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[Deadly Cyclone]

Not sell the console.

They could kill it.

No, they could't. It would hurt them more.

 

[jmood88]

So the big question is, if taken to the extreme, will publishers support a no used games console that not a lot of people buy or a console that plays used games that they get no profit from that a lot of people buy?

The publishers are the ones who hate GameStop selling their games used.

 

[Talamius]

As rotten as Gamestop is, the ideal solution is not only to refuse to carry X1, but pull 360 as well. Probably won't happen though.

No, they could't. It would hurt them more.

Who would it hurt more if Microsoft is banking their entire console around the US?

 

[neptunes]

It would be hilarious if Gamestop refused to sell any Xbox ONE related products due to this.

They'd basically lose any potential money to be made on HW and accessories to any other retailer that decides to carry it. Target or Walmart would just get more sales.

 

[Marmaladefire]

The Xbox one section at GS will only be as large as the used DS game display.

 

[Gentleman Jack]

As rotten as Gamestop is, the ideal solution is not only to refuse to carry X1, but pull 360 as well. Probably won't happen though.

Solution to what? Their profitability?

 

[BatDan]

This day keeps getting better and better and better.

I just can't stop laughing.

 

[WinFonda]

lol, gamestop is still in the first stage of grief about this.

 

[Savitar]

You can certainly bet Gamestop will play up the system negatively while pushing the PS4 when people go to buy it or games. No way are they going to take this laying down....they want their monies.

 

[DigitalRicket]

I'm sure Gamestop was super thrilled to read the news today.

Not being put in the loop is pretty much tantamount to them being excluded from any used game cartel MS plans to implement.

I think MS will create an auction house or store on Xbox Live where people can trade and/or sell their used games which will incur a small percentage fee on every transaction.

 

[ffdgh]

That must feel like a slap to the face...more space for ps4 and wii u?

 

[GuardianE]

Not sell the console.

They could kill it.

They seriously have a lot of power in their hands here.

No, they could't. It would hurt them more.

Microsoft stands to lose a LOT if Gamestop doesn't support them... even moreso if they only push Sony and Nintendo products.

 

[Duxxy3]

They'd basically lose any potential money to be made on HW and accessories to any other retailer that decides to carry it. Target or Walmart would just get more sales.

People go to walmart or target for games?

 

[BocoDragon]

Gamestop gonna push dat PS4 hard...

 

[neptunes]

People go to walmart or target for games?

Is this a serious question?

 

[ReaperXL7]

It's not up to Sony to decided, they can only account for first party.

If every other 3rd party wants to kill used games, Sony will have no choice but to allow them.

Except if Sony ends up with more people on their console then publishers will have a difficult time demanding anything. Your also acting like all publishers/developers believe that used games are the bane of their exsistance. Some actively stand against most forms of DRM. The big publishers are the ones who fight it, but if the PS4 comes out ahead they are not going to ignore that.

 

[BobTheFork]

Solution to what? Their profitability?

That's about to take a huge hit from the used games anyway. What can they do either way?

 

[Grover Cleveland]

The Xbox one section at GS will only be as large as the Vita game display.

Fixed

 

[ascii42]

That's about to take a huge hit from the used games anyway. What can they do either way?

Some profit is better than no profit. They do make some money from new games.

 

[KillerTravis]

This is what Major Nelson said in a blog post:

We know there is some confusion around used games on Xbox One and wanted to provide a bit of clarification on exactly what we’ve confirmed today. While there have been many potential scenarios discussed, today we have only confirmed that we designed Xbox One to enable our customers to trade in and resell games at retail.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Not sell the console.

They could kill it.

You can't be serious. Gamestop not selling the new Xbox would HARDLY be able to kill the console. It's incredible what people believe these days.

Is this a serious question?

Seriously, most of my in person game purchases take place at Best Buy, and for online it's Amazon. People somehow believed Gamestop was the center of the universe for the retail games business?

 

[Duxxy3]

Is this a serious question?

Yes. I don't know anyone in my circle of friends or family who buy games from either of those stores.

That could be because every walmart or target plaza has a gamestop nearby.

 

[GuardianE]

They'd basically lose any potential money to be made on HW and accessories to any other retailer that decides to carry it. Target or Walmart would just get more sales.

Gamestop convinces a lot of people on what consoles to buy in America, believe it or not. There are a ton of people in America that think Gamestop is their only option on launch day for games.

 

[Clevinger]

MS started the ball rolling and now the major publishers aren't going to like a system where they get no cut on game resale vs. one where they do.

I don't think that matters too much. It's not like those publishers are going to refuse to make money on PS4 with multiplats if Sony doesn't want to play ball with blocking used games.

 

[BigJonsson]

Target, Amazon, Wal Mart, Futureshop, Best Buy etc.... will gladly scoop up the business that gamestop turns away

 

[neptunes]

Except if Sony ends up with more people on their console then publishers will have a difficult time demanding anything. Your also acting like all publishers/developers believe that used games are the bane of their exsistance. Some actively stand against most forms of DRM. The big publishers are the ones who fight it, but if the PS4 comes out ahead they are not going to ignore that.

That hypothetical scenario will only happen if the Xbox version of next gen mulitplatform games barely sell anything(which I find hard to believe)

If the Xbox does marginally well you bet publishers will want more return on their products.

