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S0ULZB0URNE
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S0ULZB0URNE
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2026 VE TV Shootout results for those who need to know.
MidgarBlowedUp
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I have a freshly purchased Bravia 9 and it's a dream to look at and play games on. I get more flexibility than most OLED displays, fantastic color accuracy, no burn in worries or dimming over time. I get wonderful HDR performance and fantastic reflection handling. I'm not a competitive gamer or a true purist so i don't mind the small amount of lag. Motion isn't as nice as my Sony GDM-FW900 but I'm happy with the performance i get out of it. One of my friends saw it and thought it was an oled.
kevboard
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2026 VE TV Shootout results for those who need to know.
so, how well regarded are these tests by value electronics? they seemingly use directors, movie editors and TV technicians and stuff as judges apparently...
but it seems kinda crazy just how dominant that S95H is, like damn...
S0ULZB0URNE
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For big screen my choice is still Sony's LED based sets.
I am eyeing the B9 ii or the B7 ii.
The B9 ii surprisingly has good input lag.
kevboard
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For big screen my choice is still Sony's LED based sets.
I am eyeing the B9 ii or the B7 ii.
The B9 ii surprisingly has good input lag.
Sony arrived in the year 2020 in terms of input lag I see. not bad.
S0ULZB0URNE
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I screen shotted it when it was free for basic reference
For TV's? No it's lower than most(not all) TV's then and now.
It's the best input lag for FALD from them since the 900H and it beats that which had good input lag at the time.
Swolebro_Thickdude
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had an oled tv since 2017.
any1 have an oled monitor? heard text looks funny on them
any1 have an oled monitor? heard text looks funny on them
kevboard
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my Samsung from 5 years ago has lower input lag (9.9ms, while the same year the Sony A95K had 15.8ms lag)
Samsung has been below 10ms for ages, and LG has been at around 10ms for about as long too.
Sony has been at 15ms for the last couple of years, and 5 or 6 years ago was often still at around 20ms, which is on the level of a typical Samsung's lag from around 2015.
like the AG9 from 2020, which had 21ms of lag, which is 1ms more than the Samsung I had in around 2016.
Sony is known for bad input lag compared to other top end TV manufacturers.
and generally for bad gaming features.
they still don't support 1440p unless you force it on a PC afaik. meaning if you have a Switch 2 you literally can't fully utilise the system's output capabilities (4k60hz + 1440p 120hz).
they also still don't support freesync I think, but that's honestly not that important anymore, but was an issue in the past.
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S0ULZB0URNE
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Which Samsung from 5 years ago?
Ages? the current fastest is 9.2ms
I've Tested Hundreds of TVs. This Samsung OLED Is the Fastest for Gaming
If you care about split-second reactions, Samsung’s S95H earns the PCMag Lab Award for the lowest input lag ever measured in our testing.
Sony has not been at 15ms with FALD/mini LED tv's the last few years that's incorrect.
900H in 2020 was the last.
Regardless my statement still stands the B9 ii has lower input lag than most TV's cause it does.
The past is the past...this B9 ii has great input lag numbers for a TV.
Meicyn
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Sorry man, I'm a Bravia 9 owner and you're flat out incorrect. Input lag is different depending on whether you're in 120Hz or 60Hz mode. For the Bravia 9, it's around 9ms in 120Hz, 18ms in 60Hz. For the S95H, it's 4.6ms in 120Hz, 9.2ms in 60Hz. The Bravia 9 Mk2 uses the same Mediatek Pentonic 1000 chip so input lag is close to identical to the original Bravia 9. The Samsung S95H has basically half of Sony's best input lag. Functionally it's a difference of half a frame when you are running 120 frames per second which is indistinguishable to the average person, but the facts are what they are. I chose miniLED over OLED for several reasons, but OLED has a lead in this department.Which Samsung from 5 years ago?
