Skullwaker
Member
I keep forgetting about Story of Seasons. I hope they announce the next game soon.
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I keep forgetting about Story of Seasons. I hope they announce the next game soon.
Top of my dream game list.
YES. PLEASE.
Magicpaint
Member
I certainly didn't expect that we'd be begging for a Rune Factory 5 after how well RF4 turned out.
titiklabingapat
Member
When is the next iphone launching?
We could be seeing the manufacturing lines for the chips that is needed being opened up for the Switch since Apple is no longer hogging most of them.
We could be seeing the manufacturing lines for the chips that is needed being opened up for the Switch since Apple is no longer hogging most of them.
RoboGeorgeForeman
Banned
I'd find that easier to believe if thigh rubbing simulator and life jiggling pinball weren't just announced for the system.
Yeah, I'm mostly talking about the supposed period when it was just PS4. We have that recent interview, which seems conflicted about that story, but it itself also points to it earlier in the interview, in line with the earlier reports.
That would be an extremely odd decision that SE walked back with the 3DS version, if it indeed was the decision. It would also have been a decision made in ~2013 and had to have been expecting a better result for PS4 in Japan.
Moreover, if it were the decision, I think you get this picture:
That is, I take Horii at his word as wanting to make the game for a stationary console and SE as willing to believe that DQ could be a success on PS4 and letting that happen. I don't know what the power dynamic is there, but I assume Horii's desires have to also line up with business decisions. So I think if 3DS version was indeed a later addition, SE was being very bullish on PS4 in 2013 or so.
DQ Japan was "saved" by the 3DS version, in that those allowed it to achieve DQ-like sales. PS4 version performed very well for the PS4. It outperformed most early estimates. It almost sold as much as the 3DS version. The thing is, I don't think that result could have been much higher and that is both praise and indicative of the necessity of the 3DS version to achieve 2.5-4 million total sales lifetime in Japan.
The problem remains, as D.Lo points out, that this was a very costly way to maintain sales at DQ-like levels, when that could also have been achieved on 3DS alone at an earlier date and that highlights just how odd wrt business the presumed initial decision was.
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Aside:
I do think this decision could pay off in the west. The problem is, if DQXI just mimics the sales of other Japanese games doing well lately, then it hasn't paid off: DQ already hit those sorts of numbers with both VIII and IX. Here I think multiplatform could help, if it comes over that way. Say DQ XI sells P5 good on PS4 in the west. That'd be very modest growth over previous entries. Say it also sells a couple 100k on Switch, that adds to that growth pile. Say it sells about 100k on 3DS too. Some more to the growth pile.
Couple that with a Switch port of the PS4 version in Japan for another, let's say, <500k and you get more out of the decision to start on PS4.
(Note: IX suggests a hypothetical earlier 3DS release could've also done ~1 million. I'm guessing a) Switch will still be too small to support that and b) 3DS will be past its prime in 2018. I think in 2018 it clearly goes PS4>Switch>3DS for western sales).
Maybe instead DQXI PS4 blows DQVIII completely out of the water? But that would be it doing better than the current trend of successful Japanese games that we are talking about. Perhaps that tide rises it higher than the Personas of the world?
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This and MHW, another decision made in presumably 2013 or so, highlight that going into PS4 there were some bullish decisions on the part of some Japanese developers.
I don't expect the same will pan out to be true of 2016 for Switch when we get to 2019 or so. I think this sort of behavior is simply not something Nintendo or the domestic Japanese market inspires.
I do think Switch will get a healthy portion of sensible decisions in its favor.
But in any case, my whole point in bringing this up is we're in a time where Switch users are with bated breath wrt Japanese support for their system, with mixed signals including tepid remarks from major 3DS partners like Capcom, and a time when PS4 is seeing these strange unlooked for "holy grails" in terms of support. They're at different parts in their life--we weren't going to know the quality of Switch support for a while no matter how PS4 is doing--but the juxtaposition of these two states makes the Switch support situation look worse than it is.
