cyberheater
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That is true.
On the other hand they are likely to be using more off the shelf parts to keep costs down.
I really do hope it's a powerful machine.
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Digitimes Rumor: Nintendo to ship 10-12m NX units in 2016, mass production in Q2
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That is true.
On the other hand they are likely to be using more off the shelf parts to keep costs down.
I really do hope it's a powerful machine.
Yeah me too. I would hope for parity with PS4 but I'm not really expecting that tbh. I think it will come out with similar but slightly lower spec on paper than PS4, with a few contemporary tweaks. Sort of like the WiiU > 360 comparison.
That's at best
Trevelyan9999
Banned
Look up the Potato Masher on YouTube (I am not able at the moment) it's a $350 PC built with off the shelf parts to compete with PS4 and it outperforms it. I am not seeing the extreme difficulty personally. Also console parts are bought in bulk, it's certainly possible for Nintendo accomplish at a good price, they could take a small loss too and make it up with software and Amiibo.
quackamole
Member
My point is that people are willing to buy new apple stuff every year. Whereas most people would bot be willing to give the same treatment to Nintendo.
Besides cellphones are tied to contracts that seeming make them cost only a fraction of their real cost. Nintendo don't have such subsides to help them.
cyberheater
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Yeah me too. I would hope for parity with PS4 but I'm not really expecting that tbh. I think it will come out with similar but slightly lower spec on paper than PS4, with a few contemporary tweaks. Sort of like the WiiU > 360 comparison.
That's at best
Yep. That's my current thinking as well.
You are getting ahead of yourself. Pokemon MMORPG before everything else.
Deserted Maniac Island
Member
I thinks it going to be a heater/AC unit to help improve peoples quality of life.
I like the theory that they [Nintendo] are manufacturing many units, so the cost per unit goes down. And if the they distributed dev kits this year devs, presumably, can port their already existing games to the NX like Mankind Dividend, it's not like third parties are going to make a lot exclusives for Nintendo, its Nintendos job to make exclusives for the NX.
As far as the leaks we should be getting, maybe Foxccon got better at keeping secrets?
But my theory still stands, its a heater/AC!
I like the theory that they [Nintendo] are manufacturing many units, so the cost per unit goes down. And if the they distributed dev kits this year devs, presumably, can port their already existing games to the NX like Mankind Dividend, it's not like third parties are going to make a lot exclusives for Nintendo, its Nintendos job to make exclusives for the NX.
As far as the leaks we should be getting, maybe Foxccon got better at keeping secrets?
But my theory still stands, its a heater/AC!
ShooterMcTavish
Banned
Okay so your not competing with ps4? Then why not keep the WiiU goin. I think Nintendo is going to be very happy with the Black Friday sales this year. Based on what I'm hearing
This console better have some magic apparatus that draws everyone in because why release something that will be marginally more powerful then WiiU, if it's less power then xbox one you will have a hard time selling people on diff in graphics
This console better have some magic apparatus that draws everyone in because why release something that will be marginally more powerful then WiiU, if it's less power then xbox one you will have a hard time selling people on diff in graphics
Fourth Storm
Member
Oh, if NVidia and intel were in the game that would be a whole different story!
The setup from his Youtube:
i5 750 overclocked to 3.7 ghz
Asus H55 LGA 1156 motherboard
4GB DDR3 memory
GTX 760
320GB Samsung Spinpoint HDD
Cooler Master Wavemaster Case
Arctic Alpine 11 GT cpu cooler
Logitech wireless mouse and keyboard
I think Nintendo really want to differentiate themselves by making a small and stylish console again. The Xbone is a hulking brute and the PS4 sounds like a jet engine in order to maintain its form factor. They'll probably settle w/ a ~1 TFLOP GPU. RAM setup will be the interesting part.
PS4 has the high-end console space won. Nintendo can take the low end entirely in Japan and perhaps be competitive in the rest of the world, although I expect Xbone to make some good headway w/ the holidays. Offering essentially a 2x Nvidia Shield TV (in hardware power) would blow every other small set top box out of the water.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
What else could it realistically be? Everything else is either financially risky (and Nintendo has always been a financially conservative company) or not interesting enough to pursue in comparison to VR or AR.
Those are the next big frontiers for I/O innovation and it'd be stupid for Nintendo to not have an option to throw into the mix.
