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I think my apartment may be haunted.
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StalkerUKCG
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riskVSreward
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Alright Rivitur. It seems you don't quite grasp some fundamental definitions.
To be a scientist, you have to subscribe to the scientific method. This means that you need to design a series of experiments with controlled factors, output variables and environment, which must be reliably documented and subsequently reproduced. The "experiment" you propose pretty much violates most rules of experimental design; so you gather a bunch of people - some of which might be highly suggestible, in a dark place, where it has established that the human brain can generate subtle hallucinations to fill in the blanks created by our vision systems, with a ouija board (for some incredibly arbitrary reason), and your intention would be to justify anything weird that happens as a result of that setup? Don't make me laugh.
As a scientist, you also have to take into account previous scientific knowledge to build upon when coming up with a hypothesis. The existence of ghosts pretty much violates the laws of thermodynamics, unless there was a solid measurement of energy being drawn from somewhere in order for apparitions to manifest themselves. But sure, let's say you've made a breakthrough that goes against the foundations of basic physics, one that will usher a scientific paradigm shift. You don't go about it by making a youtube video or calling some ghost hunters show. The fact that you use previously ridiculed scientists as proof that these people may have a point is highly offensive to anyone with a scientific background.
To be a scientist, you have to subscribe to the scientific method. This means that you need to design a series of experiments with controlled factors, output variables and environment, which must be reliably documented and subsequently reproduced. The "experiment" you propose pretty much violates most rules of experimental design; so you gather a bunch of people - some of which might be highly suggestible, in a dark place, where it has established that the human brain can generate subtle hallucinations to fill in the blanks created by our vision systems, with a ouija board (for some incredibly arbitrary reason), and your intention would be to justify anything weird that happens as a result of that setup? Don't make me laugh.
As a scientist, you also have to take into account previous scientific knowledge to build upon when coming up with a hypothesis. The existence of ghosts pretty much violates the laws of thermodynamics, unless there was a solid measurement of energy being drawn from somewhere in order for apparitions to manifest themselves. But sure, let's say you've made a breakthrough that goes against the foundations of basic physics, one that will usher a scientific paradigm shift. You don't go about it by making a youtube video or calling some ghost hunters show. The fact that you use previously ridiculed scientists as proof that these people may have a point is highly offensive to anyone with a scientific background.
I tried but those fucking dinosaur ghosts cheat every time. Not worth it.
riskVSreward
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Have you done an experiment to prove that ghosts need ships to traverse the oceans?
You better take your Ouija board to the beach.
I saw Ghostbusters 2, I'm an expert.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Played monopoly in a crypt and the ghost of captain pug wash told me
In the 8rh grade I did a science project and won the science fair. I had a topic and created a hypothesis and experiment to disprove my idea. Ghost hunters have the same thing going here they have an idea and are attending to assure their idea or disprove.
riskVSreward
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Shit, I wish you would've said that sooner, now I look like an idiot.
Ancient skeleton people, we're finding their remains all over the place, so there's proof. Read an article on it on some site, onion something
riskVSreward
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Its science. How can I deny it?
Well taking you for finally agreeing with me on my stance I knew I could make a difference now this time I am out.
Veritigo_X
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mr skeltal is a skeleton playing a trumpet that blesses believers with good calcium, not a ghost. Jesus Christ dude. Some people need to realize that not everything can be explained with ghosts.
riskVSreward
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EdibleExplosives
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What happens if you play Operation next to a gravestone of a surgeon?
The ghost of the surgeon will curse your pancreas. It's science.
That's not what ghost hunter do tho. What they do is is simple anomaly hunting. They only put forward hypotheses and make observations. But they never use observations and experiments to test those hypotheses in a way that can falsify them.
And that's why ghost hunting is correctly labeled as pseudo-science.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
But an Ouija board is not a scientific experiment!!!!!
I'll say this though, Rivtur sure has made this thread more entertaining than it was before, even if he is crazy!