Right now people are hearing about faith in PS4 in 2013 and hearing noncommittal comments about Switch.
So it was a multifaceted post: this little side-tangent about the difference in how Nintendo and Sony can attract support and a meta-commentary about why this current situation feeds into Switch anxiety, despite the fact that it really shouldn't.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
That kinda sums it up
MHWilliams
Member
Technically, Switch is.
I agree it probably would've sold more 3DS only. Hence why I think it's a part of their play for a more global audience. By time FFXV dropped off the Top 20, it sold 944,806 copies. Almost a million. In total, the best numbers we have for worldwide sales/shipments is 6 million. So, around 5 million outside of Japan.
Now you're Square Enix. You're thinking, "well, Dragon Quest XI is just as good." And they've been working hard to broaden the appeal of the series, which is why we've gotten Builders and Heroes.
So, 5 million. What if you can capture half of that audience? That's another 2.5 million sold for Dragon Quest XI. A third? 1.6 million. Dragon Quest IX on DS sold 4.26 million. Nintendo published it in the US and pulled another 1.05 million. (For odd contrast, the DS had sold 146 million worldwide by then; 32 million in Japan, 55 million in the Americas.)
Basically, Square Enix is looking at their numbers:
And trying to grab that 26 million part. And thy're more likely to do that in the West with the PS4.
Of course, this is all guessing and speculation looking at their numbers.
Jon Carter
Member
The Switch is more successful than the PS4, and neither X nor XI will be new releases.
MHWilliams
Member
This.
PS4 5.095.722
NSW 1.286.300
Only by aligning sales pace by launch. Which, SQ only cares about in terms of future releases and whatnot.
D.Lo
Member
Switch did not get it at release. Hence why I said 'new release'.
Heck depending how long it takes to release Switch may be near or surpass PS4 total by then in Japan, and depending on definition of success (eg sales velocity) it is already a vastly more successful platform than PS4. It's already a successful platform, just also a very new/young one.
It is all opinions, but I just don't see any non-dumb business justification for it being primarily PS4 game (PS4 was almost certainly the only platform originally and would have taken the majority of the development budget surely). My guess is it would struggle for 1.5 million western sales. There's no new hook or anything about it that suggests western breakout, unlike MHW which does look like it has a chance at that.
um, did I miss where DQ11 released on Switch?
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game hasn't come out. And we know literally nothing about it.
Will Switch be above 5m whenever it comes out? Dunno, and I don't really care.
But your statement was weird considering the game barely exists to us, let alone released.
MHWilliams
Member
As I hinted at above, for the purposes of sales planning, they're likely not looking at a potential future hardware sales target, just what's out there right now.
I certainly don't expect it to do all that well either. But I can see SQ thinking it might and many of their localization moves in relation to the series point at hoping the Western audience is bigger.
You did not, but considering it was shown playable, I also don't expect it to be more than a year down the line.
I would assume so too.
It'd remove some doubt if you know, they'd say something, but eh.
Smiles and Cries
Member
wait, was DQ11 Switch shown playable?
anyone has a link?
anyone has a link?
kuroneko0509
Member
when did they show playable dqxi on switch?
DarkLordMalik
Member
SE releasing almost every DQ spinoff overseas is something unheard of them so it only solidifies the point that they wanted to target Western market for PS4. If DQXI is localized in early 2018, I also expect a 3DS version to go with it.
They haven't said anything because it would hurt sales of the PS4/3DS versions, however immediately after it was released they announced the Western release. Why did they wait till then, was their any strategy to it? I think it was done for investors, because they had been gambling that they could maintain growth of the series in Japan alone, but once initial shipments went out, they realized that it wasn't going to pan out as they had hoped.
I think there are a number of moves that SE did with the DQ series these past few years that point to their original plan being a PS4 only release. Making a 3DS version, splitting the work/cost of releasing DQ7 in the US so late, remaking DQ8 with a bunch of western facing features to DS. A late Switch port to reuse PS4 assets, it points to decisions made after they realized they could not maintain growth, or at least that's what I see. (I also think that is why X was an MMO).
