papersleeves
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Don't forget Chapter 11's framerate on 360 which is abominable.
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Digital Foundry: Thief for Xbox One edges out the PS4 version
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Don't forget Chapter 11's framerate on 360 which is abominable.
SwiftDeath
Member
This is kind of funny tbh
They're not rating the graphics on the prospect that something might be patched. They just analyze the current versions.
gundamkyoukai
Member
DF have been making to many mistakes in my book even before this gen started .
After TR where fail to mention certain things they have really drop in some people eyes .
After TR where fail to mention certain things they have really drop in some people eyes .
subjectivity?
Brief description of Digital Foundry from Eurogamer website:
As I said earlier in the thread, they should have sat on the fence on this one.
Ricerocket
Member
AF is a huge boost in image quality so I can see why they'd push that as a leading factor.
What's funny about this whole thing is that AF is a VERY small hit on performance and should be available on both but for some reason it isn't so X1 with lower res/fps/ lack of parallax mapping is winning!
What's funny about this whole thing is that AF is a VERY small hit on performance and should be available on both but for some reason it isn't so X1 with lower res/fps/ lack of parallax mapping is winning!
Melchiah
Member
Something isn't right...
Is this even acknowledged in the article?
plagiarize
Banned
Didn't AF play merry hell with POM in Crysis? Anyone who knows more about the techniques could possibly enlighten us here.
Is it possible that AF has been disabled in the PS4 version because they thought POM was more important?
And can anyone confirm that POM is missing in the Xbox One version? Perhaps a PC owner of this game could do some tests.
I am not sure how you could have missed the point more completely. I'll try one more time: When they feel it's visually close between the two consoles, DF will consistently give the nod to MS, even to the point of ignoring better resolution and frame rates on the PS4. How is this even debatable, look at the Thief comparison? How could anyone not a fanboy prefer AF over lower resolution and frame rate?
When the differences are huge like in that article you cited, they can't give it to MS without looking like hacks and losing the little credibility they have, so they give the nod to the PS. They've done this consistently, do more research if you must done, but I'm done. If you can't see this from the Thief comparison, it's because you don't WANT to see it.
Sylvrfonic
Member
Yup, not buying this game. The performance overall on consoles sounds awful. Frame pacing makes movement feel bad? No thank you.
In the stinky land of Thief the X1 stinks slightly less. Let's celebrate this victory and declare the console war resolved with a draw.
o/
In the stinky land of Thief the X1 stinks slightly less. Let's celebrate this victory and declare the console war resolved with a draw.
o/
Syphon Filter
Member
Did ghost get patched with the framerate thing?
tokyostomp
Banned
Well PS4 had a good run.
All hail Xbone!
All hail Xbone!
Commanche Raisin Toast
Member
as far as it being patched in, my only thoughts are:
-it's UE3, which is bound to have issues being stretched across gens, and it might not be fixable for some strange bizarre reason
+they listened to our feedback before the game launched and changed some things, so at least we know they are open to listening and fixing stuff
-they might break something else, or decrease the quality of some other aspect in order to fix the texture/filtering issue despite it not being that taxing on performance
+if they don't fix it, i'm still having a blast and it won't ruin my day.
i'd personally prefer them tweak the game itself a bit before messing with performance or technical patches. i'd like the map to be a bit more intuitive and show markers for ALL area transitions (the glowy thingies on gates that take you to a new area), the ability to mark the map for certain things you want to revisit later (ie: a painting when you don't have the razor yet), and that sort of thing.
otherwise, my only other issues at the moment are trying to figure out how to get to certain areas as well as not understanding why there are some items to steal laying on random wooden beams that there's no possible way to reach. (not without a magic double-jump skill, at least)
-it's UE3, which is bound to have issues being stretched across gens, and it might not be fixable for some strange bizarre reason
+they listened to our feedback before the game launched and changed some things, so at least we know they are open to listening and fixing stuff
-they might break something else, or decrease the quality of some other aspect in order to fix the texture/filtering issue despite it not being that taxing on performance
+if they don't fix it, i'm still having a blast and it won't ruin my day.
i'd personally prefer them tweak the game itself a bit before messing with performance or technical patches. i'd like the map to be a bit more intuitive and show markers for ALL area transitions (the glowy thingies on gates that take you to a new area), the ability to mark the map for certain things you want to revisit later (ie: a painting when you don't have the razor yet), and that sort of thing.
otherwise, my only other issues at the moment are trying to figure out how to get to certain areas as well as not understanding why there are some items to steal laying on random wooden beams that there's no possible way to reach. (not without a magic double-jump skill, at least)
AF works with POM in Thief.
Who knows? Maybe? What we know from the PC version that POM is quite a bit more performance demanding than AFx16.
It's obvious from the screenshot that POM is missing in the right compared to the left image.
It got a patch to unlock 1080p, same with AC4, all after reviews were done.
Syphon Filter
Member
Yea i know,i mean the framerate issue.
