NonPhixion
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Helldivers 2 will soon require all Steam players to sign in with a PlayStation Network account
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Topher
Gold Member
MSConfig isn't the same as Services.msc
BattleScar
Member
This is part of the usual cope cycle.
They'll complain for a bit, and then nobody will care. Just like with Origin and Unisoft and all that other bs.
They'll complain for a bit, and then nobody will care. Just like with Origin and Unisoft and all that other bs.
Holammer
Member
Nah, it's still one of the best metrics we have. People paid for the privilege.Yet another reason not to trust the Steam mostly positive/mostly negative scale, and people here will still point to it for reference of what is a good game and what is a bad game just like player count
In this case, Sony just needs to reverse the decision and the beatings will stop near instantly.
winjer
Gold Member
What part don't you understand that it's the MSconfig that controls how Steam helper service works.
Try disabling the Steam Service from starting with MSConfig and see what happens.
March Climber
Member
The game's actual quality didn't suddenly tank due to an outside issue(account link). I'm sorry but it's not one of the best, it's just another broken one that people play defense or offense with. Just like metacritic.
Again, no bearing on the quality of the game itself.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Forget MSconfig. From now on, use services.msc.
winjer
Gold Member
I'm not saying it is.
Mr Moose
Member
It doesn't need to be disabled, it just needs setting to manual rather than auto.
winjer
Gold Member
The Steam helper service is still starting up if you set it to manual with Services.msc
You have to use MSconfig. Just try it.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Here it doesn't start as Steam also doesn't start with my PC.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
winjer
Gold Member
Just try disabling the Steam service with MSconfig. For once.
Then you will see that it's MSConfig that controls the service.
Mr Moose
Member
What happened in March?
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Again, MSconfig can only disable the service, thing that Services.msc also can do. But only in services.msc you can set to automatic, manual, or disabled. Set to Manual.
ManaByte
Gold Member
That's when only the first 400K people who logged in were able to play due to the server issues.
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winjer
Gold Member
FFS. Just try using MSconfig.
Guilty_AI
Member
This isn't Microsoft, its from a random user.
Topher
Gold Member
There are two different programs running. Steam.exe and steamservice.exe. One is the client front end. The other is the background service. Both work together, but are separate more than likely to keep one process from interupting the other.
I have an similar application at work that has a service and a web front end.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
I know what will happen. When I open Steam it will tell me to install steam service again. That will not happen if I set Steam Client Service to manual on services.msc.
Guilty_AI
Member
why don't you try doing as
rodrigolfp
instead of banging your head on this? I've always done this too and it always worked, also works for every single other program i use too like Galaxy or Discord.
winjer
Gold Member
There are two different programs running. Steam.exe and steamservice.exe. One is the client front end. The other is the background service. Both work together, but are separate more than likely to keep one process from interupting the other.
That is what I'm saying about helper services.
Setting the Steam service in Services.msc to manual doesn't' prevent the helper service from starting up.
winjer
Gold Member
It's a community post and it's promoted by Microsoft in their support. Because the information there is factual.
How to open MSConfig in Windows 10 - Microsoft Support
How to open MSConfig in Windows 10
support.microsoft.com
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
It will only start with Steam together, never alone.
Topher
Gold Member
That's correct. That's why I'm pointing out that they are two different exes.
winjer
Gold Member
I know. That is what I'm saying.
There is the Steam service and a helper service.
What I don't understand is why some people are having trouble understanding this.
Not vanilla. So you're saying that the way it would be OK is if Playstation launched a PC store/launcher, made their games exclusive to it, failed, then required an account on Steam for access to PS games.
What's a failed store got to do with anything? I don't understand what the fascination is with other stores/launchers which have nothing to do with creating an account on a game you've bought in another store.
Releasing day one on steam and requiring an account is not progressing backwards and a failed store progressing forwards. It's the same thing of requiring a third party account to play. Games have launched with that requirement requirimg the sign in retroactively. This wasn't even retroactive, it was known.
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ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Every generation we witness the same picture over and over again.
Chukhopops
Member
I love this, a good reminder that every company uses bot accounts one way or another.
NeverYouMind
Member
Topher
Gold Member
I'm a bit confused by what people are trying to say as well. I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong. I think there may just be come misunderstanding involved.
Maybe this well help.
Exiting the Steam Helper program from the system tray will stop the Steam client service.
The Steam client service cannot be started without the Steam Helper program running.
Starting the Steam Helper program starts the Steam client service.
The Helper program and the steam service must be running at the same time.
Attempting to start the Steam client service when the helper program is not open will cause an error and the service will automatically stop.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
They can try, like MS tried. People will laugh at them the same way or maybe more.
Guilty_AI
Member
I simply see absolutely no Steam-related program running on startup using the procedures i've always used. Helper, client, service or whatever else.
winjer
Gold Member
I'm saying that if we disable the Steam helper service, it will prevent Steam for working correctly. So it will ask to reinstall the Steam helper service.
But this is a separate service from Steam's main service, listed in Services.msc
But some people here think that there is only one service. When there are 2.
Deerock71
Member
winjer
Gold Member
It's hidden. Probably in a low level kernel ring, so people won't screw up with it.
But MSconfig, for some reason shows it.
But there are 2 Steam services. And the one people are setting to manual in Services.msc is just the main one. Not the helper service.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
No. There are 3. Steam, Steam Client Service, Steam Client WebHelper. Just check your task manager.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
No, it's not. It start if I start Steam. Nothing is hidden. Imagine Valve hiding stuff from the users.
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winjer
Gold Member
None of those 3 services start with Windows if I set Steam not to start with Windows. But if I run Steam, they all start normally.
What is hidden is the helper service in MSConfig. This one has to always start with windows, or Steam will stop working and requires a reinstall of the helper service.
Topher
Gold Member
If it is a service then it is listed in Services.msc. Not every program that starts with Windows is a service. When I look in the service list I see only one Steam program listed.
VideoGameEnjoyer
Member
Gamers losing their shit over this very minor inconvenience is very much on brand.
You can use a burner email and password and sign up in a few minutes. No personal information that you need to worry about getting leaked required.
Most every GaaS game I've played has required me to login using a third party, and a required PSN account for HD2 was in every trailer leading up to launch....
So obviously this is the worst thing that has ever happened.
You can use a burner email and password and sign up in a few minutes. No personal information that you need to worry about getting leaked required.
Most every GaaS game I've played has required me to login using a third party, and a required PSN account for HD2 was in every trailer leading up to launch....
So obviously this is the worst thing that has ever happened.
Alebrije
Member
That is so Sad , yesterday the Game was great , had a blast doing DEMOCRACY on those bug planets..Now it's ruined.
Hope the reviews improve and the Game returns to it's Glory..
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winjer
Gold Member
OK, then call it a kernel ring driver, or something similar.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
I've been waiting on Steam and Playstation to shake hands and link up again. It's been so long.
Ah, the circle of life
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Here, the same as
Guilty_AI
says, nothing from Steam runs on Windows startup if I set Steam Client Service as manual. The WebHelper and the Service only start if start Steam. WebHelper service it's not hidden. Steam main .exe just start it along with it.
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Mr Moose
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I'm only seeing Steam Client Service in both.