Ages? the current fastest is 9.2ms
I've Tested Hundreds of TVs. This Samsung OLED Is the Fastest for Gaming
If you care about split-second reactions, Samsung’s S95H earns the PCMag Lab Award for the lowest input lag ever measured in our testing.www.pcmag.com
Sony has not been at 15ms with FALD/mini LED tv's the last few years that's incorrect.
900H in 2020 was the last.
S0ULZB0URNE
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I'm sorry man I'm trusting rtings findings over you.
Meicyn
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They're not my measurements. Caleb Denison measured 17ms in 60Hz, 9ms in 120Hz. rtings measured 11.9ms in 60Hz, 6.9ms in 120Hz. It's possible Caleb's are wrong, and that's fine if he is. It's also possible rtings may have also gotten it wrong. We're all prone to mistakes, myself included as I misremembered the 60Hz measurement as 18ms when it's 17ms.
Regardless, you grabbed the 60Hz measurement for the S95H on the PCMag website you referenced and compared it to the 120Hz measurement for the Bravia 9 Mk2. Go double check it for yourself, it's your own source. The S95H's input lag in 120Hz is 4.6ms. I agree in that the criticism over input lag on Sony is overblown (we're literally talking half a frame of difference when displaying 120 frames per second), but we need to compare apples to apples.
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They're not my measurements. Caleb Denison measured 17ms in 60Hz, 9ms in 120Hz. rtings measured 11.9ms in 60Hz, 6.9ms in 120Hz. It's possible Caleb's are wrong, and that's fine if he is. It's also possible rtings may have also gotten it wrong. We're all prone to mistakes, myself included as I misremembered the 60Hz measurement as 18ms when it's 17ms.
Regardless, you grabbed the 60Hz measurement for the S95H on the PCMag website you referenced and compared it to the 120Hz measurement for the Bravia 9 Mk2. Go double check it for yourself, it's your own source. The S95H's input lag in 120Hz is 4.6ms. I agree in that the criticism over input lag on Sony is overblown (we're literally talking half a frame of difference when displaying 120 frames per second), but we need to compare apples to apples.
dude it doesnt fuckin matter 9ms is 0.009 of single second, 16msvis 0.016 of single second. there isnt human on planet who will know the difference. as long as it is not something like 0.200 its fine because thats usually the line where people feel lag
just for comparison people playing consoles at 30fps have 0.033ms and even that is not usually perceptible by most of people.
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dgrdsv
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I would agree if there would be a single 4K QD-OLED without the bloody useless glossy coating.
S0ULZB0URNE
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I posted the PCMAG for reference in the discussion as the Samsung won best TV and has the lowest input lag.They're not my measurements. Caleb Denison measured 17ms in 60Hz, 9ms in 120Hz. rtings measured 11.9ms in 60Hz, 6.9ms in 120Hz. It's possible Caleb's are wrong, and that's fine if he is. It's also possible rtings may have also gotten it wrong. We're all prone to mistakes, myself included as I misremembered the 60Hz measurement as 18ms when it's 17ms.
Regardless, you grabbed the 60Hz measurement for the S95H on the PCMag website you referenced and compared it to the 120Hz measurement for the Bravia 9 Mk2. Go double check it for yourself, it's your own source. The S95H's input lag in 120Hz is 4.6ms. I agree in that the criticism over input lag on Sony is overblown (we're literally talking half a frame of difference when displaying 120 frames per second), but we need to compare apples to apples.
Vincent over Rtings over Caleb.
Caleb normally doesn't do input lag tests either.
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Meicyn
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I know you posted the PCMag reference because I proceeded to read it, which is why I noticed you were using the wrong data point in your post. Your personal preference on TV reviewers or how often Caleb does or doesn't do input latency tests is irrelevant. All you're doing right now is talking around the core reason why I responded to you in the first place: you were factually wrong about two things. Firstly, you used a 60Hz input lag number for the Samsung and compared it to the 120Hz input lag number for the Sony. That was you comparing apples to oranges. Secondly, you said Sony hasn't been around 15ms (60Hz) since 2020 with the 900H. This is also false, the Bravia 9 released in 2024 and is at 18ms (60Hz). It's WORSE than the 900H with input lag. Marginal, but worse.