I think there are a number of moves that SE did with the DQ series these past few years that point to their original plan being a PS4 only release. Making a 3DS version, splitting the work/cost of releasing DQ7 in the US so late, remaking DQ8 with a bunch of western facing features to DS. A late Switch port to reuse PS4 assets, it points to decisions made after they realized they could not maintain growth, or at least that's what I see. (I also think that is why X was an MMO).
gundamkyoukai
Member
I should also note that PS4 is doing really well in Asia so i wonder how DQXI is going to do over there.
All Japanese companies want part of the international pie and it is not just the west .
Just like how we are also seeing more and more games coming to PC.
If SE wanted growth for the series in Japan it would have to be on mobile .
All Japanese companies want part of the international pie and it is not just the west .
Just like how we are also seeing more and more games coming to PC.
If SE wanted growth for the series in Japan it would have to be on mobile .
Two things
First the DQH western audience gamble was a failure. The second game sold significantly less than the first in the US (and also in Japan btw), Builders was a footnote in NA (both versions) and now that Nintendo no longer takes care of DQ in the west (why would they? Both DQ 7 and 8 are available on iOS and Android) the consumer base they built on the original DS has all but vanished (with Both games more or less bombing in the US).
So why should DQ11 be suddenly different from all the previous entries since SE has been trying to "build an audience" in the west over the past 3 years?
It's prety obvious SE banked on the PS4 after they saw the sluggish 3DS and WiiU sales at the begining and made plans to shift back the franchise to the PlayStation ecosystem (with PS3/4/vita releases). But by 2015 it was prety clear that the strategy wouldn't work. Vita bombed worldwide, the PS4 was barely doing anything worthwhile in Japan and the 3DS prety much took the market. That's probably when the 3DS version of the game was greenlit in a hurry to save the game.
Unless SE vastly overships DQ11 in the west or Sony banks the localisation (and has exclusive rights in NA/Europe) the game will end up selling less worldwide than DQ9. Probably significantly so because unlike DQ9, DQ11 has nothing to prevent the second hand market while beeing a lot more expensive to make.
Second : when was the switch version of DQ11 shown?
I think that while Square will try and make DQXI more of a success in the west and PS4 will be the key part of that, this is not the reason there is a PS4 version in the first place.
Expanding to PS4 from just 3DS could fit that sort of narrative. And, indeed, that's what the common assumption was for the order of events for a long time.
But then Horii described the 3DS version as an addition to the original PS4 project he only approved because of the idea of the 2D mode as a unique selling point.
That makes it look like 3DS version was added to supplement PS4 version sales in Japan, which makes it look like originally PS4 version was supposed to be enough in Japan.
Now, the recent interview makes it sound like these events were close together so that sort of thinking didn't last long, but it still sounds like there was a time where they thought that.
So I think you had a time where Horii wanted to make an HD game and where SE was willing to entertain just a PS4 version. I think that has to rely on there being a bullish attitude towards PS4 in Japan.
(Why would there be such an attitude? I think the west could still play an explanatory role here. It is in Square's best interest that Japan and the RotW are simultaneously target-able when it comes to expensive console games. SE hitting PS4 hard could help make it successful in Japan. IDK.)
RotW, Switch...these are as much a growth strategy as a strategy to make the PS4 version more worth it, imo.
Expanding to PS4 from just 3DS could fit that sort of narrative. And, indeed, that's what the common assumption was for the order of events for a long time.
But then Horii described the 3DS version as an addition to the original PS4 project he only approved because of the idea of the 2D mode as a unique selling point.
That makes it look like 3DS version was added to supplement PS4 version sales in Japan, which makes it look like originally PS4 version was supposed to be enough in Japan.
Now, the recent interview makes it sound like these events were close together so that sort of thinking didn't last long, but it still sounds like there was a time where they thought that.
