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[Obliterator]

I meam this was clear cut open and shut case. I know police officers who think this was straight pre meditated murder

 

[whipihguh]

Isn't a cop supposed to control themselves and their actions when in the heat of the moment? Isn't that the whole point of having cops upholding the law rather than just random citizens?

Absolutely no reason for the judge to excuse the officer's words just because of it being a heated incident. If anything, it's all the more damning.

This whole system is broken to the core.

 

[krazen]

This shit is whistling like a motherfucker.

Gotta love he threw in the word 'Urban''. Thankfully suburban drug dealers are much better behaved, lol

 

[WickedLaharl]

We need more Christopher Dorners

Wtf is wrong with you

 

[Goro Majima]

Isn't a cop supposed to control themselves and their actions when in the heat of the moment? Isn't that the whole point of having cops upholding the law rather than just random citizens?

Absolutely no reason for the judge to excuse the officer's words just because of it being a heated incident. If anything, it's all the more damning.

This whole system is broken to the core.

Well there's a massive issue with police culture that perpetuates this kind of behavior. Past that, I always wonder if a lot of the problem stems from low pay (which only attracts certain types of individuals to that career) and hiring veterans who may or may not have PTSD or poor judgment from a career serving overseas in a hostile envrionment and then bringing that baggage into the job.

In an ideal world, all cops would have something like a psychology degree but I'm guessing that would be too expensive?

 

[Ponn]

White supremacy protects it's own. Wish people would understand this.

Things have gotten more volatile though and that's the crazy part is there willing to fan these flames and put all their supposed "brotherhood" in danger of retribution just to protect "the bad ones" I mean it shows how false #notallcops is and how far they are willing to go to be complicit. I'm not saying I wish or want something to happen but as we've seen in the past couple years some people are being pushed to the edge now. And instead of looking at these key events that are the fuse when something does happen everybody will suddenly come down with memories of goldfish and blame BLM or now antifa.

They want to have a trial and discuss when cops kill, and put the victims on trial and their history. But its inappropriate and "not the time" to discuss when retribution hits the police. There's nothing to discuss for some strange reason except BLM incited the incident. Ignoring it won't make it stop, but I'm wondering how long will the supposedly good cops keep protecting their own when shit keeps getting escalated. And the morbid irony of the ones doing the escalation usually aren't even on the front lines standing by them anymore.

 

[Insane Metal]

Fuck this judge.

This is fucking unbelievable. What that hell man.

 

[appaws]

One of the problems here, from a legal point of view, is overcharging. These first-degree murder charges are often demanded by the public, but it makes it very hard to prosecute the case. The pressure to always go for the highest charge can put prosecutors in a big bind.

I am not totally familiar with the case, but I think I would have charged second-degree here, and had a better chance of meeting the standard. (I've only just glanced at the Missouri statutes for like five minutes.)

 

[norm9]

So cop said I'm going to kill you, and then a little later kills you.

 

[whatsinaname]

One of the problems here, from a legal point of view, is overcharging. These first-degree murder charges are often demanded by the public, but it makes it very hard to prosecute the case. The pressure to always go for the highest charge can put prosecutors in a big bind.

I am not totally familiar with the case, but I think I would have charged second-degree here, and had a better chance of meeting the standard. (I've only just glanced at the Missouri statutes for like five minutes.)

Nah, I see the overcharging as the prosecutors helping the defendants. It is not unintentional.

 

[Dr. Benton Quest]

Nah, I see the overcharging as the prosecutors helping the defendants. It is not unintentional.

Yeah, the DA's office works with cops every day. They're trying to help the defense 90% of the time.

 

[Kill3r7]

One of the problems here, from a legal point of view, is overcharging. These first-degree murder charges are often demanded by the public, but it makes it very hard to prosecute the case. The pressure to always go for the highest charge can put prosecutors in a big bind.

I am not totally familiar with the case, but I think I would have charged second-degree here, and had a better chance of meeting the standard. (I've only just glanced at the Missouri statutes for like five minutes.)

Nah, I see the overcharging as the prosecutors helping the defendants. It is not unintentional.

