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Does Final Fantasy have the most negative fanbase out there?
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CuckFupertino
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The negativity around the franchise and its developer stems from Square-Enix's inability to engage its fan base. Square as a company seemed oblivious to the Final Fantasy 7 troll in '14 (although I think Hashimoto was having a good time!). Likewise, all the hype and build up for the 30th anniversary event resulted in almost nothing substantial. While the company's output may be on the turn around, they continue to drop the ball when it comes to having PR capitalize on that momentum.
I suspect part of that disconnect comes from the fact that Square is a company run in Japan with executives who don't necessarily have their finger on the pulse of their audience. You wonder why companies like Blizzard don't get the same scrutiny or backlash SE does, but the answer seems obvious: Blizzard knows how to communicate and engage with their fan base in a way Square-Enix never has.
I wish Square-Enix had something even as competent as Nintendo of America with a Reggie-like face to the company in the US and a group like Nintendo Treehouse. I'm shocked other Japanese companies haven't emulated things like Nintendo Directs.
I suspect part of that disconnect comes from the fact that Square is a company run in Japan with executives who don't necessarily have their finger on the pulse of their audience. You wonder why companies like Blizzard don't get the same scrutiny or backlash SE does, but the answer seems obvious: Blizzard knows how to communicate and engage with their fan base in a way Square-Enix never has.
I wish Square-Enix had something even as competent as Nintendo of America with a Reggie-like face to the company in the US and a group like Nintendo Treehouse. I'm shocked other Japanese companies haven't emulated things like Nintendo Directs.
This is a good nomination. I think people forgot because SF4 brought in so many new people with no longing for previous games in the series that it got drowned out somewhat, but SF has long had one of the most negative communities in gaming. Everyone loves the game they first got really good at, respects the older games, and hates the newer games.
People aren't lying when they talk about Resident Evil though.
I don't think it is as bad as Final Fantasy (since Final Fantasy has so much more mainline games) but there are huge splits within that series with the few mainline games out there. It's insane. I've enjoyed my time with all of them, much like Final Fantasy, so it can be a struggle too.
I don't think it is as bad as Final Fantasy (since Final Fantasy has so much more mainline games) but there are huge splits within that series with the few mainline games out there. It's insane. I've enjoyed my time with all of them, much like Final Fantasy, so it can be a struggle too.
wvnative
Member
This perfectly sums up my feelings.
I'm thrilled with most recent games and excited for all of what's on the way.
I only wish I could enjoy my favorite franchise with others, but no, gotta be a cesspool of whiney ass brats.
IX was the biggest mess of them all though. The only one that's painful to play because the gameplay was so bad.
I think most of the friction between Final Fantasy fans is mostly due to the stand alone nature of each title. There are FFs that you will like and ones that you won't. It all boils down to fans arguing with other fans liking one that another fan dislikes rather than simply being fine with the understanding that not every FF will satisfy them. Combining that with the longer development times it raises the emotional aspect of each release which makes the chances of discussion turning toxic all the more likely.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
be real though, the games from 1-9 are not this giant departure from each other that people like to claim. Even 10 only had the loss of the world map, other than that it feels very familiar. It wasn't until XI that the games diverged down a very different path, until you reach XV that has really nothing in common with the older games other than the summons names and chocobos
I think they are doing better with this. Yoshi-P actively engages with his audience for the better of his saga and you really feel like you are connected to that world. Tabata, for all his issues, is constantly curious about feedback and regularly tries to correct any issues (even working on a game after it was released to please the fans of the game). I hope the rest of the company is working towards this direction. Nomura is so elusive and secretive and Toriyama is self-indulgent. They need a figurehead like Sakaguchi to resonate with the fans but I think Yoshi-P and Tabata are doing a good job with that.
royox
Member
There's something missing from that line
Whatever...
But see, this is the kind of blanket statement that makes fighting happen in the first place.
Say what you want about RE5, but it's not "a mess." The game had a vision and a tone that it executed perfectly. It was also a really polished game that improved on certain aspects of its predecessor.
Calling RE5 "shit" it's doing it a disservice. It's a really good game that's often given shit for not being Resident Evil enough on some people's arbitrary scale of what RE is supposed to be.
Altered Juice
Member
Every game being different and Square Enix dropping the ball with mainline development after the successful Final Fantasy XI
3 games in a row where the producer/director left the project. Jesus
3 games in a row where the producer/director left the project. Jesus
You are 100% correct, but no matter how many times you say that there will be people who aren't reasonable. And that's why people say the dumbest shit whenever discussing long running franchises like Final Fantasy or Metal Gear or Resident Evil.