So I think you had a time where Horii wanted to make an HD game and where SE was willing to entertain just a PS4 version. I think that has to rely on there being a bullish attitude towards PS4 in Japan.
(Why would there be such an attitude? I think the west could still play an explanatory role here. It is in Square's best interest that Japan and the RotW are simultaneously target-able when it comes to expensive console games. SE hitting PS4 hard could help make it successful in Japan. IDK.)
RotW, Switch...these are as much a growth strategy as a strategy to make the PS4 version more worth it, imo.
MHWilliams
Member
Not really. The run ups to both DWVII and DQIX also saw most remakes and spinoffs being localized.
I think they traded putting 1-8 on mobile for putting 11 on PS4 with Horii, Armor Project is still somewhat autonomous, however has an exclusive publishing agreement with SE. SE can't use DQ without Horii's permission, and Horii can't release DQ without SE's.
Horii has made it clear in many interviews he does not want to put the initial release of a main DQ game on mobile.
Smiles and Cries
Member
ok, I want to play this thing too I wonder what the wait is for NA for 10
Yeah this is a part of the puzzle I'm curious about. How important was it that Horii wanted it HD and why was SE willing to go with that? Because SE clearly had to be willing, but Horii's desires could be a mitigating factor in just how much they also wanted DQ PS4.
Right up there with was it indeed PS4 version greenlighted, time elapsed, and then 3DS version greenlighted as Horii suggests?
EDIT: But either way, tbc, because I have been going on and on about this, I should be clear that I think it is cool there are all these versions and I'm torn between them personally. I just think it highlights an odd, bullish decision on PS4 much like I think MHW does because these franchises are so Japan-leading. I think there had to have been thoughts that PS4 could do better in Japan.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Don't see why not .
I mean you have to go with the market conditions and adapt .
Last gen SE did it by making FF multiplat and they did the same to DQ even if it not exactly the same way .
More then ever if you want to make a game a certain way you can't depend on Japan only .
Dengeki data is out! > http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/001/570/1570202/
DQXI 3DS: 1 134 876
DQXI PS4: 945 507
Switch: 90 522 (looks like Famitsu drank something fishy this week)
Quickly glanced through, they don't seem to provide sell-through data for DQXI. Damn it.
DQXI 3DS: 1 134 876
DQXI PS4: 945 507
Switch: 90 522 (looks like Famitsu drank something fishy this week)
Quickly glanced through, they don't seem to provide sell-through data for DQXI. Damn it.
Nintendo eShop Sales: July 27th to August 2nd, 2017
Nintendo Switch
(=) 01. Splatoon 2 (Nintendo) [21.7.2017]
(=) 02. Minecraft: Nintendo Switch Edition (Mojang) [12.5.2017]
(N) 03. Namco Museum (Bandai-Namco) [28.7.2017]
(=) 04. Snipperclips: Cut it out, together! (Nintendo) [03.3.2017]
(-2) 05. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (Nintendo) [28.4.2017]
(+2) 06. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (Nintendo) [03.3.2017]
(-2) 07. ARMS (Nintendo) [16.3.2017]
(-2) 08. Levels+: Addictive Puzzle Game (flow) [13.7.2017]
(B) 09. Kamiko (Flyhigh Works) [13.04.2017]
(B) 10. ACA NeoGeo Metal Slug 2 (Hamster) [06.7.2017]
Nintendo 3DS
(=) 01. Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age (Square-Enix) [29.7.2017]