I don't think it would matter as the D would still be able to establish self-defense. The prosecution would likely still fail due to their inability to prove that he planted the gun.

 

[Mark L]

One of the problems here, from a legal point of view, is overcharging. These first-degree murder charges are often demanded by the public, but it makes it very hard to prosecute the case. The pressure to always go for the highest charge can put prosecutors in a big bind.

I am not totally familiar with the case, but I think I would have charged second-degree here, and had a better chance of meeting the standard. (I've only just glanced at the Missouri statutes for like five minutes.)

Wrongo. The judge had discretion to hit him with a lower charge.

Edit: http://fox2now.com/2017/09/14/judge-has-leeway-in-stockley-decision/

 

[appaws]

Nah, I see the overcharging as the prosecutors helping the defendants. It is not unintentional.

Of course that is possible in some cases. There are corrupt prosecutors out there. Seems unlikely here, as the prosecution fought the move to a bench trial by the defense in this case.

The First Degree murder hurdle is intentionally set high, and I assume most Gaffers would support that if the defendant was not a cop.

I think they could have gotten this one by being a little more conservative.

 

[Mark L]

Of course that is possible in some cases. There are corrupt prosecutors out there. Seems unlikely here, as the prosecution fought the move to a bench trial by the defense in this case.

The First Degree murder hurdle is intentionally set high, and I assume most Gaffers would support that if the defendant was not a cop.

I think they could have gotten this one by being a little more conservative.

No. See above.

The only hurdle that's high here is convicting a white cop of killing a black man.

 

[Dr. Benton Quest]

Wrongo. The judge had discretion to hit him with a lower charge.

It was advantageous to the judge to keep the charge though. He doesn't have to pretzel so hard to rule not guilty on First Degree Murder.

I think they could have gotten this one by being a little more conservative.

I think you're naive.

 

[gdt]

This judge seems like a racist wacko. None of those arguments make sense, and quite a few sound like whistles.

 

[appaws]

Wrongo. The judge had discretion to hit him with a lower charge.

Edit: http://fox2now.com/2017/09/14/judge-has-leeway-in-stockley-decision/

Yes he did. But as you learn in criminal trial classes, it's dangerous to lean on that. Judges are often reluctant to do it. You need to charge where you have your best case.

Trust me, I've been there.

 

[Beaver Mucus]

Long time lurker here, and I know gaf is a tad left and I've stayed quiet but recent comments are just.. nope.

If the police say tell you to lay down, you do it, simple as fuck.
You don't start to argue, just don't, just do as they tell you.

Then, if you feel you're wronged, you deal with it after.

Use your brain, but if you're being chased by the cops you have done something wrong.

 

[appaws]

It was advantageous to the judge to keep the charge though. He doesn't have to pretzel so hard to rule not guilty on First Degree Murder.

Exactly

 

[Mark L]

Yes he did. But as you learn in criminal trial classes, it's dangerous to lean on that. Judges are often reluctant to do it. You need to charge where you have your best case.

Trust me, I've been there.

If you think that this judge would have found this defendant guilty on a lesser charge if it had been brought by the prosecution, but did not choose to exercise that discretion to make that happen himself, then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Dr. Benton Quest]

Long time lurker here, and I know gaf is a tad left and I've stayed quiet but recent comments are just.. nope.

If the police say tell you to lay down, you do it, simple as fuck.
You don't start to argue, just don't, just do as they tell you.

Then, if you feel you're wronged, you deal with it after.

Use your brain, but if you're being chased by the cops you have done something wrong.

"Long time lurker"

Fuck your alt. You're a goddamn coward.

 

[norm9]

Use your brain, but if you're being chased by the cops you have done something wrong.

Nah man, people run because they don't wanna die.

 

[BobTheFork]

if you're being chased by the cops you have done something wrong.

wow

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Long time lurker here, and I know gaf is a tad left and I've stayed quiet but recent comments are just.. nope.

If the police say tell you to lay down, you do it, simple as fuck.
You don't start to argue, just don't, just do as they tell you.

