That doesn't really make sense though. It's not like Switch is moving to Xbox Live, they're just allowing the two systems to interface. They'll still be making their own Nintendo Network.
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Do you want crossplay on PS4? Make your voices be heard.
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That doesn't really make sense though. It's not like Switch is moving to Xbox Live, they're just allowing the two systems to interface. They'll still be making their own Nintendo Network.
Nintendo has an infrastructure, no matter if you know that or not.
And this wouldn't be a way to save themselves from making one.
SlickShoes
Member
It will encourage PS4 users to play on other platforms and perhaps buy the over priced DLC packs from somewhere other than the PSN Store, which in turn will lose Sony money.
Sony have nothing at all to gain from this, the community for the game is fine as it is as far as they are concerned.
From a consumer point of view then everything being cross play would be amazing, that's the future I want, but Sony are not consumers they are a money making business that will try to make decisions that make them the most money possible.
That's actually the risk they are running by not joining in. The two versions of Minecraft are going to have a chasm in features very shortly unless 4J are working around the clock to play catchup.
The best thing about this that PS4 players are ignoring... cross play would force all platform holders to justify their networks through features and experience, rather than multiplayer cordoning. We have already seen this kind of pressure leading to downloadable games being added to subscriptions and such.
gaming_noob
Member
I hope Sony doesn't follow just for the selfish reason of the possibility for MS to build a stronger business relationship with Nintendo. SNES classics on Game Pass and Halo CE on Switch future
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Chief vs. Samus in Smash!
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
I support crossplay.
When I play Gears 4 I disable crossplay for Versus. The Kb+M is just too good for headphones weapons so id rather play with controllers only.
I do play Horde with Win 10 users all the time and have had great experinces.
I use crossplay for Rocket League. Have had mostly good experinces as it finds more accurate skill based matches for us.
It's a great feature in certain circumstances and should he supported across the board.
I really think the warriors need to look beyond their own weird emotional attachment to certain platform holders and support something that's good for us. The actual players.
When I play Gears 4 I disable crossplay for Versus. The Kb+M is just too good for headphones weapons so id rather play with controllers only.
I do play Horde with Win 10 users all the time and have had great experinces.
I use crossplay for Rocket League. Have had mostly good experinces as it finds more accurate skill based matches for us.
It's a great feature in certain circumstances and should he supported across the board.
I really think the warriors need to look beyond their own weird emotional attachment to certain platform holders and support something that's good for us. The actual players.
You would not have infinite world size, Microsoft dedicated servers, crossbuy, or just about anything from the new Minecraft update. It's essentially the PC version coming to consoles and mobile. PS4 version would be stuck on the simplified console made variant. The community for the game would not be fine, they'd want the best version.
The Minecraft community is massive and rather savvy about the game and keep up to date. They also have a huge media presence on YouTube where they can inform fans and play Minecraft.
By all means make that clear as well. Getting Microsoft to open up crossplay with Steam isn't off the table. Everyone should be able to play with everyone on the same games!
Tumle
Member
I'm all for it.. if they can somehow agree to a unified hub.. so you don't have to login to 30 different services depending on what game you want to play..
If they can make a kind of a UN version ecosystem where steam, Xbox live, PSN and what ever switch system is called would merge I'm all in
If they can make a kind of a UN version ecosystem where steam, Xbox live, PSN and what ever switch system is called would merge I'm all in
There is a weird irony to using dystopian graphics to side with a corporation...
Tyraniboah
Member
Having the lesser version of two of biggest multiplayer games in the world might be a big deal for some. Rocket League isn't on Minecraft's level obviously, but Minecraft is for this generation of children what Mario was for many of us twenty years ago. For those kids seeking a game console to play Minecraft and a handful of other games on, an Xbox One or Switch will be the first choice when they ask their parents....or anybody that's a big Minecraft fan really. Will it turn the tide for Xbox sales? No, but if I'm a part of Sony then I'm taking a time to look at every lost sale of a PlayStation product.
