The Baron Count
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I agree with you, but unfortunately 343 have yet to prove that they are interested in any of those things to begin with.
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DF: Can Halo 5 deliver on its 60fps promise?
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I agree with you, but unfortunately 343 have yet to prove that they are interested in any of those things to begin with.
I'm actually curious as to what the real resolution will be. They can investigate early builds all they want, but this brings up just all the trolls who never played a Halo game claming how laughable this resolution is.
I'll reserve judgement, until the game comes out or after we get more direct feed footage.
Except for the ones that really sell amazingly well? We are at >60 mio Halo copies sold. This franchise isn't going anywhere and they have plans for Halo games until 2030.
Is this from a direct feed video? Because it sure doesn't look like it is.
I agree with this one too. This is why I don't care about the E3 footage. Nothing of your points was represented in that one.
I'll reserve judgement, until the game comes out or after we get more direct feed footage.
Except for the ones that really sell amazingly well? We are at >60 mio Halo copies sold. This franchise isn't going anywhere and they have plans for Halo games until 2030.
Is this from a direct feed video? Because it sure doesn't look like it is.
I agree with this one too. This is why I don't care about the E3 footage. Nothing of your points was represented in that one.
JumPeRJumPzZ
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Shadowfall did 30 campaign and 60 multiplayer and I didn't find it jarring at all. In fact, i actually really enjoy it.
So what you're saying Is because they showed something close to the final game. No one has a right to be unimpressed with what they saw?
That's what low-res alpha layers with a poor resolve can look like on object silhouettes.
For a particularly extreme example, here's a DF capture of Gran Turismo 5's low-res alpha, showing how edges in front of spray layers look extremely jaggy.
Pathfinder
Member
I still don't understand Digital Foundry doing frame-rate and resolution tests on videos from tradeshows. Isn't that sort of disingenuous? They didn't it once before with an E3 demo, forgot which game it was though.
It doesn't seem like the best way to evaluate something, in my opinion.
EDIT: What I meant was the video they are using has potential to suffer from compression/streaming artifacts, doesn't it?
It doesn't seem like the best way to evaluate something, in my opinion.
EDIT: What I meant was the video they are using has potential to suffer from compression/streaming artifacts, doesn't it?
Does it really matter? Some people are interested in reading this, and if the frame rate/resolution/etc. improve by the time it launches its a good thing.
The Baron Count
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Because it is interesting to get a snapshot of games in development?
The downside is it leads to people coming into threads like this to bitch about things they don't understand.
Isn't Uncharted 4 doing the same thing? I'd prefer 60 fps in the MP, but I wouldn't mind cutting down to 30 to maintain the sense of scale the developers are trying to achieve.
I don't think that would be possible in 60 fps, at least not with current hardware.
Pathfinder
Member
I should probably elaborate. What I meant was the video they are using has potential to suffer from compression/streaming artifacts, doesn't it?
The Baron Count
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We have direct feed footage as well and the compression is nowhere near severe enough to not be able to see the things they are talking about. I noticed the low res effects as soon as I watched the original footage.
Pathfinder
Member
Alright, fair enough then. Just seems like doing a framerate/resolution test off of video footage wouldn't provide results as good as if they were doing a test off of the game itself like they usually do.
Yea, i don't fully understand the wizardry they did but I wish other games would copy it. The motion blur bothered some people but I got used to it pretty quick.
HighResTomato
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With all the shit they cutting they better keep this floating at 1080p/60 locked. That was their excuse for cutting split screen, then this shit should be hitting that mark.
This will be the first Halo ever I don't pre-order or buy on launch, got serious doubts about the campaign and well after MCC can't trust 343 for shit.
This will be the first Halo ever I don't pre-order or buy on launch, got serious doubts about the campaign and well after MCC can't trust 343 for shit.
You went from game development results with respect to time on a downward sloping curve to subjective visual perception of a demo's graphics. Gotta love the Socratic method.
Fredrik
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30fps in SP and low res in MP, and everybody wins? How?
No, the backlash would kill them. They claimed that it would be 60fps years ago at the first announcement. It really is 60 or bust this time, they can't drop this, they would look like fools. And MCC is 60 too which makes it nearly impossible to go lower with H5 now that both old and new fans has gotten used to 60. Nope, there is no turning back, same thing with all game series that tries to lower the framerate, it never goes well, the negative opinions that pops up everywhere will kill the hype.
What are you talking about? E3 is where you Showcase a game. What they showed at E3 was Average. If you disagree that's fine my goal isn't to change your opinion.
