DeepEnigma
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Well yeah, of course, and it makes their ecosystem more BC and easier switch to games as a service based platform... but I am sure that was not the intent of the original statement I quoted.
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Eurogamer: Independently confirms source that the PS4.5 is real, referred as PS 4K
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Well yeah, of course, and it makes their ecosystem more BC and easier switch to games as a service based platform... but I am sure that was not the intent of the original statement I quoted.
Xbox One GPU is the 7790 with 2CU disabled & lower clock ,that GPU was made because of Xbox One & the same with the GPUs that had 8ACEs & they was made because of the PS4.
dr_rus
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They didn't. Neither PS4's nor XBO's APUs are present in PC space. And even if we take their GPU part only - which is a stretch already - there are no GCN GPUs with the same specs on PC market.
Bonaire GPU has a 128 bit GDDR5 memory bus. XBO APU is 256 bit DDR3. They are not the same.
Aswitch
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If current pcs with beefy graphics cards can barely dole out 4K resolution smoothly at max resolution, i doubt a console would be able to without any loopholes or engineering trickery whether it be upscaling etc. I think this revision is soley for improving the VR experience in my opinion. That seems the most likely. To my knowledge the PS4 can currently play 4K media already so unless 4k gaming and/or existing games running much better is supported, i don't see any huge selling point to this console over the original PS4. I would definitely be more interested to see if Xbox one follows suite since it's inferior from a technical standpoint and would benefit the most from this form of console revisioning.
7790 came late & featured true audio & had the 2 ACEs with up to 16 jobs this was the GPU used for Xbox One it just had a lower clock & 2 CUs disable.
GhostTrick
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Or not ? Both MS and Sony just shopped some GCN designs at AMD's labs. Hd7790 wasnt made because of Xbox One. It was made because GCN is a scalable architecture and AMD needed to had a variety of price point entries.
Same for the Hawaii GPUs, namely R9 290 and 290X. The fact that these two have more ACE has nothing to do with PS4.
I dont think it works like this at all. More like AMD has an architecture and release a wide variety of GPUs with a scalable number of GCN cores. Thats why you have GPUs with 12, 16, 18, 20, 26, 28, 32, 40 or even 64 CUs.
LurkingFear
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They are a public company. They can't comment on rumors and speculation, because their responses can cause changes in their stock value [and other disruptions].
Current situation for all 3 upcoming platforms is:
- Nintendo vaguely talked that "NX platform" will try to unify development between different hardware SKUs, which could be interpreted not only as handheld <> home console unification, but also cross-generational.
- Microsoft straight up openly promised they will start doing mid-generational upgrades. Since they are not doing so hot with Xbone, that is a move that could benefit them much if it gets executed well.
Phil Spencer: "You'll actually see us come out with new hardware capability during a generation allowing the same games to run backward and forward compatible..." - Sony is currently experiencing a stream of leaks that paint a broad picture of a upgraded PS4 console that can run the same basic PS4 games. We don't know if this will be via smaller PS4 APU that can run on higher clockspeeds, or via brand new stronger APU that uses Polaris GPU module.
As it stands now, all 3 console platform holders are seemingly moving toward the same goal - establishing platforms that can host applications that are not tied to specific hardware.
While PS4K can still be just a higher clocked PS4 APU inside "PS4 Slim" body, Xbone definetley needs much stronger hardware. They will IMO 100% opt for a brand new APU.
dr_rus
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Bonaire is a completely difference chip. The shader core may be similar to what is used in XBO but that's it - and shader core is the easiest part of a GPU to reconfigure as it is natively scalable.
mckmas8808
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They are winning! Sony cant be overly concerned with MS' roadmap. Xbox doesn't have a VR headset coming out either.
TheLaughingStock
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Seems like a good idea if it's not 4k gaming attempt at current fidelity in console box.
I don't think it would hurt Sony to remain vigilant and test ideas like this. Also, I won't be surprised in the slightest at the next Xbox supporting the Rift.
