Man-is-Obsolete
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What's a good special to give Roy? Was leaning towards draconic aura or moonbow.
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Same as Armads I presume. Basically if the skill has 'follow-up' in the text Wary Fighter will block it. But Brave Lance for example would work because it's listed as "attack twice".
This confirms that giving Robin Triangle Adept works against colorless, right?
Armads is the only way that Quick Riposte can interact with Wary Fighter - they're both B skills. But has someone actually tested this?
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
Blue orb turned out to be Nowi. Not the dragon I was aiming for...
Is she good? Def+ res- iv
Also got lucius hp+ atk- lol. I want ninian. 😥
Is she good? Def+ res- iv
Also got lucius hp+ atk- lol. I want ninian. 😥
So many options, so many choices, I don't even know where to begin!
Oh wait, yes I do. EPHRAIM SUPER TANK HO!
BRB turning Minerva into a monster - oh wait, I can't give her Swordbreaker. At least they made THAT impossible. But I CAN give her Threaten Speed 3 and have her & Ephraim tag team debuff everything into oblivion...
Oh wait, yes I do. EPHRAIM SUPER TANK HO!
BRB turning Minerva into a monster - oh wait, I can't give her Swordbreaker. At least they made THAT impossible. But I CAN give her Threaten Speed 3 and have her & Ephraim tag team debuff everything into oblivion...
Nowi is incredibly good, and made even better by the inheritance system
Your nature set up is pretty solid as well
Sorry my bad, didn't even notice they were both B.
Yes someone on Reddit said it nullified Armads' effect.
Technoweirdo
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Yes.
Without Vengeance, Takumi'll deal 0 damage to MRobin who'll deal 38 damage in return. That's 2 damage (i.e. an attack buff or correct nature) short of ending a neutral Takumi for 100% free (as if taking 0 damage wasn't good enough). It'll also help in his admittedly mediocre red matchups...;-;7
As for Blarblade+ Linde, ask yourself: "Does she -really- need even more attack power"?
The answer is "Couldn't hurt".
+30 Atk from 2 buffer units...I'm not sure the 5* -blade spells are even necessary for them. lol
He's a defensive unit so I was thinking Escutcheon or Sacred Cowl. Moonbow is kind of counterintuitive with Seal Def I would think. I imagine Moonbow would calculate the -30% drop after Seal Def has already applied.
One way the meta could change with all the "powerful" skills activating below HP thresholds, is that it's even more offensive than before. You either want to kill a unit entirely or not touch them at all. And also not let them attack you to get themselves below a hp threshold.
Someone said put desperation on Linde before and use ardent sacrifice to get her below a HP threshold, but that's actually a lot of work in arena because you have to have another unit get hit by the enemy, and retreat without danger of dying, and have Linde spend at least a turn healing him, only then whole plan starts working.
Someone said put desperation on Linde before and use ardent sacrifice to get her below a HP threshold, but that's actually a lot of work in arena because you have to have another unit get hit by the enemy, and retreat without danger of dying, and have Linde spend at least a turn healing him, only then whole plan starts working.
StrikeNinja24
Banned
Is there a +Speed skill that I could give Linde and is it a good idea to do so?
yeah I don't think a few extra attack from blarblade+ is worth 20k feathers on Odin, considering Ursula would be getting +36 when attacking and fully buffed.
If you're only passing his regular tome then you can also send along Odin's Moonbow and its prerequisite too. Probably beats Ursula's crappy special. When Odin talked about his hidden potential I don't think this is what he meant...
Anyways I do want to try the cavalry thing, but I don't want to go all in and toss out my good team because I don't have anyone to fill their shoes. My best Gunter and only Jeigan are 3* so it'd be a feather investment one way or the other. I wish there was a good fast axe cavalry but that doesn't exist in this game...at least not yet. I do have a +atk -spd 4* Eliwood I guess but I want MAX POWER.
If you're only passing his regular tome then you can also send along Odin's Moonbow and its prerequisite too. Probably beats Ursula's crappy special. When Odin talked about his hidden potential I don't think this is what he meant...
Anyways I do want to try the cavalry thing, but I don't want to go all in and toss out my good team because I don't have anyone to fill their shoes. My best Gunter and only Jeigan are 3* so it'd be a feather investment one way or the other. I wish there was a good fast axe cavalry but that doesn't exist in this game...at least not yet. I do have a +atk -spd 4* Eliwood I guess but I want MAX POWER.
Duane Cunningham
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I wonder if there's a skill to make Camilla useful again?
Based on the notification, the four things that would affect matchmaking, and hence arena points, are essentially the same as what it is today.
I believe the question is how the weighting will change.
Right now, the only thing that matters for arena points is total stats. Whether those are base stats, or stats that are derived from skills/weapons, doesn't matter. Level, rarity, etc don't factor into it.
People have worked out the arena points formula
MaxPoints = (RoundDown( Enemy Rating / 4) + 150)*bonus.
PointsEarned = RoundDown(MaxPoints(1-0.1 * #allies_killed_in_arena))
Basically the bonus value is 2 if you have a bonus character, or 1 if you don't. You lose 10% of the max points total for every one of your characters killed in an arena battle.
Match-making might consider other factors, but even that is heavily weighted towards the total stat average for your team. Enemy teams are pretty much always within 5% of your stat total.
I almost never see 4-star characters in arena, even though I have been running a max-level, 4-star Kagero for weeks. My team has a pretty low stat total at present, since I am using that 4-star Kagero, and a level 35 Sanaki for the bonus (along with max-level Marth and Robin). As such, I see a mix of max-level mages/colorless units, or a bunch of melee units/cavalry that are level 32-39. I see very few armors because their stat totals are too high.