(=) 02. Kirby's Blowout Blast (Nintendo) [04.7.2017]
(=) 03. The Battle Cats POP (Ponos) [31.5.2015]
(+1) 04. Ice Station Z (Wobbly Tooth) [06.4.2017]
(B) 05. Maido Hebo Shougi (Arc System Works) [03.4.2013] [currently on sale]
(N) 06. Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2: Naruhodou Ryuunosuke no Kakugo (Capcom) [03.8.2017]
(-1) 07. ByeBye! BoxBoy! (Nintendo) [02.2.2017] (currently on sale)
(B) 08. Dai Kaitaku Jidai ~Machi o Tsukurou~ (Arc System Works) [16.12.2015] (currently on sale)
(-5) 09. Layton's Mystery Journey: Katrielle Layton and the Millionaires' Conspiracy (Level-5) [20.7.2017]
(=) 10. Bike Rider DX (Spicysoft) (was on sale)
Wii U
(=) 01. Splatoon (Nintendo) [28.5.2015]
(=) 02. Minecraft: Wii U Edition (Microsoft) [17.12.2015]
(=) 03. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (Nintendo) [03.3.2017]
(+1) 04. Mario Kart 8 (Nintendo) [29.5.2014]
(+2) 05. Art Academy: Sketchpad (Nintendo) [08.8.2013]
(+2) 06. Kirby Super Star (Nintendo, Virtual Console) [01.5.2013]
(-3) 07. Discovery (Rainy Frog) [31.8.2016] (was on sale)
(B) 08. Harvest Moon 64 (Marvelous) [05.7.2017]
(=) 09. Super Smash Bros. for Wii U (Nintendo) [06.12.2014]
(-4) 10. Super Mario World (Nintendo, Virtual Console) [27.4.2013]
https://topics.nintendo.co.jp/c/article/4d89da68-734f-11e7-8cda-063b7ac45a6d.html
Nintendo Switch
(=) 01. Splatoon 2 (Nintendo) [21.7.2017]
(=) 02. Minecraft: Nintendo Switch Edition (Mojang) [12.5.2017]
(N) 03. Namco Museum (Bandai-Namco) [28.7.2017]
(=) 04. Snipperclips: Cut it out, together! (Nintendo) [03.3.2017]
(-2) 05. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (Nintendo) [28.4.2017]
(+2) 06. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (Nintendo) [03.3.2017]
(-2) 07. ARMS (Nintendo) [16.3.2017]
(-2) 08. Levels+: Addictive Puzzle Game (flow) [13.7.2017]
(B) 09. Kamiko (Flyhigh Works) [13.04.2017]
(B) 10. ACA NeoGeo Metal Slug 2 (Hamster) [06.7.2017]
Nintendo 3DS
(=) 01. Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age (Square-Enix) [29.7.2017]
(=) 02. Kirby's Blowout Blast (Nintendo) [04.7.2017]
(=) 03. The Battle Cats POP (Ponos) [31.5.2015]
(+1) 04. Ice Station Z (Wobbly Tooth) [06.4.2017]
(B) 05. Maido Hebo Shougi (Arc System Works) [03.4.2013] [currently on sale]
(N) 06. Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2: Naruhodou Ryuunosuke no Kakugo (Capcom) [03.8.2017]
(-1) 07. ByeBye! BoxBoy! (Nintendo) [02.2.2017] (currently on sale)
(B) 08. Dai Kaitaku Jidai ~Machi o Tsukurou~ (Arc System Works) [16.12.2015] (currently on sale)
(-5) 09. Layton's Mystery Journey: Katrielle Layton and the Millionaires' Conspiracy (Level-5) [20.7.2017]
(=) 10. Bike Rider DX (Spicysoft) (was on sale)
Wii U
(=) 01. Splatoon (Nintendo) [28.5.2015]
(=) 02. Minecraft: Wii U Edition (Microsoft) [17.12.2015]
(=) 03. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (Nintendo) [03.3.2017]
(+1) 04. Mario Kart 8 (Nintendo) [29.5.2014]
(+2) 05. Art Academy: Sketchpad (Nintendo) [08.8.2013]
(+2) 06. Kirby Super Star (Nintendo, Virtual Console) [01.5.2013]
(-3) 07. Discovery (Rainy Frog) [31.8.2016] (was on sale)
(B) 08. Harvest Moon 64 (Marvelous) [05.7.2017]
(=) 09. Super Smash Bros. for Wii U (Nintendo) [06.12.2014]
(-4) 10. Super Mario World (Nintendo, Virtual Console) [27.4.2013]
https://topics.nintendo.co.jp/c/article/4d89da68-734f-11e7-8cda-063b7ac45a6d.html
Bruno MB
Member
Prediction League Dragon Quest XI Edition Results
Congratulations to:
- Bruno MB, for winning by units!