Larogue
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I remember making similar thread back in 2015, everyone was laughing at the idea.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1068117
Now its a reality.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1068117
Now its a reality.
You wasn't kidding when you said everyone was laughing at you lol the whole 1st page is really people laughing.
platina
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My prediction (taking into account what Zoetis has already said as far as assets being exactly the same and that it's just being upresd).
No visible difference in:
- Texture Quality
- Shaders
- Post Processing...etc
Unless a game is specifically made to take advantage of this new bonus power (according to the know there is such game being developed as we speak and is going to be unveiled at e3). The majority of time though the main difference will come down to upres 1080p-4k, double framerate (30-60) for all upcoming ps4 games. Would be interesting so see how much the framerate will increase in games already out running on unlocked framerates like Killzone, and Infamous. And the last solution would be (imo the best outcome) supersampling the 1080p game or using equivalent of 8xmsaa along with a post process aa solution all while running 60fps the majority of time.
Tearaway uses this solution and it is the cleanest looking game on ps4 I've played so far:
Barely any jaggies to be seen, this aa solution is what I expect at the very least for all ps4k games.
No visible difference in:
- Texture Quality
- Shaders
- Post Processing...etc
Unless a game is specifically made to take advantage of this new bonus power (according to the know there is such game being developed as we speak and is going to be unveiled at e3). The majority of time though the main difference will come down to upres 1080p-4k, double framerate (30-60) for all upcoming ps4 games. Would be interesting so see how much the framerate will increase in games already out running on unlocked framerates like Killzone, and Infamous. And the last solution would be (imo the best outcome) supersampling the 1080p game or using equivalent of 8xmsaa along with a post process aa solution all while running 60fps the majority of time.
Tearaway uses this solution and it is the cleanest looking game on ps4 I've played so far:
Barely any jaggies to be seen, this aa solution is what I expect at the very least for all ps4k games.
I didn't post in that thread, but sorry GAF doubted you! Actually a lot of those replies were pretty rude and condescending.
Maybe it just goes to show how crazy this idea was just like a month or two ago even and how unbelievable it was.
Funny how that works out huh? You now have the last laugh sir.
Lockjaw333
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Jesus that first page. A lot of those comments are super rude too.
Good call. Maybe Phil read your post!
Goes to show most people on Gaf don't know shit.
...Scatter...
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I always thought it was a great idea. We were on the same wavelength.
Hawk269
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I wish I could find my posts, but I had similar thoughts about was is happening a while back as well and like you got ridiculed and laughed at because of the thoughts. Based on the rumors and Phil Spencer's comments, some of these things are becoming a reality. In my posts (again I wish I could find them) I mentioned about forward compatibility and how games will just read what system they are running and will default to the baseline system or the high end system. We will see however since nothing has been 100% confirmed, just a lot of different sites claiming to have sources that say it is happening.
Yep. Another great example of when people deserve to be called out. "LOL not going to happen!" I mean granted, it still might not but people sure do love to act like they know all and if you disagree, laughing at you.
jeff_rigby
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My prediction (taking into account what Zoetis has already said as far as assets being exactly the same and that it's just being upresd).
No visible difference in:
- Texture Quality
- Shaders
- Post Processing...etc
Unless a game is specifically made to take advantage of this new bonus power (according to the know there is such game being developed as we speak and is going to be unveiled at e3). The majority of time though the main difference will come down to upres 1080p-4k, double framerate (30-60) for all upcoming ps4 games. Would be interesting so see how much the framerate will increase in games already out running on unlocked framerates like Killzone, and Infamous. And the last solution would be (imo the best outcome) supersampling the 1080p game or using equivalent of 8xmsaa along with a post process aa solution all while running 60fps the majority of time.
Tearaway uses this solution and it is the cleanest looking game on ps4 I've played so far:
Barely any jaggies to be seen, this aa solution is what I expect at the very least for all ps4k games.
Implications if Xtensa IVP DPU is in the PS4 Southbridge Is a Firmware update in October not a faster PS4 what this rumor is about?