What makes you think that? They did make another analysis when cod got that shitty patch on xb1
No but the Xbox One version got patched with a lower framerate so it all balances out!
That I don't know, I haven't played Ghost in a while.. Never had an issue with framerate though maybe I didn't noticed?
Screw the framerate difference, its afew frames. They both jump around in the 20's, and its very noticeable while exploring the city if your sensitive to sub 30 (PS4 here). People playing both versions will have to deal with it, and the texture streaming issues.
Then you have 1080p vs 900p, with (supposedly) trilinear vs 16x anisotropic. With the FXAA being used, maybe 900p with 16x and the fxaa does actually look slightly better in person.. i mean theres alot of bricks in the game, just about every surface would benefit greatly from 16x anisotropic, over trilinear. (if that is the case)
Imo its the devs who should be taking all the anger from people on this result.
Maybe its the youtube compression, but im not seeing a big difference in filtering here, wouldnt trilinear vs 16x anisotropic be blatantly and unquestionably obvious ?
Melchiah
Member
Heh, that's one of the few articles where they crowned the PS3 version, yet the 360 version's shortcomings were put on the developers' shoulders, unlike in, say, Bayonetta comparison.
Frayne Daddy
Banned
Which still has not been fixed. IW is a joke lol not to go off topic
Lazyness like this from devs puts me off buying their product, it is clear they did not spend enough time on each platform to give us the best possible experience.
Can anyone that has played this game, with the above statement in mind, recommend it due to a overbalance of enjoyment/gameplay?
Can anyone that has played this game, with the above statement in mind, recommend it due to a overbalance of enjoyment/gameplay?
Chobel
Member
Yes.
Cizeta-Moroder
Banned
By not being a caveman?
Does ps4 really have the better framerate? I mostly see minimum framerates being cited here.
I'm just wondering. Considering Thief uses UE3, can anyone else think of a UE3 game which uses POM and AF in conjunction? Maybe it is an engine limitation.
LookAtMeGo
Member
*Enters tech thread*
Why do you guys care about the frame rate and resolution so much? As long as its fun thats all that matters.
EDIT: sorry was just kidding around.
Why do you guys care about the frame rate and resolution so much? As long as its fun thats all that matters.
EDIT: sorry was just kidding around.
Syphon Filter
Member
Then play NES. Would you rather eat from the garbage or a homemade meal?
Has it not? It seemed better after the last update
Neutralfanboy
Banned
Bad game is bad.
LookAtMeGo
Member
Depends on whos garbage I am eating.
plagiarize
Banned
good to know.
yes, but is it nowhere to be seen anywhere in the game? that's what I was asking.
Yes, subjectivity. The "objective" version of this analysis some were calling for, where DF gives it to the PS4 on the basis of having more noted advantages, wouldn't have been particularly in-depth. That tends to require actually weighing the different factors, and yeah, that often times has an element of subjectivity to it.
I didn't miss your point, so much as I didn't tackle it on your terms at all. Which was definitely a fault in my argument, so I'll simply accept your accusation that for whatever reason I'm too invested in DF's analysis to see the truth.
News at 11
Frayne Daddy
Banned
Hmmm maybe it has since I last played. Did they fix the game automatically going into a random single player mission glitch?
I'll try it again thanks.
LookAtMeGo
Member
LOL thats hilarious.
I really was kidding hence the "*enters tech thread*".
Then we need to ask Xbone owners not PC owners, though.
We'll get some high quality Xbone footage by Gamersyde in the future, then we can see whether or not the few times shown are the anomaly or if there is no POM after all.
Still edit it though since it had to detect sarcasm
Screw the framerate difference, its afew frames. They both jump around in the 20's, and its very noticeable while exploring the city if your sensitive to sub 30 (PS4 here). People playing both versions will have to deal with it, and the texture streaming issues.
Then you have 1080p vs 900p, with (supposedly) trilinear vs 16x anisotropic. With the FXAA being used, maybe 900p with 16x and the fxaa does actually look slightly better in person.. i mean theres alot of bricks in the game, just about every surface would benefit greatly from 16x anisotropic, over trilinear. (if that is the case)
Imo its the devs who should be taking all the anger from people on this result.
Maybe its the youtube compression, but im not seeing a big difference in filtering here, wouldnt trilinear vs 16x anisotropic be blatantly and unquestionably obvious ?
This one right here is where you can see the difference. Look at the bottom of the slope, you can see that the Xbone version has sharper textures because of AF.
Still, I'm convinced this is either:
a) A bug on the PS4 version considering how minuscule of a performance hit 16xAF has.
b) They decided to go for POM instead of AF on the PS4 version.
Nope, that still happens to me, lol
Wishmaster92
Member
Sony needs to fix this ASAP. 16xAF should be standard with all next-gen games.
plasmawave
Banned
At least now we know that one site claiming the PS4 version running at a single digit was bogus.
StoppedInTracks
Member
Almost 1200 posts, Jesus Christ.
In 200 posts this thread will overtake the Thief |OT| one.
In 200 posts this thread will overtake the Thief |OT| one.