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Battle for Mosul has begun. 1 million civilians trapped inside the city ruled by ISIS
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Like naming a tank Cupcake.
A suicide attack in war... Isn't that just dying?
FreedomFighter
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Probs the same reason they made a "mistake" in Dier Ez-zor - one of the only SAA outposts in eastern Syria. They probably purposely left them an escape route that way. I don't think they care if they go toward Syria, just so long as they get out of Iraq. Also, word on the street is SAA, Russian, and Iranian militias have a surprise for ISIS baddies once they cross into Syria anyways.
Mosul has way more civilians than east Aleppo. So we'll see how this turns out. Hope we can keep civilian casualties to a minimum. I'm really looking forward to seeing ISIS high tail it out of there.
TacticalHotdog
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CNN's Nick Paton Walsh's report from a couple days ago gets pretty intense near the end. Really shows how some ISIS fighters will fight to the death
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCRt16IJ9qM
Warning: the video shows a suicide bomber detonating his belt and you basically see him gib
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCRt16IJ9qM
Warning: the video shows a suicide bomber detonating his belt and you basically see him gib
RustyNails
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Iraqi army moves into the village of Al Hud just outside Mosul and finds corpses of ISIS fighters mutilated lying on the streets. The people inside rose up and killed the militants themselves
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/00f6...r-bombs-mortars-slow-down-iraqi-advance-mosul
It's the same as kamikaze dive bombers from Japan's Imperial army in WW2.
Whom_Gods_Annoy
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Incredibly brave, good job fighting this scum.
PepsimanVsJoe
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Good.
Pai Pai Master
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Whoah. I hope the townspeople didn't suffer too many losses.
water_wendi
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Very courageous. Salute to the people of Al Hud.
TacticalHotdog
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A US Serviceman was killed by an IED
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-usa-casualty-idUSKCN12K2AB
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-usa-casualty-idUSKCN12K2AB
Frustrated_me
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ISIS use human shields when they retreat away from a location. The US objective is not to kill ISIS as they retreat away from Mosul, it's to corridor ISIS into Assad/Putin territory and ensure US interests are met; weaken Assad.
ISIS have simply been a tool used by every territorial power in Syria and Iraq.
Well, if Coalition army won't bomb them, i can see Russia don't give a fcuk and keep bombing them lol. As they are damn savage and seems to give a zero care about human shield here.
Captain Smoker
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ISIS started a surprise attack on Kirkuk this morning.
more: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/21/middleeast/iraq-kirkuk-attacks/index.html
eot
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That is a gib alright
superdeluxe
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Seems like an active Issue right now.
LucidMomentum
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Vilix
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Some were children, hmm? Nothing that ISIS does shocks me anymore.
Clockwork5
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It won't.
When Saudi Arabia runs out of money... never.
Looks like an ANP F-250 converted into a suicide bomb vehicle. Pretty surreal. Slat armor too, ISIS learning some lessons.
If the oil price stays this low much longer, it won't be long though.
Dubbedinenglish
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Keeping the stock rearview mirrors s a nice touch lol
Golden_Pigeon
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Saudi Arabia is not funding ISIS, please get your facts right.
ISIS consider the Saudi Dynasty to be hypocrites and call for their executions.
You have nonetheless private capital in Arabia who send them money but to believe that they exist because of that is just false.
I invite you to read the excellent book "ISIS apocalypse" who give a good background of the group.
Oh please, even Hillary Clinton admitted, as stated in her leaked E-mails, that the Saudis alongside the Qataris are funding ISIS to expand their influence in the Sunni world and to curb Iranian influence.
Al Qaeda also considers the KSA regime an enemy, but at the end of the day AQ and the Saudis are fighting side by side in Yemen against the Houthis.
KSA and ISIS/AQ dealing in the background is an open secret by now.
Golden_Pigeon
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I am beyond believing everything
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And even if it was true, it's just Hillary Clinton opinion. Almost all experts on ISIS history and funding say that they are not founded by Saudi Gov, and that the MAIN source of funding come from taxes and oil revenues.
And Al Qaida and ISIS are two very distinct group right now, and in open conflict, the last issue of Rumiyya (isis propaganda) was speaking extensively about how AQ are apostates, so mixing the Yemeni situation don't really add something to the discussion.
ginger ninja
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It's pretty easy to throw up your hands in the air and just say "Well fucking Saudi and other gulf countries are supporting ISIS" but the situation is a lot more complicated than that.
There's two types of support gulf countries are providing to Syria and/or other Sunni militant groups.
First being state level support, which in this case is going to more "relatively moderate" groups, i.e FSA, Anti-Isis Jihadi groups. This falls under the standard proxy warfare that has been going on since the soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Saudi funds the kind of groups that aligns with its sunni interests and groups that could be used as a bulwark against Iranian proxies. Saudi won't feed the hand that would immediately bite it(ISIS) and one of ISIS's core propaganda is how heretical the dynasties of the Gulf are. ISIS has been actively trying to attacks Saudi installations.