It's okay to get stuff wrong. I was man enough to admit in my previous post that I misremembered one of the figures. Wasn't the first time I got something wrong, and it certainly won't be my last. Is it really that hard for you to accept that you made a mistake as well?
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Come On Tars
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I find for living room tv's for a budgets of 1500 to 2k you can go massive and bright as hell with LED. Which for watching sports and stuff it is superior.For big screen my choice is still Sony's LED based sets.
I am eyeing the B9 ii or the B7 ii.
The B9 ii surprisingly has good input lag.
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Celcius
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Any pictures of your setup? I bet 83" is amazing
S0ULZB0URNE
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I didn't compare the Sony and Samsung at all
Rtings showed your claim to be wrong so you run to Caleb
"Secondly, you said Sony hasn't been around 15ms (60Hz) since 2020 with the 900H. This is also false, the Bravia 9 released in 2024 and is at 18ms (60Hz). It's WORSE than the 900H with input lag."
Exactly what I said they haven't been that low with FALD since 2020.
What are we doing?Are you reading what I am saying and what you are quoting?
English not your 1st language?
dotnotbot
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S95H is great, some people over avsforum who were previously disappointed by Samsung OLEDs also say that.
Samsung improved or fixed most issues last year sets had:
- odd 24p stuttering is gone
- factory calibration in general is better, especially game mode which was previously way off, no more "color bug" F series had in HDR
- best, cleanest near black handling of all OLEDs available thanks to QD-OLED panel, no issues with dark red saturation like LG G5/G6 and some older QD-OLED TVs had
- best in class gradation handling
- improved tonemapping retains more details in specular highlights, not as good as Sony but no longer way behind
- no off-axis tinting WOLED still suffers from
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Sleepwalker
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Pretty sure the new Samsung qd oleds come with matte coating now.
Sleepwalker
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Anyway
I have a 55" inch Samsung A80J purely for watching Shows/Movies in the bedroom
A 83" Samsung S85D Woled (absolute bargain, got it under 2k) in the living room
And in my basement I have a QD OLED S95B that recently died due to a voltage issue in my house, pretty sure the power supply got fried.
I'm thinking of purchasing a 65" inch S90F as this is one of the last glossy QD OLEDs, since Samsung is moving away from them. The other option is a C5 for the same price.
But this TV will be 85% used for gaming and sports and only the rest for occasional movies and shows so I think Samsung got LG beat.
The other option was a G3 open box from Best Buy for a little more, but I'm afraid it's a floor unit with hundreds or thousands of hours in it and I have no way to verify before buying.
I have a 55" inch Samsung A80J purely for watching Shows/Movies in the bedroom
A 83" Samsung S85D Woled (absolute bargain, got it under 2k) in the living room
And in my basement I have a QD OLED S95B that recently died due to a voltage issue in my house, pretty sure the power supply got fried.
I'm thinking of purchasing a 65" inch S90F as this is one of the last glossy QD OLEDs, since Samsung is moving away from them. The other option is a C5 for the same price.
But this TV will be 85% used for gaming and sports and only the rest for occasional movies and shows so I think Samsung got LG beat.
The other option was a G3 open box from Best Buy for a little more, but I'm afraid it's a floor unit with hundreds or thousands of hours in it and I have no way to verify before buying.
kevboard
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does anyone know if the EU models of the Samsung S95H have difference per size?
sadly finding infos on stuff like this is extremely hard, but the LG G6 for example only has a 2x tandem OLED in the 48" model, while using a 4x tandem OLED for the larger sizes.
so I wonder if the S95H has a difference for the 48" size.
