they are reusing assets from 343i games like Halo Infinite. Even the main menu UI is from Halo Infinite. It does not make sense canonically.
He actually makes a lot of good points. Like from lore perspective pure form Halo from Halo 3 should not exist in Halo CE. They used the inferior elite sword swing animation from Halo Reach instead of the superior one from Halo CE. The lines of Sergeant Johnson are not as good the Bungie games. The prophets don't look as majestic like before they had gold crowns and priestly robes. The levels in Halo CE were not designed around sprint. Cortana looks shit. The elite grenade throw animation is inferior to the original Bungie one.
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I don't think you watched the video. He's saying they reuse assets from later games which don't make sense canonically according to the timeline of the game.
StueyDuck
Member
Im not gonna give that loser any views.
If thats the context then thats even more sad take to have.
Its halo, the story is stupid, we wanna be buff space marines shooting the aliens, no normal people are upset by this.
FUBARx89
Member
I don't know how people still struggle with this.
Remasters - A resolution/frame rate bump at the very least. New shiny graphics on top of the pre existing game, maybe a few QOL improvements.
Remake - Rebuilt from the ground up with a new engine and systems. Shiny new graphics. Most likely changes to the story.
Halo CE is a remaster.
Also. Loads of games reuse assets. Look at RGGS. The asset reusing kings. Doesn't have any bearing on if a game it a new game or a remake using assets.
Remasters - A resolution/frame rate bump at the very least. New shiny graphics on top of the pre existing game, maybe a few QOL improvements.
Remake - Rebuilt from the ground up with a new engine and systems. Shiny new graphics. Most likely changes to the story.
Halo CE is a remaster.
Also. Loads of games reuse assets. Look at RGGS. The asset reusing kings. Doesn't have any bearing on if a game it a new game or a remake using assets.
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We? Normal people? Threads and people like this are very common, we got a thread every month for 5 years after the games release. There are some really anal purists out there but even so he's saying the game looks decent in this vid. Not sure why you're calling the guy a loser.
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Witchilich
Member
Who is the normal people here? Because as someone who bought Limited Edition of Halo 2, 3, Reach and even 4, I sure as hell am not.
StueyDuck
Member
The man's a grown adult crying about the space man game on youtube, hes no different to that guy who cried watching that rise of Skywalker trailer, or that babyfaceboy or whatever his name was screaming at starfield
We? Normal people? Threads and people like this are very common, we got a thread every month for 5 years after the games release. There are some really anal purists out there but even so he's saying the game looks decent in this vid. Not sure why you're calling the guy a loser.
Id bet most on gaf dont really care about the story/lore of the entire halo franchise. Some grugnak the white ogre monkey is the big bad now from some rts game no one really played and a bunch of random comics no ones heard of.Who is the normal people here? Because as someone who bought Limited Edition of Halo 2, 3, Reach and even 4, I sure as hell am not.
If the story/plot of the original game is basically the same and they are faithfully remastering the game then I dont see 99% of people caring.
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diffusionx
Gold Member
No, the lore is a big reason why the game had so many fans.
Halo fans care about this stuff, 343 never did, it's one reason out of 3746363920 they sucked so bad.
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To see that no matter how much we disagree and attack each other, there's still universal, retarded takes we can ALL point and laught at.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Asha's balls in my throat?
IFireflyl
Gold Member
I only play the Halo campaigns. I don't know if you're aware of this, but Halo actually had a bunch of awesome books that were written as well. The lore is really deep. Despite the bungling by 343 Industries from Halo 4 onward, Halo lore is awesome.
Witchilich
Member
The original Bungie lore is awesome
The 343i bizzaro verse is not. This is why I love Destiny lore. 343i has yet to wow us with a lore reveal like Bungie Halo and Destiny did.
kevboard
Member
it is a remake. the game logic runs on the Halo Reach version of the Blam engine, not on the original Halo 1 blam engine. and it seems to not reuse Halo 1 code but instead is a weird Frankenstein amalgamation of Halo Reach enemy behaviour, Halo 3 guns, and UE5 visuals.
it's just a really shitty remake
it's just a really shitty remake
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diffusionx
Gold Member
This gets into the broader discussion of how you will never make everyone happy. You can just make more or less a totally different game (RE2), people will complain. You can keep the gameplay exactly the same, people will complain (DS). You can take the old game and carefully introduce modern features and mechanics (RE4), people will complain.
I will side with the purists here because of the importance of lore and stuff, and 343 has a long history of just not giving a shit about the stuff the fans care about, but no matter what they did, people will complain.
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Gamer_By_Proxy
About to beat off
I hear that Q and A went horribly. No photo mode. Not really a 3rd person mode. Lacking other things I can't remember. It was another one of those "coming out to tell you what's not in the game" chats Xbox devs tend to do.
kevboard
Member
I mean Halo is basically split in 2, so there is indeed no winning.
however I feel more important would be getting the IP back on track instead of making everyone happy.
and the last time the IP was not derailed in some way was during the original trilogy... so that should serve as the inspiration, as there was objectively a bigger fanbase there than with what came after
and it clearly isn't inspired by the original trilogy imo
clarky
Gold Member
I understand what you are saying but i don't think Halos fan base exists anymore not at size anyway and gameplay and shooters have moved on, for better or worse.
FWIW this looks like a complete miss for me, as a fan of the original.
I would have preferred a complete reimagining rather than this half in half out approach they seem to be going for.