This wouldn't be secret sauce regardless of if it were true or not. The Bone will be using a low level API either way.
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Anandtech: AMD's Mantle PC API is the same as the Xbox One low level API
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This wouldn't be secret sauce regardless of if it were true or not. The Bone will be using a low level API either way.
TechnicPuppet
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Xbox One has mantle and Direct X though does it not? It should still make things a bit easier no?
What is the point of it, if it doesn't do anything.
cyberheater
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So just speculation at this point.
It allows AMD to market their cards since they are losing the tech battle with Nvidia.
Yep, no informations or confirmations.
Only speculation and "guesses".
you know that, I know that, everyone with technical knowledge on the subject knows it, but just wait, it's coming....
ConteZero76
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Sony is less interested in console->PC porting.
cyberheater
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That sounds familiar. Most of the 'power' threads about Xbox One has the same.
AdmiralPain
Banned
But will Nvidia pick up the mantle?
sorry
TechnicPuppet
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There was a Mantle thread earlier and it seemed to be very positive, like it was a good thing, so now it's just marketing?
cyberheater
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I'm hoping that PC will be the lead platform from here on in.
& this just made things more expensive and complicated for multiplats. Amd's market share is around 30% and I get that they need a hail mary, but having devs split the PC code for amd/non-amd cards...well I guess if you are really into frostbite3 games.
It does hint at some interesting politics behind the scenes though, can't wait for the story to come out.
It does hint at some interesting politics behind the scenes though, can't wait for the story to come out.
Valid question regardless, let's just hope they don't start making something similar which only works for them, split the community even more.
Shame they couldn't force MS to turn Directx into this.
velociraptor
Junior Member
That doesn't make any sense.
PC versions won't be any less or anymore likely. Any PC game released will still work with DirectX as usual. It CAN mean that what ever games do come from Xbox One are more likely to be Mantle compatible and perform better on AMD hardware.
It's not just marketing, but getting at a real understanding of things will be harder because of marketing. And making PC devs use 2 sets of APIs is going to do nothing to make things cheaper for them.
Phil Harrison even continued with the "powah of the cloud" talk.... a few minutes ago:
Horrible
but if true (and i dont think it is) this would put pc (and directly xb1) as lead platforms
PC version was already gonna be the lead platform.
TechnicPuppet
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What does that have to do with this topic?
ah, but AMD pcs or Nividia pcs?
Maybe I didn't word my post correctly. I mean Mantle is a low-level API for PC. in order to achieve great market penetration it needs to be compatible with DirectX "Windows", therefore similarities to X1 low level API is expected since X1 API is derived from DirectX already.
by doing that AMD can achieve similar console low access for PC + easier porting between platforms.
It's an example of how marketing obfuscates things.
Terbinator
Member
But such a thing has always been possible (AFAIK). The only reason it has come to light now is that AMD have their fingers in the necessary pies and all the pies are based on the same (GCN) filling.
Only for the tiny percentage of the PC market that will have AMD 7000+ series gfx cards.
Salvor.Hardin
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Could you explain why it's saucy? Not sure I understand the importance of this 'revelation' if it's true.
He said something (Cloud, etc.) and I replied to his post.
Back on Topic:
Digital Foundry - Mantle appears to have much in common with the GNM API used in PS4
AMD hasn't lost any "tech" battle, GCN is competitive with Kepler. Mantle is AMD leveraging their console contracts into the PC realm. IF they can get the low level optimizations made on the PS4 and X1 onto the PC, they hope that they can use this to beat Nvidia on benchmarks and performance. I wouldn't be surprised if MS uses Mantle as a starting point for DirectX 12 and tries to cutdown on DirectX overhead.
Microsoft is way more focused on OS development. Changing on DirectX landscape was not important to them as long every GPU vendor supports it, and now they found themselves in situation that AMD holds 100% of hardware in two nextgen consoles and have vision of unified PC hardware for the future.
Add to that developers who are not satisfied with slow PC DirectX... and Mantle is born.
TechnicPuppet
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Haven't you said many, many times that DF talk nonsense?
MaulerX
Member
Depends who you ask, heh. I think most folks are just curious to see what it actually ends up bringing to the table, though I'd imagine nVidia fans will prefer it to ultimately end up irrelevant.
As to how all the news fits into place, there's just way too much dust being kicked into the air to get a clear picture. MS could be perfectly cool with Mantle as an additional API for Windows to help market games on the PC. On the flip side, they could be opposed if SteamOS heavily leverages Mantle and Steambox ends up taking off thanks in part to something like that. Or some other combination of factors.
Main point is, there's a ton of questions in the air with these developments. How everything will actually play out has to remain to be seen, really.
Not in itself, no. It would just make porting an Xbone game to Mantle on the PC easier, but devs would still have to work out a DirectX version as well for full PC support. What this does mean, in part, is that PC gamers with AMD hardware can looks forward to possibly better optimized software for their systems.
"Lead platform" will still mostly be up to the individual developers.
TechnicPuppet
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How does posting a link to a different topic put a discussion back on topic?
Because my post (DF) was me being sarcastic.
Got it? It has nothing to with me believing DF is right here.
PM me, if you have more questions.
Will help you asap!
Laughing_Man__
Neo Member
I think it could mean both systems have the Mantle API.
It's the same topic, think about it.
Nightengale
Member
The elephant in the room is 'will Mantle support Linux?'
Because I cannot fathom either console company doing this if Mantle is going to be supported by Linux/Steambox, unless this is all an AMD's Montreal Screwjob of copying as much of both console's API for their own.
Because I cannot fathom either console company doing this if Mantle is going to be supported by Linux/Steambox, unless this is all an AMD's Montreal Screwjob of copying as much of both console's API for their own.
Brad Grenz
Member
Nope, just that Anandtech is being dumb.
TechnicPuppet
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Let's hope so.
Nobody could force MS to significantly change DirectX....