Minister of the Dog
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Everybody acknowleges the fact that they were lucky to have access to guns, but not how unlucky they were that the criminals also had access to guns.
I'm glad nobody got hurt, besides the criminals.
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2 Men Use Girl as Human Shield, Father Guns Them Down
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Everybody acknowleges the fact that they were lucky to have access to guns, but not how unlucky they were that the criminals also had access to guns.
I'm glad nobody got hurt, besides the criminals.
harriet the spy
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If only it was so exciting! I was lied to. Instead of that I got strip malls
Not to say that americans' opinions of europeans is much more informed anyway.
I don't think that this is true at all. At least not for me. It's quite the opposite. What most Europeans don't like are the guns and the way you handle Foreign policy.
100% this. I can't believe no one seems to realize this fact.
You should have jumped into a tree and called the police and waited for them to arrive...clearly.
In the case of the Times Square Shooting, the unarmed man was charged with the damage the cops did by shooting bystanders:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/05/nyregion/unarmed-man-is-charged-with-wounding-bystanders-shot-by-police-near-times-square.html
Mammoth Jones
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Holding the aggressors of such a crime responsible for subsequent deaths given the situation *is* justice.
A homicide that would NOT have occurred if the accomplice hadn't helped in the burglary in the first place. I'm not a lawyer. Someone with more legal understanding please feel free to chime in here but doesn't the accomplice have a legal obligation to alert authorities that the other is planning such an attack and the fact that they don't and participates is what makes them responsible for their partners homicide? Please help me here, lol.
Gotta put something in that broken window to cover the hole...
In all seriousness, stahp.
DoktorEvil
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If only it was so exciting! I was lied to. Instead of that I got strip malls
Not to say that americans' opinions of europeans is much more informed anyway.
Not as informed but so much more hilarious.
Like how most Americans think Brits live posh, comfortable lives whilst sipping tea and eating scones.
We're a country that has forward military bases in a good chunk of the countries around the world...
It could be a lot worse. We could be universally hated like North Korea.
But it is the responsble thing to do apparently.
As is missing and firing through your neighbor's house (luckily you missed hitting them)
The father assessed the situation and came to the conclusion she would die if he didn't...it sounded like a calculated risk.
ChainedMaster
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Honestly they could have easily used the girl as a human shield with a knife even if nobody had access to guns. A gun isn't necessary in this case at all.
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Sounds like they used her as a shield because they assumed (rightfully) that there were guns in the house.
won't be none. Words to live by.
Eighty Deuce
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Well I only like bacon I can eat lol
Eighty Deuce
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Just FYI nypd handguns have a mandated 10 pound trigger pull. That makes aiming really difficult.
DoktorEvil
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This is what angers me about this whole story. It could've been prevented!
There are people defending these assholes who invaded someone's home, but yet no one's pointing out how a shitty legal system let this guy slip through the cracks.
He was most likely mobbed up if he was able to shake witnesses.
What is a trigger pull?
There are people defending these assholes who invaded someone's home, but yet no one's pointing out how a shitty legal system let this guy slip through the cracks.
He was most likely mobbed up if he was able to shake witnesses.
What is a trigger pull?
Pretty sure we just found out about it a few seconds ago.
Yeah, I forgot about that. NY is also the state that had to amend their rushed through gun laws because they forgot to exempt police from the magazine size restrictions:
http://7online.com/archive/8958116/
Mammoth Jones
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Minimum pressure that can be placed on a trigger before a weapon will fire its bullet.
So glad that specific crap was shot down in a court.
jamesinclair
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Wow, scumbag parents value property over their daughters life.
0.23 yearly gun related homicides per 100,000 says "hello!" Question, would homeowners having guns be a positive factor or a negative factor to that number? Oh and, in 2012 there were 653 homicides (not just gun related; ALL homicides) in all of the UK which translates to a rate of 1.0 for the year. Last year the city of Detroit recorded 332 murders with a city population of 706,000. The UK had double that while having 63 million people living there. What is the problem you seem to be having again?