- Kanann, for winning by mean error %!
Congratulations to:
- Bruno MB, for winning by units!
- Kanann, for winning by mean error %!
Code:
BY UNITS BY MEAN ERROR %
1 Bruno MB 158.642 1 Kanann 10,99%
2 DKHF 176.679 2 noshten 12,34%
3 u_neek 188.642 3 astrogamer 12,37%
4 Yeshua 190.614 4 Fisico 12,79%
5 Fisico 193.479 5 Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule 14,57%
6 astrogamer 193.642 6 Bruno MB 14,79%
7 horuhe 201.967 7 horuhe 14,80%
8 noshten 212.642 8 u_neek 15,48%
9 Kenzodielocke 268.642 9 redblack85 15,89%
10 noobie 278.550 10 DKHF 17,16%
11 jj984jj 333.706 11 Yeshua 17,29%
12 redblack85 347.614 12 noobie 18,06%
13 Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule 352.614 13 Chris1964 18,12%
14 Chris1964 356.840 14 Kenzodielocke 19,10%
15 Kanann 380.614 15 LordKano 19,96%
16 -Setsuna- 398.642 16 Eolz 20,49%
17 AdventureRacing 410.874 17 -Setsuna- 21,32%
18 LordKano 433.642 18 DarkLordMalik 21,36%
19 dno_1966 433.642 19 TheLegendaryN 21,84%
20 Yagami_Sama 444.482 20 Zedark 22,34%
21 Orgen 451.614 21 Orgen 22,70%
22 Datschge 460.614 22 jj984jj 23,00%
23 DarkLordMalik 468.220 23 dno_1966 23,55%
24 TheLegendaryN 469.126 24 Thoraxes 23,58%
25 KAORIII 477.230 25 KAORIII 24,46%
26 ethomaz 493.874 26 AdventureRacing 25,44%
27 Eolz 520.614 27 ajjow 25,57%
28 ajjow 541.614 28 sinonobu 26,36%
29 Zedark 623.642 29 Yagami_Sama 26,87%
30 Thoraxes 625.614 30 ynwzh 26,97%
31 PshycoNinja 626.550 31 Datschge 27,63%
32 sinonobu 631.550 32 casiopao 28,53%
33 saichi 719.105 33 PshycoNinja 29,02%
34 casiopao 730.614 34 saichi 29,27%
35 ynwzh 1.032.706 35 ethomaz 33,46%
Code:
Famitsu Zedark TheLegenda sinonobu LordKano Yagami_Sam-Setsuna- Kenzodieloastrogamer dno_1966 u_neek jj984jj ajjow Chris1964 Thoraxes Kanann ynwzh Datschge redblack85
[PS4] PlayStation 4 Hardware 93.954 100.000 120.000 80.000 95.000 64.340 100.000 130.000 120.000 125.000 105.000 110.000 85.000 98.765 75.000 90.000 100.000 60.000 74.000
[3DS] Nintendo 3DS Hardware 126.790 90.000 150.000 80.000 75.000 75.357 65.000 105.000 120.000 95.000 80.000 64.000 64.000 78.901 110.000 120.000 120.000 80.000 110.000
[PS4] Dragon Quest XI 950.338 800.000 700.000 760.000 700.000 756.435 900.000 820.000 820.000 755.000 850.000 780.000 850.000 789.012 430.000 850.000 600.000 720.000 857.000
[3DS] Dragon Quest XI 1.130.468 700.000 1.300.000 750.000 1.000.000 1.300.000 850.000 1.050.000 1.100.000 955.000 1.100.000 1.215.000 1.500.000 987.654 1.200.000 1.400.000 1.800.000 1.280.000 1.348.000
PshycoNinj Orgen Bruno MB Yeshua noobie DarkLordMa saichi casiopao KAORIII ethomaz AdventureR noshten Fisico Daphnes No DKHF horuhe Eolz
65.000 77.000 105.000 90.000 78.000 88.888 101.112 90.000 87.600 65.000 80.000 96.000 86.000 85.000 110.493 102.563 80.000
90.000 84.000 80.000 60.000 85.000 77.777 67.890 70.000 58.000 42.000 60.000 87.000 92.000 103.000 75.591 83.305 101.000
555.000 691.000 855.000 850.000 785.000 666.666 637.081 600.000 876.000 1.100.000 1.250.000 910.000 834.567 850.000 890.376 801.447 697.000