Now there is a second level of support, which comes from citizens and the clergy. This mainly involves ideological support and money raised through religious charity donations that goes to a number of groups, including ISIS.
Saudi government knows about this. Do they encourage this ? I couldn't say but they definitely deflect the criticism of this terror funding network by calling it a interference in internal affairs. But really what it is that government is too dependent on clerical support to ever clamp down hard on this phenomenon. This happens not just in Syria but also other countries, prime example being Pakistan, where the Saudis have been accused for decades of allowing funding to flow to groups that are involved in mass shia killings.
So there, it's not as simple as Herp Derp Saudi Arabia. There's legit like 10 different forces involved in Iraq/Syria right now and it's a literal game of thrones.
There's two types of support gulf countries are providing to Syria and/or other Sunni militant groups.
First being state level support, which in this case is going to more "relatively moderate" groups, i.e FSA, Anti-Isis Jihadi groups. This falls under the standard proxy warfare that has been going on since the soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Saudi funds the kind of groups that aligns with its sunni interests and groups that could be used as a bulwark against Iranian proxies. Saudi won't feed the hand that would immediately bite it(ISIS) and one of ISIS's core propaganda is how heretical the dynasties of the Gulf are. ISIS has been actively trying to attacks Saudi installations.
Now there is a second level of support, which comes from citizens and the clergy. This mainly involves ideological support and money raised through religious charity donations that goes to a number of groups, including ISIS.
Saudi government knows about this. Do they encourage this ? I couldn't say but they definitely deflect the criticism of this terror funding network by calling it a interference in internal affairs. But really what it is that government is too dependent on clerical support to ever clamp down hard on this phenomenon. This happens not just in Syria but also other countries, prime example being Pakistan, where the Saudis have been accused for decades of allowing funding to flow to groups that are involved in mass shia killings.
So there, it's not as simple as Herp Derp Saudi Arabia. There's legit like 10 different forces involved in Iraq/Syria right now and it's a literal game of thrones.
Golden_Pigeon
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An important factor also is the fact that Saudi king and his officials clerics have negated that there was actually a jihad in Syria.
They are also trying to fund the less ideological groups out there because they know that "jihadi-salafism" is REALLY anti-saud these days, and they fear the backfire.
But yes, you have certainly the support of some elements of the saudi nobility and the extreme clerical classes. They do killed a ton of people who were accused to fund ISIS, but since it's Saudi Arabia, you'll never know.
They are also trying to fund the less ideological groups out there because they know that "jihadi-salafism" is REALLY anti-saud these days, and they fear the backfire.
But yes, you have certainly the support of some elements of the saudi nobility and the extreme clerical classes. They do killed a ton of people who were accused to fund ISIS, but since it's Saudi Arabia, you'll never know.
TacticalHotdog
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https://twitter.com/bm27_uragan/status/789794969917743104
ISOF in one of the ISIS tunnels near Bartella, east of Mosul
ISOF in one of the ISIS tunnels near Bartella, east of Mosul
FreedomFighter
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Come on, man. Both Hillary herself says this and the leaked 2012 DIA document says it. It's a pretty indisputable at this point. Wikileaks may deserve ire for doing massive data dumps without redacting sensitive info (and even dumping irrelevant docs), they've been onpoint for their entire history. It doesn't matter how they got the leaks - all that matters is the content.
Golden_Pigeon
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I want proof, i don't take Clinton's words as revealed truth.
I am not saying that it's impossible, i just don't have any reason to believe it. It doesn't make any ideological or strategic sense for Saudi Arabia to do so. ISIS is what made dealing with Iran necessary, the worst thing possible for Saudi Arabia.
FreedomFighter
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You're talking about the bastion of Salafi/Wahabi ideology with a whole history of funding terrorism of that ilk. And then a leaked DIA memo and Clinton's own words aren't proof enough for you.
Seems you just don't want to believe it no matter what.
MisterFalcon
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A number of citizens of most European states are supporting ISIS financially and are fighting for them therefore all these countries are supporting ISIS.
The biggest providers of financial aid and manpower to terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda & ISIS has always been Saudi Arabia.
MisterFalcon
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Saudi Arabia, the nation or Saudi nationals ? In regards to the number of fighters joining ISIS tiny Tunisia has equal or more people joining them.
http://www.rferl.org/a/foreign-fighters-syria-iraq-is-isis-isil-infographic/26584940.html
Saudi nationals.
The oil rich Wahhabi sympathisers are massive financial investors.
Golden_Pigeon
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I know what i am talking about, the main difference is back in the 80's or during the chechen war, a lot of "jihadi groups" were referring to Saudi Arabia as a role-model and the clerics supported their causes openly. Since the end of the 90's they totally changed their discourse because it was backfiring. Now they don't make any reference to armed struggle and a total set of old fatwas just disappeared and the same scholar who was legitimizing terrorism against Russia, two year later were rejecting it completely. They just follow the interests of the West.They don't have an ideological agenda, they just act on self-preservation, and if ISIS succeed, it's the end of the Saudi dynasty, since they are their main objective.
petran79
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One reason Saudi Arabia and Quatar refuse to accept any refugees inside their home soil.