I currently have a 55" Samsung, but the size is honestly slightly too large, but I also don't want a downgraded panel if the 48" has one.
so if the 55" does have a better panel I'd probably prefer that one despite the size
edit: so apparently the S95H 48" uses an LG 2x tandem WOLED just like the 48" LG G6...
dude, what is it with that screen size and the downgrades
and then the larger S95H models use the One Connect Box, which I wanted to avoid... but only in the European models, while the US models don't have the One Connect Box, but look awful with a shitty silver border.
What's so hard in making the same model have the same specs?
that honestly should be borderline illegal.
they should be forced to change the model name if the specs differ, like call the 48" model the S94H instead of S95H or something
sadly finding infos on stuff like this is extremely hard, but the LG G6 for example only has a 2x tandem OLED in the 48" model, while using a 4x tandem OLED for the larger sizes.
so I wonder if the S95H has a difference for the 48" size.
I currently have a 55" Samsung, but the size is honestly slightly too large, but I also don't want a downgraded panel if the 48" has one.
so if the 55" does have a better panel I'd probably prefer that one despite the size
edit: so apparently the S95H 48" uses an LG 2x tandem WOLED just like the 48" LG G6...
dude, what is it with that screen size and the downgrades
and then the larger S95H models use the One Connect Box, which I wanted to avoid... but only in the European models, while the US models don't have the One Connect Box, but look awful with a shitty silver border.
What's so hard in making the same model have the same specs?
that honestly should be borderline illegal.
they should be forced to change the model name if the specs differ, like call the 48" model the S94H instead of S95H or something
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Meicyn
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Nice setup. If you don't mind, is the second subwoofer making a significant impact? I've read the occasional opinion on them online but would be interested in hearing your perspective. Your layout looks similar to my own, right down to a pet's bed adjacent to the right speaker. I have a 12" sub from Polk Audio which does a solid job, just interested in your take. Thanks in advance.
archvile7
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Thanks man! Honestly, I couldn't tell you how much of a difference one sub makes vs two, I got 2 from the get-go, mostly because 1) I love heavy bass, in all forms of media... music, movies, games, and let me tell you, with this thing cranked up, it shakes the freaking house. Playing Doom Dark Ages, just running around vibrates the couch a bit, and the super shotgun firing will shake the room. It is pretty awesome. And 2) I like things being symmetric, just a weird quirk, so this way satisfies that (plus, the receiver had 2 subwoofer jacks, so I figured might as well use them both)
When I upgraded to the C5, I also got a new Denon receiver (AVR-X2900H), which pushes a lot harder than my old Denon, so it has taken some time to tune everything, at first the subs were bottoming out at certain frequencies. I have since fixed that and tuned the speakers with their Audyssey tuner tool, and now it hits hard AF, but doesn't bottom out.
My old Denon didn't support 120Hz, but this one does, so in games like Prime 4 I can enable that, and damn does it look good. The weird thing is, the receiver shows it running at 120Hz at 1440p, where I thought the Prime 4 120Hz mode was limited to 1080p, unless it is reading what the Switch is sending before it is downscaled, I don't know. Either way, it looks and sounds amazing, and if your receiver supports 2 subs, it wouldn't hurt to try adding one, if it doesn't add much to the experience then I suppose you could always return it.
Meicyn
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Appreciate the feedback! I have the Denon X3800H, and yeah, Audyssey is game-changing good. I ended up buying the Audyssey MultEQ app on iOS to allow for finer tuning and it was worth every penny IMO. It lets you disable midrange compensation that's on by default (five of my speakers didn't need it), edit curves, set specific frequency ranges for Audyssey corrections to apply or be disabled if desired, and so forth. Ended up using it to help tune my buddy's speaker setup too.
S0ULZB0URNE
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archvile7
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I wish I could put one of them behind the seating area, but my couch is against the back wall of the room and there isn't really any space laterally because of side tables.
I have no complaints of how it sounds as is.
S0ULZB0URNE
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Maybe to the side of the seating area and put the front sub diagonally across from it?