965.000 1.263.000 1.125.000 1.150.000 1.075.000 999.999 1.470.258 1.450.000 802.720 900.000 1.100.000 1.000.000 1.165.432 1.350.000 1.081.489 1.129.486 1.358.000
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STATISITCS Famitsu GAF_AVG UNDER OVER MIN MAX CLOSEST BY
[PS4] PlayStation 4 Hardware 93.954 91.993 54% 46% 60.000 130.000 95.000 LordKano
[3DS] Nintendo 3DS Hardware 126.790 85.681 97% 3% 42.000 150.000 120.000 astrogamer
[PS4] Dragon Quest XI 950.338 788.188 94% 6% 430.000 1.250.000 910.000 noshten
[3DS] Dragon Quest XI 1.130.468 1.149.173 54% 46% 700.000 1.800.000 1.129.486 horuheDark Cloud
Member
How much has Snipperclips sold? It's always near the top on eshop.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
The thing to take into consideration is this game was probably in development in 2013 or so.
So sales planning had to have been a factor when putting this on ps4
I'd also like to know when the last time 3 systems sold over 80K on a non-holiday/non-launch week
Wut? In japan maybe, outside of japan isn't even close to PS4 now, let alone if we compare the first year number.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
They're only talking about Japan if you look through the conversation otherwise the comment about the PS4 being the least successful console at this point that DQ has released on doesn't make much sense.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Orniletter
Banned
We're in a japanese sales thread. Take a guess what the other poster was refering to.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Even so they are talking about why DQ was on PS4 .
So it don't really make sense to only talk about one country .
DQ is really big in Japan but none of these companies make consoles games only thinking about Japan .
Still SE made a smart move now we have to see if the series will get any growth in Asia or the west .
Amazon continues with Switch restocks the entire week. Bic Camera shipments will give an idea for this week.
Code:
+-----------------+-----+---------+---------+---------+
| Week | BIC | M-C | FAM | DEN |
+-----------------+-----+---------+---------+---------+
| May 22 - May 28 | 93 | 27.146 | 27.440 | 24.612 |
| May 29 - Jun 04 | 84 | 23.524 | 25.274 | 24.735 |
| Jun 05 - Jun 11 | 83 | 27.291 | 28.293 | 29.020 |
| Jun 12 - Jun 18 | 99 | 37.709 | 49.440 | 43.850 |
| Jun 19 - Jun 25 | 59 | 22.361 | 26.964 | 22.495 |
| Jun 26 - Jul 02 | 54 | 25.805 | 24.736 | 25.442 |
| Jul 03 - Jul 09 | 120 | 26.256 | 36.143 | 32.769 |
| Jul 10 - Jul 16 | 63 | 31.906 | 25.154 | 24.462 |
| Jul 17 - Jul 23 | 138+| 98.999 | 102.581 | 93.611 |+ preordered Splatoon 2 bundles
| Jul 24 - Jul 30 | 500 | 89.314 | 105.697 | 90.522 |
| Jul 31 - Aug 06 | | | | |
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Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Starting to turn into a pattern...
Thank you.
Seriously, thank you. I needed this shit to be entirely convinced of something I was thinking about for a while: leaving GAF for at least one year.