Post processing for Anti Alias and upscaling to 4K would be done by the DPU when APIs are provided by Sony and the Firmware is updated
Move and camera processing done by the DPU with no overhead on the GAME APU
Additional Floating point accelerators (GPGPU) that could be used for the game. Collision detection
Ray-casting intersection calculations for lighting
Because of the above, the DPU gives the PS4 and XB1 an additional advantage over dGPUs in PCs.
http://www.bdti.com/InsideDSP/2013/03/14/Tensilica
Only 1.4 years too early this time.
Chû Totoro
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castaction
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now you can laugh jeff_rigby
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The same or similar hardware are in AMD APUs, the XB1 and for sure in Carizzio and the new VR dGPUs. OpenVX calls can use this hardware.
I speculated that GTA would use this hardware (OpenVX had just been released by Khronos) and I was wrong. Why didn't Sony provide APIs to this hardware including True Audio with developers still using a CPU for Audio...why a little over a 1 year wait; because there were too few platforms supporting it and easy game ports to PCs wouldn't want to use the new and rare hardware. If this is true then AMD and Microsoft will support this about October too. This hardware (Xtensa accelerators) can also support HEVC, and parts of the UHD Blu-ray digital bridge.
Negotiator
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Gotta love his speculations, eh?
Herb Alpert
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All these reactions... Lol
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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I had to CTRL+F myself in all the pages. Sigh of relief I didn't participate in that thread lol.
CrispyBoar
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I was referring to consoles.
You really think that most publishers are going to neglect 37+ million PS4 owners in favor of an upgraded console just because of more graphics? Ha, ha ha ha, ha!
farmerboy
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They must have bred well during the mating season.
Might need to cull the population;-)
nahhh....for what its worth I love seeing Jeff stir the pot
texhnolyze
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Most people seem to (still) think that switching from the current gen medium-high 1080p/30fps to high-ultra 1080p/60fps would be easy and achievable with a $400 machine.
/shrug
/shrug
funkystudent
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If the big marketing push for it will be 4K you can bet Sony and 3rd parties will prioritise going for higher resolutions over 60fps.
Not sure how much actual graphical quality will improve but I guess I can see things being a bit better
Ohhh. What if the new hardware can actually take advantage of SSDs finally? THAT would actually be a game changer.
Douche McBaggins The 3rd
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Jeff Rigby is like a mad scientist. Lots of stuff but only trinkets gleamed. It's like reading a doctoral thesis as an elementary school kid.
bitbydeath
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Where is the $400 figure coming from?
Mushroomer25
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The Know claimed that the updated Ps4 would hit this Fall at $400. People seem to have latched onto that number.
Personally, I think $500 is more likely. Establish this SKU as a meaningful advancement in the tech, and significantly different from the existing units.
AstroNut325
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Yeah. That was straight up asshole behavior from most people in that thread. And that modbot lock post is downright insulting.
bitbydeath
Member
Saw that one, thought I might have missed someone a bit more credible saying it.
funkystudent
Member
Yeah I can totally see $500.
I think if the current PS4 is staying around indefinitely then I can see them charging 500 for PS4K and 300 for PS4 regular (maybe in a slim model by the holidays)
A 100 price difference would be a bit too close. At that point they are probably better off phasing out the current PS4 entirely and only sell the PS4k after old stock is sold off.
POWERSPHERE
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More power to help out VR is a good move
bitbydeath
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$400 seems like the minimum possible figure, I don't expect them to go over $1000 though.
$500 would be a dumb move at the moment if they plan for it to be the new standard PS4.
I think it's going to be from $349 - $399.
& $399 might be because it's going to be a 1TB HDD or the PlayStation Camera packed in.
bitbydeath
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Wouldn't the standard be the current SKU and the 4K be the high end model?
The only way PS4K would be the standard is if they stop selling the current SKU and leave only the 4K version on shelves.
Having a high end model likely means it will be priced as such.
wonderful103
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This gentleman is certainly on the right track. Platform as a service model is what everyone wants while consoles are still around
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