If the game play is good, and you're primarily playing halo, your eyes will adjust and all will be good. I rather a locked 60 or bust though
This wasn't listed anywhere as something to expect.
Do they have a choice? I think not. Sony is knocking.
HighResTomato
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So the SP should look like shit for the people that love the single player/
R.I.P co-op
Playing the same game in 30 AND 60FPS is going to be pretty jarring as you switch from one to another. The way you talk make it sounds like every game on every system prior to the Ps4 "looks like shit".
I trust it'll end up being a solid 60 fps. The biggest issue was what they chose for their e3 showcase. Of all the set pieces I imagine they'll have, they chose a very dull one to showcase, seemingly just to give more exposure to Locke.
I hope their next showing is better. Truth be told I expected more, graphically, out of this title.
I hope their next showing is better. Truth be told I expected more, graphically, out of this title.
So will you be "hurt" if Halo 5 turns out better than you think it will be?
What a disgusting thread. Some here seem to enjoy jumping to conclusions and being in battle mode than playing games (since why else would any gamer make such silly statements)?
We've seen games improve their look/resolution on both systems (PS4 and Xbox One) months later. This thread is reminding me of the DF Call of Duty Advanced Warfare Xbox E3 trailer thread. Very similar jumping to conclusions/trolling for similar reasons if I remember correctly (problems maintaining 60 FPS).
The immature reactions to this are stupid and will be even more stupid if the game turns on to be much better at launch.
They really should have gone with 30fps, but it's too late now. The consoles just aren't powerful enough to do these heavy hitters at 1080/60 without sacrifices, and sub 1080 looks like a mess on my tv. 60fps for the multiplayer would have been fine, but the campaign is really going to suffer
professor_t
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No, he GAINED 25 pounds in two weeks . . .
HighResTomato
Member
Halo 4 campaign was great at 30, they can't sell me the "but we need 60" bullshit. Just another one of the things they can use for marketing. Ever since Sony started using 60FPS in their marketing, MS has been chasing them to do the same.
Now we get me "We build this from the ground up" "For the Cloud" "For butter smooth 60fps" doesn't matter we had to rip parts of it out.
Since 343 was saying "oh no one uses split screen anymore"I would like to see the statistics of how many people that play Halo MP have actually completed Halo SP.
It's more fun tho....?
Shin-Ra
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Pretty sure that's the aiming reticle, lol.
And if you can't see the low-res edges I don't know what to say.
Hah, I was so confused by that reply since he was confusing the aiming reticule for you circling something.
Aceofspades
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SaganIsGOAT
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Dude why are you so negative all the time? Do you even enjoy games or just arguing about them online? Seriously man...
Based on what 343 says to expect and my countless hours with a year in advance beta, I have no doubts this will be a fucking amazing game. I give no shits for tech dick waving contests, I'll be playing. Sad there seem to be plenty that would rather play the console war.
In some of the docs you could see the game locking at 1080p/30 for some of the vignette sequences. Gotta stay cinematic
JumPeRJumPzZ
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What has that to do with the comment i made? Why do you even care?
And negative all the time? Yeah thats why im in love with Star Wars Battlefront. Right because im negative all the time.
When i havent seen much positive things from Halo 5, thats not my fault when 343 fails to impress. And im allowed just like you to discuss this.
I was referring to anything specific anybody had said, more-so preempting what will happen come launch.
It's a tech tread .
Could you specify which part of Halo she was responsible for? And what's wrong with that particular feature now?
Dysentery and sadness!
But there is, this is so deep in development and Required to show it was not the game at its best, let's take AWF from,last year. On XboxOne the leads platform it pretty much maintained a solid 60 throughout campaign and MP even though at E3 it could it could barely manage 30.
I work in software I know NOTHING comes together till the last few weeks/months. DF need to take more care with analysing PR material for performance metrics, it seems to be All they are!?!
SaganIsGOAT
Junior Member
Does a point come where you realize every day you go on gaf to complain about halo? Doesn't that shit get old?
JumPeRJumPzZ
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Vire
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Why do you even respond to shit like that... :/
I'd actually like him to answer.
SaganIsGOAT
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Holy shit right in my internet feels. I'll miss you jumper. Sorry you can't take a few posts addressing your constant complaining in EVERY halo thread. It's rich that you dish it out at 343 repeatedly, but once it hits you back you bury your head in the ground. Have fun hiding behind your ignore feature.