I think it's a shame if you're actually interested in science that your conception of it is so corrupted by your 8th grade level thinking. I would seriously suggest that if you're really interested in the subject of the scientific method, you read up on philosophy of science. Maybe read some Thomas Kuhn, or even Carl Sagan.
It's a shame, because there are genuinely interesting things and events in the history of science, the real thing, that would help you make much better arguments and feel ashamed about citing something as unscientific as Ghost Hunters (or your 8th grade science efforts) in the discussion at hand. Seeing how true paradigm shifts in science - and there have been plenty - were discovered and eventually accepted by the scientific community would help you greatly understand why you're wrong on this discussion.
To address your point directly, you can't possibly fit any of Ghost Hunters' methodologies into any accepted model of experimental design that would lead to any level of valuable scientific discourse. I dare you to try
TwEE-N-Toast
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OP and Rivitur are not responding anymore.
I therefore put forward the hypotheses that both have been possessed by otherworldly spirits, potentionally ghosts, that prevent them from posting. Which is something ghosts are known for, besides being spooky and greasing ketchup on the wall.
I also checked several other threads on this forum and can conduct from this research that other, non possessed people are still having conversations, therefore verifying my hypotheses.
I dare you to challenge my scientific method.
I therefore put forward the hypotheses that both have been possessed by otherworldly spirits, potentionally ghosts, that prevent them from posting. Which is something ghosts are known for, besides being spooky and greasing ketchup on the wall.
I also checked several other threads on this forum and can conduct from this research that other, non possessed people are still having conversations, therefore verifying my hypotheses.
I dare you to challenge my scientific method.
CheDominik
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I still stand by my theory that the raccoons in OP's fireplace ate him with some ketchup and wear his skin as a hat.
I had to gather my composure to look in that folder again. I was shivering and crying as I uploaded it to imgur. Please don't make me do it again. And to those saying I just found random images and pictures online, does this look 'shopped to you?
I just got the biggest chill running down my spine. Holy shit, are you ok? Was that pic taken at your house?
riskVSreward
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And I can backup my claim that Rivitur doesnt know any scientists. I have here a picture of scientists NOT standing next to him.
Surely if he knew a scientist he would be in the picture standing next to them.
Surely if he knew a scientist he would be in the picture standing next to them.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
I'm still betting the OP finds evidence of his landlord bringing strange women into the OP's apartment when he isn't home!
So no matter what we are either getting proof that ghosts exist or an amateur porn movie. Still worth subscribing.
What's the legality on that btw? If people break in and have sex in your home and you have a camera running, is that footage yours to do whatever with?
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
That's an interesting legal question.
How about if you film two ghosts having sex, is ghost porn something you could sell and claim as your own? There wouldn't be anyone alive to dispute said ownership....
Veritigo_X
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There's going to be a legal shitstorm when ghosts finally reveal themselves to the general public.
Just put in my notice that I'm not renewing my lease yesterday. Last night I exit my room to go to the restroom, look left and notice this.
Veritigo_X
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The ghost doesn't want you to leave! Keep paying your rent or the hauntings will continue.
Just put in my notice that I'm not renewing my lease yesterday. Last night I exit my room to go to the restroom, look left and notice this.
Jesus. Stay safe man.
Just put in my notice that I'm not renewing my lease yesterday. Last night I exit my room to go to the restroom, look left and notice this.
Umm.......shit just got real. Something obviously doesn't want you to leave.
TwEE-N-Toast
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Probably the landlord.
FunkyMunkey
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I had to gather my composure to look in that folder again. I was shivering and crying as I uploaded it to imgur. Please don't make me do it again. And to those saying I just found random images and pictures online, does this look 'shopped to you?
you forgot to thank mr skeltal. no ca2+ for you
Cameras in my room and I haven't noticed anything in it
NobleGundam
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Time to burn your apartment OPJust put in my notice that I'm not renewing my lease yesterday. Last night I exit my room to go to the restroom, look left and notice this.
it's the only way
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