UserDoesNotExist
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OP, have you ever played any online game?
Go play FF14. Then go play *any* other MMO. Come back and tell us how toxic the FF fan base is.
Go play FF14. Then go play *any* other MMO. Come back and tell us how toxic the FF fan base is.
You're all extremely sheltered if you think FF has the most negative fan base. You must literally only dwell in FF threads.
royox
Member
You don't know what pure rage is till you play a Lalafell and you have a "X person Pats you" on the chat every 10 seconds.
I'm supposed to be edgy and badass not CUTE god dammit
What? Look at the reaction of FF fans to XV. It was a terrible game and they received it rapturously. If anything they're too soft, too positive.
For a really negative fanbase, look at metroid. Nintendo revealed Fed Force and the fans went on a long and sustained campaign to have it cancelled (not changed, cancelled), bombed dislikes on any social media marketing for the game, and then (and this is the important and rare part) steadfastly refused to buy it, killing it as a product. The entire way they let everyone know how shit the series has become.
Now THAT'S negative.
(Considering what Nintendo has done with Metroid it's completely warranted imo)
Final Fantasy fans bickering over which game is the best or worst is nowhere near the same league.
For a really negative fanbase, look at metroid. Nintendo revealed Fed Force and the fans went on a long and sustained campaign to have it cancelled (not changed, cancelled), bombed dislikes on any social media marketing for the game, and then (and this is the important and rare part) steadfastly refused to buy it, killing it as a product. The entire way they let everyone know how shit the series has become.
Now THAT'S negative.
(Considering what Nintendo has done with Metroid it's completely warranted imo)
Final Fantasy fans bickering over which game is the best or worst is nowhere near the same league.
Salty Rice
Member
The only negative thing about the fanbase are the people who think FF7 is one of the best games ever made what is not the case.
Its not even the best FF game.
Its not even the best FF game.
Man Called Aerodynamics
Member
You should really use the official, correct name of the race, which is "popoto."
Disagree Guy
Member
This is the most incorrect thing I will read all day
GeordieMark
Member
Personally, I think the series gets too much praise. Its been going downhill for years, and seems to survive mostly on the hopes and dreams of fans that the next instalment will be a return to glory. The fact that everyone pines for a remake of a 20 year old game says the series peaked a long long time ago.
Sure is opinions in here
Gai Murakumo
Member
I think the Sonic fanbase is much worse.
There are extreme die hards but even they can get very angry depending on which direction it goes. Even Mania had a bevy of irate comments.
Get out with this shit dude, please.
callmeCata
Banned
That's cute, I play mobas
UserDoesNotExist
Member
Oh, wook at the wittle Dark Knight, how scary! Yes you are! Yes you are! Grrrrrrrrrr!
Do moba fans hate the games or mostly just hate each other?
Makoto Yuki
Banned
Yup, I appreciate, or at least try to, each entry for what it is. Though you will always have "fans" who will complain about the entries that don't line up with their tastes.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Surprised I don't see more Halo mentions here.
DarkConfidant
Member
No, Smash Bros fans are the worst!
No, it's us.
fallingdove
Member
Nah - there are communities that are far more toxic. Halo and Team Fortress for starters.
I actually think that non-Final Fantasy fans actually drive a lot of the negativity. Final Fantasy, while it is one of the most popular and well known JRPG series - it still has a ton of niche elements to its story structure and gameplay.
I hear a lot more whine and negativity from non-final fantasy fans than I do gamers who have actually played and enjoy a number of entries in the series.
I actually think that non-Final Fantasy fans actually drive a lot of the negativity. Final Fantasy, while it is one of the most popular and well known JRPG series - it still has a ton of niche elements to its story structure and gameplay.
I hear a lot more whine and negativity from non-final fantasy fans than I do gamers who have actually played and enjoy a number of entries in the series.
Vostranoid
Neo Member
Go and play any competitive multiplayer online game, give up on humanity, then reconsider this opinion.
callmeCata
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MulderYuffie
Member
Sonic
callmeCata
Banned
That is hard to say with the output they have to cope with.
Holundrian
Unconfirmed Member
Deep inside we all hate ourselves for our self destructive addiction.
JK, honestly mobas have helped me actually improve as a person mentally and be at peace with things you have no control over while doubling down on things you can control.