Then, if you feel you're wronged, you deal with it after.

Use your brain, but if you're being chased by the cops you have done something wrong.

Until they shoot you anyway for following directions.

Works great if you're white, though. They may even give you a reach around after.

 

[inky]

Use your brain, but if you're being chased by the cops you have done something wrong.

Yeah, like being born with the wrong skin color.

Fuck off.

 

[Doomsayer]

Long time lurker here, and I know gaf is a tad left and I've stayed quiet but recent comments are just.. nope.

If the police say tell you to lay down, you do it, simple as fuck.
You don't start to argue, just don't, just do as they tell you.

Then, if you feel you're wronged, you deal with it after.

Use your brain, but if you're being chased by the cops you have done something wrong.

He was killed and they planted a gun in his car.

Go fuck yourself.

 

[Mark L]

Long time lurker here, and I know gaf is a tad left and I've stayed quiet but recent comments are just.. nope.

If the police say tell you to lay down, you do it, simple as fuck.
You don't start to argue, just don't, just do as they tell you.

Then, if you feel you're wronged, you deal with it after.

Use your brain, but if you're being chased by the cops you have done something wrong.

None of that is at issue here. Stop talking.

 

[Jmanunknown]

So St.Louis residents get ready for the next stage of the police officer murders black man gets off then family files a multi million dollar wrongful death law suit and state settles. Tax payers foot the bill for state sponsored murder. The only way to solve this problem because the majority of people refuse to address this problem to is make the wrongful death law suit settlements so outrageous that it breaks the city's budgets.

 

[kris.]

Long time lurker here, and I know gaf is a tad left and I've stayed quiet but recent comments are just.. nope.

If the police say tell you to lay down, you do it, simple as fuck.
You don't start to argue, just don't, just do as they tell you.

Then, if you feel you're wronged, you deal with it after.

Use your brain, but if you're being chased by the cops you have done something wrong.

Get the actual fuck out of here.

 

[eBay Huckster]

Use your brain

okay, burner account

 

[Chie Satonaka]

I'm honestly surprised no one has taken justice into their own hands at this point. Police and the judiciary are basically advocating for wild west style justice, ie: whoever holds the smoking gun while still standing is the victor.

I keep asking what you do when the system proves on a consistent basis that there is no justice for people who look like you.

Nobody has an answer, but most everyone ABSOLUTELY says there cannot be any form of taking law into your own hands.

Hmm.

 

[Heroman]

Long time lurker here, and I know gaf is a tad left and I've stayed quiet but recent comments are just.. nope.

If the police say tell you to lay down, you do it, simple as fuck.
You don't start to argue, just don't, just do as they tell you.

Then, if you feel you're wronged, you deal with it after.

Use your brain, but if you're being chased by the cops you have done something wrong.

If only this was true.

 

[appaws]

So St.Louis residents get ready for the next stage of the police officer murders black man gets off then family files a multi million dollar wrongful death law suit and state settles. Tax payers foot the bill for state sponsored murder. The only way to solve this problem because the majority of people refuse to address this problem to is make the wrongful death law suit settlements so outrageous that it breaks the city's budgets.

If I'm not mistaken that has all already happened in this case. There was already a civil settlement reached.

 

[Username1198]

Long time lurker here, and I know gaf is a tad left and I've stayed quiet but recent comments are just.. nope.

If the police say tell you to lay down, you do it, simple as fuck.
You don't start to argue, just don't, just do as they tell you.

Then, if you feel you're wronged, you deal with it after.

Use your brain, but if you're being chased by the cops you have done something wrong.

Victim blaming when the cop clearly murdered a man?

I mean, if someone told me they were gonna kill me I'd run like hell too.

I can see why you lurk......

 

[Beaver Mucus]

"Long time lurker"

Fuck your alt. You're a goddamn coward.

Why am I coward?
Am I coward because I respect the laws of the country I'm in?
Alt, alt what? Alt-coward, Alt-snake?

 

[Volimar]

Of fucking course. Stay safe STL-GAF. It's going to be a well deserved madhouse.