The amount of force required to pull the trigger. A light trigger pull could also be referred to as a hair trigger. The problem with a heavy pull like the NYPD is that the higher level of force required makes aiming harder as you struggle to pull the trigger and tense your hand.
Mammoth Jones
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This doesn't even make sense without doing serious mental backflips.
The criminals didn't have a gun placed to their macbook. It was placed against their daughter. With zero guarantee that they wouldn't pop their kid anyway they took the action they believed absolutely required.
I believe it's to prevent negligent discharges?
Reads to me like they took a heavy risk to protect their family and it worked out.
There's no way of knowing we would have a story of their safety if they allowed the armed men to enter their home.
Zoe
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Criminals are going to find access to guns.
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Elor_Nocudee
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I'm glad that they defended their family & home, glad the daughter was unharmed & i have no sympathy for the criminals whatsoever. one less dirt bag in this world & his accomplice is being charged for his death, great ending to a terrifying story.
MidgarBlowedUp
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Look guys, we can argue semantics until we are blue in the face, but let's not ignore the true lesson of this story.
Women can't aim for shit.
Women can't aim for shit.
That's the theory, but anecdotal evidence may show it increases collateral damage. It is also 12 pounds and not 10 like stated above. Stock pull is 5.5 lbs:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/08/foghorn/nypds-choice-of-firearm-may-have-contributed-to-the-terrible-shooting/
Mammoth Jones
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BronsonLee
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I'm not sure you understand what scumbag means...
jakonovski
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Minister of the Dog
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Or a cutter. Or a broken bottle. Or keeping her in a chokehold.
Still, the only weapon they could use to kill the girl and the rest of her family without even taking one step from where they stand is a gun.
Just because there exist other weapons does not mean it should be made easier for criminals to have access to more dangerous ones.
Nope. Barely any gun homicides in Europe compared to the USA. See a previous post with data from the UK and Detroit.
Man, with the amount of guns being pointed at that girl I wonder what might have been going through her head.
A zero incident(aside from the tragic loss of an armed criminal) story is great but it seems more than just a story about 'family fights off armed criminals and save their daughter' its more like 'familys packing heat and stare down a pack of ravenous criminals but with the mircale of modern weaponry and -I told you so- at their side they defeat the foes with guns blazing and save their daughter'... or at least the NRA will headline that bombastic story.
The father sounds like he only cares about the life of his daughter though, he didn't make any grand statements from what I read.
A zero incident(aside from the tragic loss of an armed criminal) story is great but it seems more than just a story about 'family fights off armed criminals and save their daughter' its more like 'familys packing heat and stare down a pack of ravenous criminals but with the mircale of modern weaponry and -I told you so- at their side they defeat the foes with guns blazing and save their daughter'... or at least the NRA will headline that bombastic story.
The father sounds like he only cares about the life of his daughter though, he didn't make any grand statements from what I read.
I think you guys over there just like shooting guns, not much else to say, you can see that they're extremely dangerous, that kids are getting access to them, vigilantes are straight up headshotting people left right and center. I think you don't do anything about it cause you know, westerns and shit.
Zoe
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The boat has already sailed on that in the US.
Common sense? If someone wants a gun bad enough there are ways to get one, maybe easier in certain places, but if a criminal wants a gun he can get one.
Minister of the Dog
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According to your statement, gun related crime should be approximately equal among other nations equiparable with the USA, right? Which doesn't seem to be the case:
Daniel W. Webster et al.; Johns Hopkins center for gun policy and Research. Link.
*Any difference with the linked text is due to me having to transcribe the paragraph, as I couldn't copy & paste it.
Maybe criminals in other countries don't want more convenient and deadly weapons with which to commit their crimes.
jakonovski
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I don't know if that's common sense, but you are dead wrong all the same. As proven by statistics that show the disparity in gun crime between US and Europe.
Minister of the Dog
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Then why isn't gun-related crime comparable with other high-income nations.
jakonovski
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Yeah, but that's meaningless like that. It may be possible, but if that's not how it works in real life why are pushing it?
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