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Digital Foundry: Thief for Xbox One edges out the PS4 version
- Thread starter chadskin
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To be honest here, texture filtering is very important for me. Forza 5 has terrible issues with it and imo it degrades the quality too much. I just hooked up a new U2414H monitor since I moved and these things are extremely noticeable, much more than the difference between 900p and 1080p. If I were configuring settings on PC and there was a trilinear filtering bug for 1080p I wouldn't pick it.
Cheers needed that gif.I didn't think it was necessary but I guess posting context-less images when people have no clue what AF means is that some posters are assuming Unreal Engine texture load-in issues are "AF" and the game looks like that.
I think while I agree with the DF conclusion, I think how they presented some of the issues unsettling. Why show texture streaming using still shots escapes me and declare that both use POM when it doesnt appear to be the case from the screenshots you are using...
This just cant be incompetence, but then the big talking point about why the PS4 has to use TF rather than AF isnt even thought worth investigating further...
With regards to this game it really is which one is shit and which one is really shit, neither outcome is really a recommendation to buy really especially considering how substandard the gameplay is...
ps3ud0 8)
TUROK
Member
Nobody ever bothers to read anything in DF threads.
I'm not want it but I don't understand what those microstattering did to keep the two version on par with different lower fps. Seem you are going too much beyond any tech logic. Keep in mind I'm just talking based to the article words.
GoofsterStud
Member
I'm just saying that the fans arguing their side with the "technicality" shouldn't be arguing against it in the next VS.
At least be consistent.
Looks like the 100% finished install is not as bad.
Spottiettiedop
Member
Basically.
Can Crusher
Banned
It seems the devs can't get anything right with this game.
To be fair, the WiiU Batman AC port had scenes where you were hanging from a building and the textures weren't loaded by that point. This is not the case in Thief.
Donkey Kong, Lego City and Splinter Cell all have issues with long load times on the WiiU. Dunno if it's the decompression or what. Seems like it doesn't matter if it's from the disc or not.
This has come up before in previous Digital Foundry Face-Offs:
"A trailing average calculated from x refresh samples (at say 60hz) can make variation between 20 and 30 hz look like less than 20. It all depends on when you start and end the period you use to calculate the figure."
The same principle holds true here.
Dragon1893
Member
DF always gives the edge to the version with best frame-rate unless there are serious issues with the graphics in the version that performs better.
I've been reading their articles since they started so I was surprised when I reached the bottom and saw their reasoning, usually it's easy to tell which version comes out on top before reading the verdict.
Of course if you single out assets that haven't loaded the final texture you get terrible pics like the ones posted here.
I guess the frame-rate difference is negligible, going by the videos it certainly seems all over the place on both versions but that quote does say that the dips on the X1 are more pronnounced.
Macready1306
Banned
Yes we could. Just that some (most) of us won't to keep up this extraordinary anti Xbox One agenda on GAF. It's amazing on here. Seriously sad that a digital foundry article goes against ps4 and this place goes into meltdown trying to claim they're wrong. Yet a positive ps4 DF article and it's all smiles here. Joke. We all know ps4 is more powerful. Don't need DF to reaffirm your console choice.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Those clouds that never seem to end!
FranXico
Member
"No sale" seems like the obvious choice in this case.
So you have searched desperately this drop at 21 fps &it means game drop to 21 fps frequently?Facts? The article said otherwise, so I suppose it's just a weird dip.
Memorabilia
Member
I came here to say this but you saved me a lot of typing on my phone. Lol Well said.
The later doesn't make the former false.
Macready1306
Banned
We are talking about drops. Not averages. It drops to 21 fps on ps4. People here are quoting a mistake in the article claiming the ps4 maintains over 25 fps. It clearly drops to 21. At the same time the xbone is at 29. What does it prove? I'm not too sure cause at different points the ps4 stays higher than the xbone. Big deal. Shoddy port on both consoles. No need for everyone here to cry that ps4 lost this round.
Impeccable
Member
Been replaced with very severe concerns for the future of the Playstation and it's ability to deal with textures.
AkelisRain
Member
This was patched the day after, it was a bug. Not a problem.
Risk Breaker
Member
So basically image quality doesn't matter, except when it's texture filtering, which didn't matter with 720p and framerate matters but both are not good so neither is less bad than the other, even though one is actually less bad than the other.
That said, the game looks awful from a technical point of view on the 3 main platforms, considering it's UE3 and not really that intensive. It's also stupid not to have AF in a modern game.