 

[norm9]

So St.Louis residents get ready for the next stage of the police officer murders black man gets off then family files a multi million dollar wrongful death law suit and state settles. Tax payers foot the bill for state sponsored murder. The only way to solve this problem because the majority of people refuse to address this problem to is make the wrongful death law suit settlements so outrageous that it breaks the city's budgets.

The flipside would be the city deciding to limit wrongful death law settlements because too many of these people see a chance at free money.

 

[M52B28]

Why am I coward?
Am I coward because I respect the laws of the country I'm in?
Alt, alt what? Alt-coward, Alt-snake?

You're just blind, that's all.

 

[Maledict]

Why am I coward?
Am I coward because I respect the laws of the country I'm in?
Alt, alt what? Alt-coward, Alt-snake?

He was murdered by the police who then planted a gun in his car.

The side not respecting the laws of the country was not the guy lying dead on the ground.

 

[Username1198]

Why am I coward?
Am I coward because I respect the laws of the country I'm in?
Alt, alt what? Alt-coward, Alt-snake?

Cops don't even respect the law.

THE MOHERFUCKER WAS CARRING AN AK

PIG PLANTED A GUN

GTFO

 

[Enzom21]

Why am I coward?
Am I coward because I respect the laws of the country I'm in?
Alt, alt what? Alt-coward, Alt-snake?

I've picked these parts (This is from a Swedish site, since I'm Swedish)

Moved to the US 10 days ago?

 

[Snkfanatic]

Long time lurker here, and I know gaf is a tad left and I've stayed quiet but recent comments are just.. nope.

If the police say tell you to lay down, you do it, simple as fuck.
You don't start to argue, just don't, just do as they tell you.

Then, if you feel you're wronged, you deal with it after.

Use your brain, but if you're being chased by the cops you have done something wrong.

Lol

How this mentality is still prevalent when it comes to this kind of case is beyond me. Wake the fuck up, and look at this case and the facts presented. If you still feel this cop did the right thing well you need your fucking head examined.

Also why the fuck did you even feel the need to bring up that GAF swings left? We are talking about a man getting fucking killed here. Not our political party standings. Christ.

 

[Mark L]

I keep asking what you do when the system proves on a consistent basis that there is no justice for people who look like you.

Nobody has an answer, but most everyone ABSOLUTELY says there cannot be any form of taking law into your own hands.

Hmm.

If you've got time on your hands: http://bleedingheartlibertarians.co...government-agents-in-defense-of-moral-parity/

 

[Heroman]

Why am I coward?
Am I coward because I respect the laws of the country I'm in?
Alt, alt what? Alt-coward, Alt-snake?

A lot of African american respected the laws of this countries, they ended up being shot by the police

 

[OG Shaka Zulu]

Obama severely fucked up by not reinstating The Freedman's Bureau. The US and its localities have been at war with Blacks for 4 centuries now.

 

[gwarm01]

Use your brain, but if you're being chased by the cops you have done something wrong.

That's some Judge Dredd logic right there.

 

[Kill3r7]

I keep asking what you do when the system proves on a consistent basis that there is no justice for people who look like you.

Nobody has an answer, but most everyone ABSOLUTELY says there cannot be any form of taking law into your own hands.

Hmm.

It's a catch-22. I am not sure where taking the law into your own hands gets you. The outcome is likely the same, death or life in prison.

 

[psynergylover]

Long time lurker here, and I know gaf is a tad left and I've stayed quiet but recent comments are just.. nope.

If the police say tell you to lay down, you do it, simple as fuck.
You don't start to argue, just don't, just do as they tell you.

Then, if you feel you're wronged, you deal with it after.

Use your brain, but if you're being chased by the cops you have done something wrong.

you serious!?!?!?

Edit: lol only 6 post and most in this thread; looking to "stir up dem liburals!!!"

 

[Beaver Mucus]

He was murdered by the police who then planted a gun in his car.

The side not respecting the laws of the country was not the guy lying dead on the ground.

Have you got proof?
Photos, videos, etc?

Sorry if I'm not taking the word from internet rumours about such a grave case.