I guarantee you already play against some mouse users on console and just don't know it
How true is it that Sony doesn't see PC as competition?
https://www.theguardian.com/technol...o-our-approach-isnt-reactive-this-time-around
https://www.theguardian.com/technol...o-our-approach-isnt-reactive-this-time-around
Randall365
Member
What about options? Allow it and let the players decide if they want to enable or disable it.
Yeah that would be preferable. I just wouldn't expect it. Mouse and FPS are pretty huge advantages against the average player.
binarymelon
Member
Is anyone able to reach out to some gaming journalists or youtubers to get some retweets?
Always-honest
Banned
Willing to vote yes for people who like that stuff. I couldn't care less myself.
I'll do an article for my little site. I'll probably get death threats and cussed to oblivion as is usually the case but screw it!
psychowave
Member
I honestly can't imagine what life must be like for people who are so invested in what other people think about their favorite multinational company that they have to bring up shitty things other multinational companies did in the past to defend them on the Internet.
This is brilliant.
This is brilliant.
True, but would we notice any difference? If you suck now against good players on console, you'll still suck against PC players?
+Not everyone on PC is a skilled mouse/kb player.
We can already take a look at some data from Gears of War 4 Versus crossplay. Win/Lose ratios and average deaths didn't change significantly to be even mentioned. Keep in mind that you'll also have PC players on your team.
TheSpecialOne
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Nice try op, but compared to the used game fiasco at the start of the generation, this is highly irrelevant. As such, I won't be supporting this initiative.
Duncan Bannatyne, ladies and gentlemen.
Sony
Nintendo
Gears of War 4 has PC and Xbox crossplay. Not for comptetitive multiplayer, but for Horde.
No it's not. If it was you'd have standing to take this to trial. If there was previously cross play and then it was taken away after your purchase I can see that being anti consumer.
I guarantee if I made a thread saying MS should port Halo to Ps4 to increase the player base I'd get juinored and most disagreeing with me. No exclusives is another way to increase player base. Also making all games F2P. And we know how much GAF loves free to play games.
Because increased player base is all you're really getting from crossplay in most cases. Minecraft would be the exception not the rule.
Most of you are using the best case scenario to argue for it. Painting a picture that you'll boot up COD and have a friend's list across all consoles. Activision can't be bothered to have dedicated server when COD was at it's peak but they'd be willing to host an Xbox live equivalent service now? Good luck with managing all those subscription fees.
Also just noticed the mentions of #nops4drm. Are people still claiming that as successfully stopping PS4 DRM?
Daffy Duck
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Signed.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Currently for social versus, coming to ranked this year.
binarymelon
Member
"Do you want crossplay on PS4?"
No, but I'm going to shit all over everyone that does.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
What the fuck?
Interesting, I didn't know there was actual data on that. I'd really like to see stats on a game like Battlefield or something. I'd imagine long range snipers battles would heavily favor a mouse user but tank/plane combat might sway towards controller.
depths20XX
Member
I thought some games like SFV already had crossplay?
Ultimately I don't really care because if I'm gonna play online it's probably on PC.
Ultimately I don't really care because if I'm gonna play online it's probably on PC.
Jeff Freecss
Member
Yes Please! I would like to play with my PS4 friends!!!
nowheretorun
Member
I really can't understand the whole issue with this.
What is so good about crossplay outside of a very small minority of people who'd like to use it when it makes better business sense (especially against your main competitor) to not? Before I am berated as to why this is not the case, then I can only answer that Sony must think so because they aren't doing it and I'd assume they'd know their business quite well...
What the hell is wrong with that?
I'd rather Sony was grilled to fuck over the shitty arse and extremely distasteful manner in their no communication as to lack of SS for Pro for 1080p owners. After all, that cost £350 to those consumers who have been 'baited & switched' whereas what people are complaining about here is a feature one wouldn't or shouldn't really expect when purchasing a console 'of choice' - and it hasn't cost them £350 for it's inability to do so/nor was it suggested to be the norm before they bought it.
Or to be grilled over showing games many years before they come out; or lack of first party games released 4 years into a consoles cycle; or why GTSport has taken 4 years to come out and is half of the normal size; or why the DS4 is a P.O.S that has faults (several) by design meaning I've got to keep buying new ones; or why a lot of ps+ games have not really been what a lot of people wanted....and so on.