Nintendo has never been about having the most powerful console. They just happened to have had the most powerful console in one generation (N64) due to release schedule and, obviously, Moore's Law being in effect.
There's little doubt in my mind that NX is going to be at least some measurable ability more powerful than PS4 if indeed Nintendo's making a play for core gamers again, but it's not going to be b/c that's their absolute top goal, and as such it's not going to be like what Dreamcast was to N64, though it'll probably be a good bit more than what Wii U turned out to be compared to 360 and PS3.
Got it. Then, what are your current expectations, performance-wise (I mean, how the home compares to PS4/One and how the handheld compares to Vita)? Just to get it clearer
Empyrean Heaven
Member
Yes, because Nintendo is billions in debt and weak leadership.
(comparing Nintendo now to Sega before the deluge may be fashionable, but it's extremely far from the truth. Even PACHTER backtracked on his "Nintendo should go third party" declaration in his latest video)
The Hololens isn't intended to be a mass market device and the Playstation VR is designed to fulfill a specific need. However, I wouldn't draw very strong conclusions from that Q&A. Nintendo may well be trying to do anything so their statements may be deceptive.
Well unfortunately in that case - using my tried and tested "Pachter Opinion Interpretation Matrix® - we can now deduce that Nintendo should indeed go 3rd party.
Fourth Storm
Member
Got it. Then, what are your current expectations, performance-wise (I mean, how the home compares to PS4/One and how the handheld compares to Vita)? Just to get it clearer
Pretty much laid it out in the post above.
Optimistically a 14nm chip:
With an optical drive. Although they will release a digital-only sku. The question is when and for how much?
~1 TFLOP AMD GPU
~8 Core CPU: ARM Cortex A57 (or a big/little type thing w/ 4xA57+4xA53)
RAM is tricky, but it will likely be 4-8 GB of DDR4 at medium speed in combined w/ a smaller pool of higher speed RAM Anywhere from 32 MB of eSRAM like Xbone to a couple gigs of HBM optimistically.
Killer Queen
Banned
Have any recent (gamecube and onward)Nintedo games been known for pushing technical boundaries? If not I don't see what they truly gain from going for parity with the PS4 aside from bad press of being 'underpowered' like with the Wii U and possibly better 3rd party support but that might have more to do with what the console is and what gimmick they try to push. Serious question though, (excuse my ignorance)
The competition would be nice though and will hopefully bring down PS4 prices and hopefully the handheld is a worthy succesor to the 3ds.
The competition would be nice though and will hopefully bring down PS4 prices and hopefully the handheld is a worthy succesor to the 3ds.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
It's not all that out of line a comparison.
If Nintendo doesn't reverse their fortunes w/ NX, they will not be able to sustain hardware development within the next decade. It doesn't matter how much money they have in reserve b/c the rate they'd end up burning through that on new hardware R & D that would result in hardware that doesn't sell, would outstrip whatever income they are making by magnitudes. They'd eventually end up short on cash.
All of their other efforts like expansion into mobile and the theme parks are nice side things, but their health and relevancy, at least initially until they find their own footing, relies on the sales strength of those properties in the console industry. And I wouldn't say Nintendo's leadership has been strong over the years at all, otherwise they would not have slipped up so badly with Wii U and 3DS :/
Just calling it how it is.
In terms of GPU performance and graphics capabilities, GameCube was actually the 2nd most powerful console of the 6th gen.
#1 Xbox
#2 GameCube
#3 PlayStation 2
#4 Dreamcast
GameCube was both fairly powerful and highly efficient, and, although it released in late 2001 at almost the same time Xbox launched, the GameCube hardware design was started at a time during the late 90s where the intention was to release it in 2000, unlike the original Xbox, which went into development during 1999-2000, after Dolphin did in 1998-1999.
Was GameCube as powerful as the original Xbox? No, but it was certainly more powerful than PlayStation 2, nevermind Dreamcast.
The_Endgamer
Member
Man, I didn't expect my friend who works for a certain studio in Japan to answer me so quickly.
Gimmie dual analogue nubs and I'm sold.
Yeah, you would figure that's combined, with Nintendo producing 20 mil "just in case" it becomes a huge hit out the gate (one or both platforms).
Ok, I have a clearer idea about your expectations on the home SKU...what about your expectations on the handheld?