TheRealTalker
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oh you mean like this Map right?
https://twitter.com/PrimeSourceInt
man Russia is so good at not attacking ISIS
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Also I know it is cool to hate on Saudi Arabia and some for just means
but they aren't funding ISIS guys
the email said Hillary assumed yet they have no evidence from anywhere that SA (the government) supports ISIS
I mean how silly can you be to support a group that attacks you not only at home but abroad on multiple occasion and also kills your citizens, government officials and soldiers
I mean you guys are going on such a ruse right now it is silly
even now the Saudis are providing airstrikes with the coalition against Deash
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seems like you want to believe it no matter what
I mean a bunch of you guys are suffering some lagging affect
thinking it is 2003 or something
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It is convenient to make the whole world some black and white... easy to understand analogoy but reality is not some pre-school finger pointing, emotion ridden adventure
BrassDragon
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The ISIS funding discussion seems to be fueled by a misunderstanding of what kind of organization they are - you can't really compare them to guerilla/cell-based terrorists groups because, as fucked up as they are, ISIS is a state actor with its own territory, infrastructure and economy.
They pillaged the riches of territory they conquered which included gold and currency reserves worth billions.
So yes, they do receive grants from foreign interests, including presumably Saudi, but that's not the basis of their wealth and not a high priority target of intelligence services - stopping those would just be a drop in the bucket.
I feel that politicians who put too much emphasis on this are prone to 'old school' thinking about terrorism and don't recognize ISIS for the unique threat it poses.
They pillaged the riches of territory they conquered which included gold and currency reserves worth billions.
So yes, they do receive grants from foreign interests, including presumably Saudi, but that's not the basis of their wealth and not a high priority target of intelligence services - stopping those would just be a drop in the bucket.
I feel that politicians who put too much emphasis on this are prone to 'old school' thinking about terrorism and don't recognize ISIS for the unique threat it poses.
Stop with all this Kremlinese bullshit. The House of Saud does NOT fund ISIS. Baghdadi's death cult wants to brutally massacre the entire lot of them and flatten Mecca and Medina. ISIS is funded by a mixture of taxes on those under its rule, oil revenue and the half billion dollars it stole from the Bank of Mosul when ISIS overan the city. Donations from private individuals is a small part of their funding model.
CoffeeJanitor
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IS just launched an assault in another town, Rutba, in order to distract attention form IAF.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37744702
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37744702
TheRealTalker
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Oh and Also the whole Syrian pipeline conspiracy too that some Putin wankers toss around
https://twitter.com/iyad_elbaghdadi/status/790105575992557568
read this twitter thread to showcase how idiotic it is
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or trying their best to defend shitbags like Assad when he literally sends Leaflets over besieged cities, towns and villages
https://twitter.com/iyad_elbaghdadi/status/790105575992557568
read this twitter thread to showcase how idiotic it is
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or trying their best to defend shitbags like Assad when he literally sends Leaflets over besieged cities, towns and villages
Golden_Pigeon
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Yes, there is a copy-past reading of the current middle-east crisis with the model of interpretation of the Cold War.
It's like you have on one side Iran with Houthis, Hezbollah and Iraq gov and on the other side Saudi Arabia with AQ, ISIS... I understand the appeal of this lecture, and it's true in some case (Iran and Hezbollah) but not in others (Houthis have their own tribal agenda, ISIS have his own very distinct ideology even from AQ). . . They deemed as kharijites by Saudi officials clerics. It's like thinking that Trotsky rebellion against Stalin was founded by Stalin himself.
TheRealTalker
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Far right and Far left became so anti government that they would believe any conspiracy theory in order to question the norm.
The irony is that they just become a fiddle for another governments propaganda, when they assume they broke themselves from the clutches of western imperialism.
That and the fact that when one presents logic to them, they are so far gone that they sometimes assume that if you are anti their mentality then you are supporting the enemy, or are a hypocrite and turn a blind eye for other atrocities created by the other side.
It is as if one can't condemn both of these things but instead has to only choose one.
I hate when I see these things since it reminds me of my old high-school days when I too was like them in a political sense. I even watched and admired RT news as honest journalism lol
yeah there are some great twitter accounts that logically destroy crazy theories right and center
The irony is that they just become a fiddle for another governments propaganda, when they assume they broke themselves from the clutches of western imperialism.
That and the fact that when one presents logic to them, they are so far gone that they sometimes assume that if you are anti their mentality then you are supporting the enemy, or are a hypocrite and turn a blind eye for other atrocities created by the other side.
It is as if one can't condemn both of these things but instead has to only choose one.
I hate when I see these things since it reminds me of my old high-school days when I too was like them in a political sense. I even watched and admired RT news as honest journalism lol
yeah there are some great twitter accounts that logically destroy crazy theories right and center
Ironically enough that account was previously blocked by Twitter for allegedly being "pro-ISIS". Just because Iyad El-Baghdadi happens to have the same last name as the ISIS leader.
His tweets are brilliant BTW and great reading. His burning of the idiot Stein was lovely.
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