I just feel like, by being a Nintendo fan and by sustaining a specific theory that shouldn't be this ostracised since it should be rational enough (a very successful platform in Japan and WW getting support from Japanese third party developers) I shouldn't feel as inferior of a person as I feel staying here and even trying to bring more contexts to discussions when it's possible. It's probably a specific period in GAF history where the vast amount of users just aren't fit for discussions and just want to confirm their bias anyway on every side, extremising their own opinions so they are considered and not ignored, but I just don't see enough stimulations. What's the purpose of trying to discuss a hot topic and to receive as most frequent answers "No it won't", followed by "For reasons / 'cause PS4 baby / cause Nintendo baby / 'cause nothing can change, see the Wii", as well as the opposite extreme (because, let's not deny it, there are Gaffers with an insufferable Nintendo-bias here as well, and they have a good part in the current state of things). I don't feel compelled to join this kind of discussions, I just feel misplaced here. And, again, an inferior person for just being a Nintendo fan with a deep interested in sales.
So, I've decided to take a one year+ of retirement from GAF. I'll just come here to mainly check PMs (in case people want to speak with me of different topics) and check specific threads / posts, mainly from the archive. For everything else? I'm out, do whatever you want , be as trollish as you want, whatever your side is, I just can't stand to get irritated by shit like this anymore.
This unfortunately means that the eShop rankings threads will stop again, and I'm sorry it came down to this, but I feel I have to. I'll see if I can find another way to post them (Twitter?).
I just hope that the next year, when I'll be back, GAF will be a better place, including sales discussions. And hopefully my theory will see confirmations from reality itself as well
But above all a better place for rational, as-unbiased-as-possible discussions, alongside the rest.So, everyone, it's been a pleasure with some, not with others. See you the next year.
I'm don't really seeing any reason to expect growth in the west. SE hasn't done a good job building an audience and it's not like they made changes to make the series more appealing to the west.
Thank you.
Seriously, thank you. I needed this shit to be entirely convinced of something I was thinking about for a while: leaving GAF for at least one year.
I just feel like, by being a Nintendo fan and by sustaining a specific theory that shouldn't be this ostracised since it should be rational enough (a very successful platform in Japan and WW getting support from Japanese third party developers) I shouldn't feel as inferior of a person as I feel staying here and even trying to bring more contexts to discussions when it's possible. It's probably a specific period in GAF history where the vast amount of users just aren't fit for discussions and just want to confirm their bias anyway on every side, extremising their own opinions so they are considered and not ignored, but I just don't see enough stimulations. What's the purpose of trying to discuss a hot topic and to receive as most frequent answers "No it won't", followed by "For reasons / 'cause PS4 baby / ‘cause Nintendo baby / 'cause nothing can change, see the Wii", as well as the opposite extreme (because, let's not deny it, there are Gaffers with an insufferable Nintendo-bias here as well, and they have a good part in the current state of things). I don't feel compelled to join this kind of discussions, I just feel misplaced here. And, again, an inferior person for just being a Nintendo fan with a deep interested in sales.
So, I've decided to take a one year+ of retirement from GAF. I'll just come here to mainly check PMs (in case people want to speak with me of different topics) and check specific threads / posts, mainly from the archive. For everything else? I'm out, do whatever you want , be as trollish as you want, whatever your side is, I just can't stand to get irritated by shit like this anymore.
This unfortunately means that the eShop rankings threads will stop again, and I'm sorry it came down to this, but I feel I have to. I'll see if I can find another way to post them (Twitter?).
I just hope that the next year, when I'll be back, GAF will be a better place, including sales discussions. And hopefully my theory will see confirmations from reality itself as well
So, everyone, it's been a pleasure with some, not with others. See you the next year.
It sad to hear that there are gaffers making you feel this way.
SinCityAssassin
Member
I'll say "Go fuck yourself Moor" on your behalf. Hope you can come back sooner rather than later if this is your choice.