SaintMadeOfPlaster
Member
So do people think the NX will be backwards compatible, or not? Part of me looks at Nintendo's history, plus the fact that the Wii U sold so horribly and feels like it's a no-brainer. The other part of me thinks that if Nintendo wants to be competitive they need to overhaul their hardware architecture, which would make BC a lot more expensive, and we all know how Nintendo likes to pinch pennies.
pinkurocket
Member
Will they release NX and QoL in the same year? That's gonna be a big year for Ninty.
Unless Nintendo has a wii sports like system seller wanting to ship 20 million in 2016 is crazy. Plus they have to market the nx correctly and in a tiny time frame if e3 is the big reveal.
Nx is going to live or die based on whatever mega software Nintendo has been working on and what ever super secret deals they've made over the last few years with select developers. A majority of third party software is going to be ports. So many hurldes the Nx has the steepest hill to climb.
Nx is going to live or die based on whatever mega software Nintendo has been working on and what ever super secret deals they've made over the last few years with select developers. A majority of third party software is going to be ports. So many hurldes the Nx has the steepest hill to climb.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
So zelda crossgen again?
Well, it worked great the last time. 3 Zelda games sold for every 4 sold Wii's. I don't see why not.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
I'm almost starting to think NX and QoL have merged at this point. At the very least NX will definitely have some compatibility w/ any QoL products or services they push out.
QoL is an entirely separate business venture for Nintendo that has no bearing on their gaming anything. The first QoL product is a sleep sensor, release unknown.
Fourth Storm
Member
Handheld is much harder for me to say. I haven't thought about it quite as much for one, but also we don't know the size of the thing. They could very well come out w/ a 7" NX tablet first. It's worth noting that AMD have yet to show they can create a chip w/ lower than 10" tablet worth of TDP. Nintendo could have licensed PowerVR, though, and have someone other than AMD manufacturing the chip. Granted, I brought up an interview long ago where an AMD guy was obviously pushing for the Nintendo handheld deal, but who knows if they really got it? Or maybe it's for a 3rd pillar NX tablet?
4 core ARM processor (A53, A57, or some combination thereof)
Single Screen 540p-720p And don't rule out 4:3
It won't quite be as good as Wii U level visuals, but it'll look nice.
Gamecard media. Only certain downloaded games or special promotion games will be cross play and cross buy. All Virtual Console games should be.
UnemployedVillain
Member
You do realize every console manufacturer uses a combination of customized and off the shelf parts, right? It'd be dumb not to. The days of esoteric and exotic console HW are gone
Handhelds gonna be 16:9
I wonder if in addition to 1) a $150 - $200 handheld at around wii u power level at 540p and 2) a $250 - $300 home console at around ps4 power level, Nintendo will also release a console lite that would be a console at the power level of the handheld that would output handheld level graphics to a tv at 1080p. They could theoretically sell it for about $99 - $150 and even make it the main console they sell in secondary markets. I think it was either Iwata or Miyamoto who said they always wanted to release a console for $100. Well, this could be a way for them to do it.
Trevelyan9999
Banned
Exactly. That is why I slightly disagree with Fouth, Miyamoto wants a gamers console again, he basically said so last year in an interview about why the Wii U failed.
My expectations based on everything we know so far and rumors:
NX home console will be more powerful (or perform better with modern chipsets) than PS4, just enough to have the best ports that are not for PC to help with getting Third Party back and to have a more robust gaming lineup. NX will also have something unique about it that can't be done on other consoles or PC, to give it an edge. I'm sure the mobile aspect is not the only thing they have up their sleeves.
Nintendo will make a powerful console if it means developers will make games for it and gamers go where there are "games" to play. It's a means to an end for Nintendo, they would keep making Wii level hardware and more wacky controllers if they thought they could still get away with it.They have billions in the bank and they have no debt.
AcademicSaucer
Member
Man, I didn't expect my friend who works for a certain studio in Japan to answer me so quickly.
I would buy it day one if the cartridges looked like that.
Kataploom
Gold Member
People like a to speculate about if the console SKU is gonna be more or less powerful than PS4, but as I can see in Iwata words related to more and different form factors for different markets, they could just announce two different versions of the console (high and low spec) to appeal casual players price-competitive and core players that don't care that much about the price but want the best experience. Both running the same games at different resolution and so.
Maybe releasing one next year and the other a bit later, maybe both at the same time. I think that is a good way to deal with both audiences without trying to make a single box that fails to appeal either.