Sounds more like 'smart' marketing from Microsoft to try and discredit Sony in the eyes of gamers than a feature we should expect. Perhaps I could suggest Microsoft should be less concerned about what others are not doing and more concerned about what 'they' should be doing? - Microsoft how about stop fucking around with crossplay bullshit and give me some AAA 1st Party Exclusives instead? See? Sounds just as 'entitled'...
Sorry if that offends some in a sense where it sounds like I'm saying 'it doesn't affect me so I don't give a fuck' because that is not the case at all and I certainly don't agree with that kind of attitude at all. However, in this case I can genuinely see why Sony is entitled to not do crossplay and is nothing at all like the other shitty practices they've become accustomed to.
As it happens however, I'm still glad people are complaining about this to a degree because the more flack Sony gets (even if I don't agree), the more they can get the finger out of their arses and hopefully sort of more important issues I mentioned above, imo, of course, that will prompt others to complain about as well.
What is so good about crossplay outside of a very small minority of people who'd like to use it when it makes better business sense (especially against your main competitor) to not? Before I am berated as to why this is not the case, then I can only answer that Sony must think so because they aren't doing it and I'd assume they'd know their business quite well...
What the hell is wrong with that?
I'd rather Sony was grilled to fuck over the shitty arse and extremely distasteful manner in their no communication as to lack of SS for Pro for 1080p owners. After all, that cost £350 to those consumers who have been 'baited & switched' whereas what people are complaining about here is a feature one wouldn't or shouldn't really expect when purchasing a console 'of choice' - and it hasn't cost them £350 for it's inability to do so/nor was it suggested to be the norm before they bought it.
Or to be grilled over showing games many years before they come out; or lack of first party games released 4 years into a consoles cycle; or why GTSport has taken 4 years to come out and is half of the normal size; or why the DS4 is a P.O.S that has faults (several) by design meaning I've got to keep buying new ones; or why a lot of ps+ games have not really been what a lot of people wanted....and so on.
Sounds more like 'smart' marketing from Microsoft to try and discredit Sony in the eyes of gamers than a feature we should expect. Perhaps I could suggest Microsoft should be less concerned about what others are not doing and more concerned about what 'they' should be doing? - Microsoft how about stop fucking around with crossplay bullshit and give me some AAA 1st Party Exclusives instead? See? Sounds just as 'entitled'...
Sorry if that offends some in a sense where it sounds like I'm saying 'it doesn't affect me so I don't give a fuck' because that is not the case at all and I certainly don't agree with that kind of attitude at all. However, in this case I can genuinely see why Sony is entitled to not do crossplay and is nothing at all like the other shitty practices they've become accustomed to.
As it happens however, I'm still glad people are complaining about this to a degree because the more flack Sony gets (even if I don't agree), the more they can get the finger out of their arses and hopefully sort of more important issues I mentioned above, imo, of course, that will prompt others to complain about as well.
This is prefect but one thing shouldn't be there atm.
"Baby steps to cross platform chat/party"
This is a completely separate issue to cross-play and is something they will be harder/not likely to even happen because it's effects to a platform/ecosystem.(By that I mean in a streamline fashion to current console chat systems and not a par game support thing).
Psyonix said:
I'd read through the thread if you're looking for very good reasons for crossplay. One of them being an increased player base specifically for people living in regions with low amounts of players.
As far as Sony's other sins I agree that they have been far from perfect but that's not the focus of this thread.
Same goes for Microsoft. The hope here is with two big games getting crossplay that it will become a new standard. Talking about how other issues are more important is kinda off topic.
That was more an indication of the willing. Meaning without cross play, there's far less incentive to try and make a solution. If we get over this hill, then maybe a few more doors open
A simple fix for that would be a discord app for consoles. At least I think that would work fuck if I know.
binarymelon
Member
You're definitely right there's more of an uphill battle when it comes to something like that, but I still think it's definitely coming at some point. More than likely in the form of a 3rd party user account system. Either way, Sony is definitely swimming against the tide on this.
AyraSutoraifu
Member
Very cool, thanks for digging that up. I would love to see more examples of this.