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Mass Shooting in Toronto Yesterday
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cryptoadam
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Nah I'm fine I don't feel the need for a gun. I live in a safe city and have never seen a real gun in my life. All though I think your interpretation that god gave us a right to bear arms is a bit far fetched for me.
You do you and I will do me.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
No, God did not grant us the right to bare arms, he/she/it granted us the right to protection (which is a natural innate trait all the animalae possess).
That is what people mean when they mention that along with the 2A. The 2A just allows you to have an equalizer if ever faced with that threat.
mustardman
Banned
This is not a Canadian gun rights thread, stop trying to place your American values onto Canadians.
I'm from one of the more rural provinces with a sizeable hunter population, and the appetite for American 2nd amendment style free for all is not the same. The vast majority of hunters I know, nevermind the general population are typically in support of elaborate gun control as long as there is access to hunting rifles for sport.
Most of the western world outside of America understands that "a car is not a fast horse", and that having the ability to mow down 50+ people in a short amount of time is not the same as a hunting style rifle and Canada is included in that.
I'm from one of the more rural provinces with a sizeable hunter population, and the appetite for American 2nd amendment style free for all is not the same. The vast majority of hunters I know, nevermind the general population are typically in support of elaborate gun control as long as there is access to hunting rifles for sport.
Most of the western world outside of America understands that "a car is not a fast horse", and that having the ability to mow down 50+ people in a short amount of time is not the same as a hunting style rifle and Canada is included in that.
mustardman
Banned
I also know a few gun enthusiasts. They are a fringe group, even in the rural west of Canada.
Phoenix RISING
Banned
There's more interesting stuff in that article (below).
All the stats and charts and graphs add up to one thing: with more guns, there is more gun violence.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44959010
Also:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/faisal...e-new-details-emerge-about-gunman-2018-07-24/
Woah, Canadians throwing shade at US.
When the same talking points don't translate outside of your own worldview.
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Spheyr
Banned
And with less guns, there's violence with other tools.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Yeah and its alot harder to commit mass murder with a knife.
"Oh but they will just kill people with other stuff guys!!"
Yeah no shit, but very few things are as easily attained, wielded, and abused as a gun, but I know you well enough at this point that you won't acknowledge that fact. You will just come up with some excuse or some meme so that you can dodge that particular reality and continue on your "Muh guns" line of thinking as you usually do.
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
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Beard of the Forest
The No. 1 cause of forest fires is trees.
I haven't read the bible in a while but could you point me to the part where it says "Then god said let there be guns and it was good"?
Regardless, tone down the trolling please.
Panda1
Banned
You have to have some intelligence to understand your limitations and know when you are wrong. When he gets to high school he will learn some more about the use of language and then will be able to handle different ideas. Until then you are wasting your time.
Hmm it's almost like the problem isn't the object itself but the people who abuse them...
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Lol, what.
As a Swede I don't have the right to walk around with murder tools, and I'm very happy about that. Hmm, when was our last mass shooting again...
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Don't engage him. You will not get an honest argument out of him. Look at page 1 and 2 of the thread and how he responded to my points. He even got a mod warning for his behavior. He has no interest in a genuine discussion on this topic.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
1. I said mass shootings. You know, the kind America has every other day.
2. The shootings we do have in Sweden suck, but they are pretty much exclusively between criminal gangs shooting at each other. Someone just opening fire into a crowd of innocents (you know, like what happens in America every other day) is not a thing here.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
He knows exactly what you asked for. He just knows that you are in the right here and Sweden has not had any mass shootings that fit his narrative. He will now either ignore your point entirely and walk away, use a meme or a joke in an attempt to dismiss your argument, or will deflect to some other meaningless point that has nothing to do with what you guys were talking about in an attempt to change the subject.
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That is how our bill of rights work. We are given rights. They are our naturally. It's an important event of our laws.
Things work differently in Sweden which is fine, but we aren't talking about Sweden, are we?
RoadHazard
Gold Member
We also have rights. But when some right is deemed damaging, we change that law to improve our society. That's how societies evolve and improve.
dragonfart28
Banned
I feel like this story got way too much exposure.
Must have been a slow news week.
You can tell by how it got buried once the city council cut story broke out.
Must have been a slow news week.
You can tell by how it got buried once the city council cut story broke out.
Americans have a different idea of what an "improved society" is. Criminalizing all citizens and taking away a right becuase a small amount of people commit a crime is not a popular idea in America.
Wow, different cultures view ideas differently. What a shock.
cryptoadam
Banned
???
A man goes on a killing spree in the middle of a city and it got too much exposure?
Are you American? Because in Canada mass shootings aren't really a thing and when they happen its a big deal.
The fact that its getting buried I think is more along the lines that the media wants this story to go away. He was mentally ill and thats it don't ask any more question.
And ignore all the gun talk in this thread, for Canadians the guns are not an issue. The fact that he got it illegally from the states is a problem and we need to secure our borders against illegal guns, but this isn't like American school shootings where the entire discussion is dominated by pro/anti gun rights people.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
There are way too many guns in the US for them to just vanish. Easy to obtain, easy to sell to people illegally. P sure its how this shooting took place in the first place.