The hope is for other factors to play a greater role in both arena points and matchmaking. Most of the characters that can mop armors up end up costing you too many arena points currently due to their low stat totals.
Man-is-Obsolete
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I was thinking quick cool down and the seal def occurs after the turn.
I know how the formula works. I'm saying based on their brief description of the new system I can have it work out the exact same way as it is right now.
Pejo
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Maybe Iote's Shield when it releases?
StrikeZero
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Wow does no one see the potential of Young Tiki inheriting Adult Tiki's Lightning Breath+? Young Tiki going to shoot to S+ rank!
I was wondering if giving her the ability that makes her drag her target back after attacking would help her. Her main role is in diving behind enemy lines to kill key units, but it's often a suicide move. Having her pull back any units that survive might help.
Or maybe she could get Galeforce for crazy double kills. But then doesn't Cordelia already do that, but as a blue?
Some of those things don't matter at all currently though. I see zero evidence that star value, base stat values, or skills matter in any way other than the fact that they generally influence/limit your stat totals.
The update notice says that those factors will directly influence the arena scores and matchmaking.
I was thinking about having mine eat Nowi to get Lightning Breath+, but I'll hold out hope for getting an Adult Tiki to pass it on.
Narcian might be a good use for Iote's. He's pretty resilient and if all you want to do is delete a lance user and survive a turn he'll get the job done. He's got an open A slot already.
Of course I wouldn't invest heavily in him since Michalis himself is looking decent based on datamining. Just a thought.
You need to win it 15 times, lol. I've beaten the infantry one twice and it wasn't easy because I got some troll ass enemies.
Of course I wouldn't invest heavily in him since Michalis himself is looking decent based on datamining. Just a thought.
You need to win it 15 times, lol. I've beaten the infantry one twice and it wasn't easy because I got some troll ass enemies.
That requires getting rid of Wary Fighter though, the only thing that saves Effie from getting destroyed by spell users.
That's just insane considering the match up is always random. Even the biggest whales will struggle.
You're thinking too small
People are already making busted set ups like Death Blow spam Cavalry teams, Swordbreaker Nowi and Julia with Lancebreaker (who ends up ORKO every blue unit in the game) and other silly nonsense
StrikeNinja24
Banned
I dunno but at this point I either need another Green unit that can fill her place alongside of a Lucina, Linde, and Takumi/Kagero. Just got a Sheena though that +Atk so wondering how good she is.
Same should work for Nino. Yoooooo.....
Yes.
FUCKING YOOOOOOOO.
Narcian and Roy are about to be sacrificed to the gods.
What are the best Specials? Moonbow and Luna are up there. Probably Iceberg and Bonfire are better than Glacies and Ignis, right? And you'd probably want to stack your attack type with the mitigation stat that you get bonus attack from. Draconic Aura and Dragon Fang are more reliable versions of those. Probably they tend to be better on high Atk characters.
Luna is probably worse than type-matched Iceberg/Bonfire. It does more damage when you have color advantage and less at a disadvantage, but either one is probably sufficient to kill something you have advantage against. I think Moonbow is just incredible on almost anything with good Spd - it can trigger every combat in which both heroes get to attack.
Luna is probably worse than type-matched Iceberg/Bonfire. It does more damage when you have color advantage and less at a disadvantage, but either one is probably sufficient to kill something you have advantage against. I think Moonbow is just incredible on almost anything with good Spd - it can trigger every combat in which both heroes get to attack.
I have now spent around 1-2 hours and finally inherited a few skills. These are in german, but I will translate them. Some are just for the lulz, others are actually useful I guess. xD
Elise got Res+3 and Savage Blow 3. xD
Ephraim got Draw Back and Res+2.
Nino got Draconic Aura and Seal Res 1.
Young Tiki got Smite and Brash Assault 2.
This will now be my defense team which probably can fuck up some enemies. xD
I also teached Julia Poison Strike 2 and Harsh Command, but she doesn't have enough SP to learn everything yet (only enough for Poison Strike 1).
Elise got Res+3 and Savage Blow 3. xD
Ephraim got Draw Back and Res+2.
Nino got Draconic Aura and Seal Res 1.
Young Tiki got Smite and Brash Assault 2.
This will now be my defense team which probably can fuck up some enemies. xD
I also teached Julia Poison Strike 2 and Harsh Command, but she doesn't have enough SP to learn everything yet (only enough for Poison Strike 1).
Those are the two best imho. Luna works well with Eldigan and quick riposte imho.
Yeah, lower charge specials > higher charged specials, with Moonbow being super valuable (and common, thanks Odin)
Reprisal lets her OHKO M-Robin on the counter I think. Someone do the numbers.
I think Warding Blow and Daggerbreaker should get booted out first. She also has a free C skill slot.
Base stat values + skills + merge levels = total stats of a character.
ShakuganSan
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what good type C and special skills would go well with Effie? Thinking of something like Threaten Atk 3 on type C but have no idea on what to use for the special
that's a good point. i need 20k feathers though to get deathblow +3 and can't decide on b/c
Really not liking how you can bypass intended character design flaws now. Breaker skills are kind of annoying
Movement type & Weapon type (Axe users can't inherit Swordbreaker)
That's it
Movement type & Weapon type (Axe users can't inherit Swordbreaker)
That's it
theprodigy
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I took that statement as implying weapon mt doesn't matter for determining base stats any more, which helps brave users because their low mt weapon won't be held against them now.
Then what does factoring into skills mean? I would take that statement that way if they completely excluded mentioning skills.
It's just not enough information to go on.
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