Edit: I'm not talking about console and handheld but two home console versions (or more)
Maybe releasing one next year and the other a bit later, maybe both at the same time. I think that is a good way to deal with both audiences without trying to make a single box that fails to appeal either.
Edit: I'm not talking about console and handheld but two home console versions (or more)
SuperLeviathan
Member
If they go that route, that raises the question of why they don't rehabilitate the Wii U. Dumping one underpowered console for another mid-gen isn't going to bring them back to the Wii/DS salad days.
MAtgS
Member
I predict double BC, both handheld & console playing both 3DS & Wii U games.
That is exactly my prediction. They want to be able to hit that $100/150 price point. Not sure if at launch they'll do it, but I imagine they will have:
NX Home: "tier 2" console with optical drive, Ethernet, etc. Power user features. Plays tier 1 and 2 games at 1080p.
NX Go: "tier 1" machine. Handheld with ~4" screen.
NX Go XL: "tier 1" machine. Handheld with ~5" screen.
NX TV: "tier 1" console. Plays all tier 1 games at 720p.
Lots of SKUs, but Nintendo has shown to be fine with it.
MAtgS
Member
NX Pad: Tier 1.5 tablet to tap into the tablet market. More powerful than Go, less powerful than Home/TV. Plus some integration with their mobile games & QoL. Would get kinda silly keeping that all straight.
What do you think this is?
LOL the same info from months ago? I'm talking ubisoft leaks, pics, etc.
Let's be real, Nintendo could come up with 5 different versions of their home console to please everyone and people (dedicated gamers) would still only care about the higher specs one and how it compares to the PS4/Xbone so I don't really see your point.
I expect no bc. Only remasters.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
Member
If I had to pick one, I'd say this is the right answer, but I can see it going both ways.
I find some of the price predictions / expectations for anything on this website hilarious.
Yes, Nintendo's new console will launch between $100-150, and the PSVR will be $150-200, and the HTC Vive will be $200-250, and you can put together a PC to drive it for years for just $300-350.
Anything more than any of those prices and these nasty companies are just gouging you!
I mean, a dinner out with a friend comes to about $100 after wine where I'm at. That's some fucking chicken, potatoes and fermented grapes cooked by people who don't exactly need doctorates to do their jobs. But the technological product of accumulated genius upon genius in chip development over the years to create the APU, the massive undertaking of software engineers in OS design and programming, all that additional hardware (controller etc), all the production costs to put it together, all the R&D, all the minerals it takes to make everything, marketing expenses, the shipping costs, the retailer's cut...
Somehow all of that should add up to about $150 for this thing. Man, I don't understand it. I really don't.
My rule with Nintendo: take what would be best for them or what would make most sense, then add $50. So for the handheld I'm expecting $250, for the console $350. Goes without saying that I think $200 and $300 are far better price points and what I'm hoping for. Either that or multiple SKUs.
Number one factor is that the thing needs to be desirable, though. If you get that right price doesn't matter half as much.
Yes, Nintendo's new console will launch between $100-150, and the PSVR will be $150-200, and the HTC Vive will be $200-250, and you can put together a PC to drive it for years for just $300-350.
Anything more than any of those prices and these nasty companies are just gouging you!
I mean, a dinner out with a friend comes to about $100 after wine where I'm at. That's some fucking chicken, potatoes and fermented grapes cooked by people who don't exactly need doctorates to do their jobs. But the technological product of accumulated genius upon genius in chip development over the years to create the APU, the massive undertaking of software engineers in OS design and programming, all that additional hardware (controller etc), all the production costs to put it together, all the R&D, all the minerals it takes to make everything, marketing expenses, the shipping costs, the retailer's cut...
Somehow all of that should add up to about $150 for this thing. Man, I don't understand it. I really don't.
My rule with Nintendo: take what would be best for them or what would make most sense, then add $50. So for the handheld I'm expecting $250, for the console $350. Goes without saying that I think $200 and $300 are far better price points and what I'm hoping for. Either that or multiple SKUs.
Number one factor is that the thing needs to be desirable, though. If you get that right price doesn't matter half as much.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Not if it's a hybrid.
The Wii U has a high BOM and is a poisoned brand as far as the greater gaming industry is concerned. Even if the NX console is more anemic than the Xbone it will still have more potential than the Wii U. The price point will be very tricky to navigate though. If the NX console is weak then it has to have a much lower price than the Xbone/PS4 or else it'll probably be condemned to the same audience that's already on the Wii U.