That said, the game looks awful from a technical point of view on the 3 main platforms, considering it's UE3 and not really that intensive. It's also stupid not to have AF in a modern game.
You're cherry picking. You've picked a singular moment of a singular clip to support your argument. The Xbox line on that graph is the lower of the two for considerably longer.
ieatzombies
Member
Exactly. Nothing left to see here folks.
Omotesando
Member
Xbone needs a break.
Also according to DF framerate video, Xbone version definitely has more dips in the gameplay ''battle'' section.
there are horrible graphics issue ..to me..and yea i think both version arent ok ..20 or 24 is but clearly here the problem is on the tf and texture streaming
Say one thing vaguely positive about the Xbox One and suddenly you've been payed by MS
How do you think the FPS counter in the video is calculated? It's an average. There is no other way in the world of mathematics to discard all but a single frame and say this is the frame that dropped to 21.
We couldn't because we know for a fact that Xbone is significantly less powerful than PS4, so worse performance in games is what we'd expect. Worse performance in a PS4 version of a multiplatform must have a developer-based reason.
Hey look, PC won another comparison
This is 100% certain not to be an AF-related issue. Anisotropic filtering only becomes relevant when the texture is displayed at a steep angle towards the camera.yeh it really does
Macready1306
Banned
Pretty big dip that the xbox one never gets to in the video. In earlier DF articles when xbone dropped frames it was happy times here. Now PS4 drops below xbone it's now a "weird dip"???!!! I don't think I understand though- could you show me where the xbox one version drops as low as 21 fps? Cause for the superior hardware that's pretty damn shocking.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Welcome to PC gaming, soon you'll be referring to all developers as lazy devs tm.
I dont really know what you're not getting.
I'm thinking a lot of people here are unaware of what was said. Even in the OP, the major point about frame pacing was not highlighted, but the minor difference in framerate was, ignoring that frame pacing issues causes stutter that make a small framerate advantage unimportant.
Macready1306
Banned
It still dropped to 21 fps. Lower than the xbone ever does. All on superior hardware. Poor port? Well I think we could use the same excuse for previous xbone games cause xbone ain't that bad.
The game is pushing more stuff on the PS4 due to the resolution and average framerate advantage, so it's not like the game turns everything on its head. Technically, it is performing better. The problem is that this does not translate into a significant real-world advantage due to the pacing issues and that weird texture filtering thing.
Wonder if they'll patch it. Can't really imagine that texture filtering would be a deliberate, necessary trade-off.
In any case, framerate problems of that magnitude are a shame.
Oh my...How old are you? Out of my curiosity. I don't think a single frame prove anything, but you are free to believe what you want. If the article argue about the 25 drops on ps4 over the 20 fps on xbone, I suppose the journalist has tested this thing straightly. Come on, be serious for a second.
Especially not because the PS4 has 72 TMUs an Xbone has 48. AFAIK TMU and its cache size are what are important for AF.
The Tomb Raider Definitive Edition had the Xbone version drop to 18 FPS in their video analysis but they didn't use the 18 value in the article. People that are disagreeing with you are doing it based on the way DF operates, no matter who's behind. Put away the tinfoil hat and the stop believing in the existence of the NeoGAF anti-Microsoft Sony sponsored agenda.
Hail Cerny
Chobel
Member
Texture streaming issues only happens in cutscenes.
Macready1306
Banned
It isn't as significant as what neogaf would like to think.
As for the reason you've given above, I was led to believe the xbone was far harder to develop for than the ps4...??? What did these guys do wrong then? Another win for the xbone. That's 2 in a row now.
I think what you said, it's not technically valid. I'm not sure how the ps4 version microstuttering could keep on par to the lower xbone dips, I'm talking of the general smoothness. I don't see how.
Memorabilia
Member
Pretty much.
That said this game is such an absolute shit-show on both platforms in every possible way...technically and creatively...it's going to be in the $10 bargain bin and $5 steam sale category very soon. It sort of cracks me up that a game this obviously sub-par has generated this much debate. I doubt anyone is going to be talking about this steaming pile of poo in 6 months except to lament spending real money on it and maybe show up on a few "worst game of the year/games i regret buying" lists.
fabricated backlash
Member
To be fair, the WiiU Batman AC port had scenes where you were hanging from a building and the textures weren't loaded by that point. This is not the case in Thief.
Well yeah, the effect itself is still jarring though, regardless of it's duration. Like I said, UE3 is such a shit show.
It's because xbone at the end it's a superior hardware. Gotcha. MS was right, balance for balance.