 

[ultron87]

How would your console differentiate between a new copy and one that was sold 2nd hand to you (say 2 days after release) ?

All you're really doing is buying a licence which is activated on your console, regardless if its a new disc or 2nd hand. (the disc being just a quick way of installing the game)

Welcome to Nextgen everyone

Microsoft has specifically stated that there is a way to sell your games at retail. So there must be a way. And it is a different scenario than what Phil Harrison was talking about in reference to the fee.

 

[Woo-Fu]

...wow.

If you're going to stab a business partner in the back you don't want them to see it coming.

 

[Tylahedras]

Wow I am surprised they didn't tell Gamestop, in fact it's like they intentionally misled them...

This will be war. I don't really see what MS can offer them to compensate. Even if they split revenue with them (which they will never do) that would still be climbing into your own grave.

I would imagine that Xbox One will not be sold there. Every box Gamestop puts in the market is one more consumer that they will never make any (more) money on.

 

[Wallach]

The twitter console war thing was GameSPOT not STOP.

Oh. Fuck those guys' names anyway.

Still, I don't expect Gamestop to remain neutral on this one.

 

[Haunted]

Gamestop (and other brick and mortar's relevancy) is in steep decline, but they still have enough presence and clout now to have a significant impact during the next few years at least.

If all the rumours and preliminary announcements are true, expect pretty much every brick and mortar store worldwide to more prominently feature PS4 and WiiU games in marketing and ads and promos compared to XB1. The used games trade makes up a significant portion of their revenue, the platforms most accommodating to that area of business will be preferred.

 

[KojiKnight]

Some profit is better than no profit. They do make some money from new games.

You make more profit by finding more room (and better positioning) for products that actually have value.

Gamestop won't stop carrying the system, but it'll be shoved off into a corner, and more retailers (especially those that resell games, see Best buy and some Walmarts) are going to follow.

 

[ironcreed]

This is what Major Nelson said in a blog post:

You can trade and resell games as usual, but the new owners will still have to pay a fee to play the game through their account. That is what I am getting out of all this. In other words, it discourages the practice.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

Hay GameStop, you can always go back to selling old NES, SNES, Genesis and PS1 games again.

I won't mind.

 

[Meus Renaissance]

It'll be interesting to see the press reaction

 

[Loudninja]

Is this really worth all the trouble it will cost?

 

[Darryl]

They'd basically lose any potential money to be made on HW and accessories to any other retailer that decides to carry it. Target or Walmart would just get more sales.

if gamestop stopped selling it, customers won't necessarily just go to a different outlet. they could just pick up a different console instead.

 

[GuardianE]

if gamestop stopped selling it, customers won't necessarily just go to a different outlet. they could just pick up a different console instead.

Bingo.

 

[Ferrio]

This gives me hope that Sony isn't following suit.

 

[Crawl]

Well gamestop atleast you can sell those used wii u games that are selling real hot right now.

 

[ultron87]

You can trade and resell games as usual, but the new owners will still have to pay a fee to play the game through their account. That is what I am getting out of all this. In other words, it discourages the practice.

The fee they have confirmed is for buying an entirely new license to the game while the original owner retains the ability to play it. That's different than someone reselling it.

 

[neptunes]

Wow I am surprised they didn't tell Gamestop, in fact it's like they intentionally misled them...

This will be war. I don't really see what MS can offer them to compensate. Even if they split revenue with them (which they will never do) that would still be climbing into your own grave.

I would imagine that Xbox One will not be sold there. Every box Gamestop puts in the market is one more consumer that they will never make any (more) money on.

I can't see GS totally dropping the XBox, there will still be profits to be made on HW Sales, Accessories, and New games.

They might not position it prominently, but to conpletely drop it? People can still buy PC games there right?

 

[Duxxy3]

I think the x1 will have as much shelf space as the PSP go.

 

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[Zabant]

One can't help but wonder what this will have in store for Gamestop

Well I can tell you what WONT be in store at gamestop, the Xbox One!

 

[Talamius]

if gamestop stopped selling it, customers won't necessarily just go to a different outlet. they could just pick up a different console instead.

This right here. They'll try to sell you a PS4 or, hell, even a WiiU instead. Anything they can potentially make money on.

 

[Moobabe]

I can't see GS totally dropping the XBox, there will still be profits to be made on HW Sales, Accessories, and New games.

They might not position it prominently, but to conpletely drop it? People can still buy PC games there right?

The profit margins on HW sales and new games is minimal - but yes, accessories and add-ons (in addition to pre-owned) are where the money is made.

 

[M3d10n]

I just thought of something crazy: what is it does support used games... If they are resold by select partners? Imagine that MS can allow select partners to remotely deauthorize discs by paying a fee, maybe using a specialized unit. This way GS could resell the game and MS would get a cut.

This would explain the need to connect online every 24 hours: to support remote deauthorization.

 

[neptunes]

if gamestop stopped selling it, customers won't necessarily just go to a different outlet. they could just pick up a different console instead.

It's safe to assume most people don't make big budget purchases like that.

 

[wenis]

When asked about Xbox One's potential second-hand fee, Bartel said the information came "as a surprise" and declined to comment "on speculation."

Gamestop uses the same media and advertising team as the White House.