Heckler456
Banned
Yup. I liked the raw gameplay of Shadow of Mordor, so I'll probably tackle the end-game to some degree, grind or not. And I'll do it without buying any lootboxes.
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Middle-earth: Shadow of War - Review thread
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Yup. I liked the raw gameplay of Shadow of Mordor, so I'll probably tackle the end-game to some degree, grind or not. And I'll do it without buying any lootboxes.
Lord of Castamere
Member
Honestly, this is how I feel. After playing the first game, I wanted to keep engaging with the Nemesis system after the story ended, without restarting the story. That sounds like exactly what they did.
Well, Polygon doesn't say it requires loot boxes. Just that it is the easiest way.
BigEmil
Junior Member
Lol who knows, maybe when they received major backlash when microtransactions info was first made of Shadow of War maybe they quickly made the loot box shit more 'forgivable' like adjusting the loot rates etc to get less flak from reviews and gamers later on
Okay, those quotes are getting me hyped now.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Interesting to see ratings like 9 as well, that must mean it has plenty of great stuff to offer. I'll check out the IGN review soon and Game Informer too. I'd really like to know what the praise is based on.
Especially when according to other sources the game world is bland and boring. For me that is a huge downer.
Especially when according to other sources the game world is bland and boring. For me that is a huge downer.
Zombie James
Banned
So, exactly like a mobile free-to-play game.
NullPointer
Member
If they didn't attach that grinding to real world purchases we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Once you do that it becomes suspect.
Heckler456
Banned
No. Because mobile free-to-play games are actually invariably shit. Unlike this game, from which you can still get your 60 dollar's worth.
RadioactiveLobster
Member
These reviews have basically confirmed what I expected.
That delay from August to Oct was WB saying "Put MT and Lootboxes into the game."
Multiple reviews have say the entire market and MT system seems like it was an afterthought or just hamfisted in there because the [Jim Fucking Sterling Son Voice] AAA Games Industry [/Jim Fucking Sterling Son Voice] means that your game must have MT these days because reasons.
That said, I'm still going to get it because I loved the first one and the Nemesis system was the main draw of the game for me and it's drastically improved.
That delay from August to Oct was WB saying "Put MT and Lootboxes into the game."
Multiple reviews have say the entire market and MT system seems like it was an afterthought or just hamfisted in there because the [Jim Fucking Sterling Son Voice] AAA Games Industry [/Jim Fucking Sterling Son Voice] means that your game must have MT these days because reasons.
That said, I'm still going to get it because I loved the first one and the Nemesis system was the main draw of the game for me and it's drastically improved.
MadLaughter
Member
Hit up the other credited reviewers on twitter and ask them to confirm the thing about legendary orcs ONLY being in paid loot boxes. If that's true, that seems fucked up enough to be its own thread.
Edit: Apparently Orcs can be leveled up to legendary naturally, which is less bad, but still lame.
Edit: Apparently Orcs can be leveled up to legendary naturally, which is less bad, but still lame.
A free to play game usually has time-gated content that you can access quicker by paying, this is not at all that and its not even during the whole game. "exactly" is not quite that.
False Witness
Member
You can recruit and level them up in-game. This is the way the game is meant to be played. If you're just buying loot boxes for some inexplicable reason- the free currency loot boxes only go up to Epic. Paid go to Legendary.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
Do you really think EA and Activision won't exploit this somehow? Look at Dead Space 3, a game that was completely divorced from what made it's predecessors great because of the forced inclusion of MT's.
But this is what people are worried about. If they are successful in SoW it's inevitable.
So MT system that has risen worries about being Pay 4 Power system because you literally can get some powerful cards with is fine because game has content and gets some maps for free in future?
At least that is my understanding of their gambling box, feel free to correct me.
Regardless isn't it little hypocritical to judge one game (SoW) for system a lot like that mentioned above, but give another game pass on it because that system in that case gives few free maps down the line?
Golden_Pigeon
Banned
Great reviews ! I am glad the lootcases happen to be a minor issue. I would buy the game right now but budget is tight, I am going to have to wait for sales
Heckler456
Banned
And that franchise is now dead, partly due to its MT implementation.
If the lootboxes do end up being bullshit, and the game they're a part of does send up being bad, then WB will be punished for it as well.
ScaryShark
Banned
I find reviews are most helpful if they're actually read.
I don't think DS3 problem is MT's and I dont believe that single player games are doomed to loot boxes if SoW is successful so we'll have to agree to disagree.
This is my understanding. Advantage in a competitive game = BIG RED FLAG. The promise of extra free content is shit if it comes attached to a lure for microtransaction whales.
Lord of Castamere
Member
I mean, you can believe what you want, but war chests were mentioned in the gold edition, which was revealed in February.
wesleyshark
Banned
Seriously so excited to get lost in this game. Sounds like it's everything that made the first game fun, plus so much more.
wesleyshark
Banned
Why? The first game was fantastic.
WheelHoss1
Member
Yea I'll say it again
Fuck the haters and fuck the hate
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
And please stay the fuck out of the OT
We don't need you. We don't want you
Fuck the haters and fuck the hate
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
And please stay the fuck out of the OT
We don't need you. We don't want you
momshotdad
Member
I'm stoked to play this. I can't afford it now, but hopefully I'll get it for Christmas
IGN gave it a 9. Not sure about Game Informer
wesleyshark
Banned
The hate train over this game is hyperbole defined, but this isn't the correct way to defend what is a solid, enjoyable title that can speak for itself.
WheelHoss1
Member
Fight Fire With Fire
Video games serious business.
Keep fighting the good fight.
Zombie James
Banned
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VibratingDonkey
Member
Having skimmed through the PC Gamer, USgamer and Polygon reviews, I feel I'll probably get my 298kr worth out of this game. Even if its misguided direction to have lots of things makes it bloated and me tire of it before I get to the end.
That and the loot crateness is a shame. But the latter I'm pretty confident I'll be able to circumvent by cheating if need be.
I may or may not end up caring for the story and world, but I'm here primarily for the warring and battling and orcing and nemesising. It would be nicer if those other things were also nice, but I'll take it either way.
That and the loot crateness is a shame. But the latter I'm pretty confident I'll be able to circumvent by cheating if need be.
I may or may not end up caring for the story and world, but I'm here primarily for the warring and battling and orcing and nemesising. It would be nicer if those other things were also nice, but I'll take it either way.
Yui's Empire
Member
Not agreeing with his tone, but the amount of people who were hoping for this game to burn in hell was ridiculous. It's not even the worse case of monetization in a game, yet this one was torn to pieces for it. Wonder what started it all.
wesleyshark
Banned
Why stoop to that level though? They will move onto the next outrage soon enough.
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CecilRousso
Member
Yep, let's not use a forum for critique and discussion.
And yes, all arguments against the game and WB's practices are now null and void after a metacritic Score of 85+.
Fuck us.
WheelHoss1
Member
I'm from New York. There is no other level for us
This is not a critique or a discussion. It's a witch hunt
And Gaf is better than that
Loved the first game. But trailers and gameplay segments for this one were looking pretty rough.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
We can only wait and see, I certainly hope not.
As far as DS3 goes, it's a pretty straight line from MT's to it's failure. EA demanded MT's, so they had to implement a new weapon crafting system to support it. This in turn leads to some crazy OP weapons and universal ammunition. To balance this they sped up the necromorphs, which now swarm the player. It's no longer a horror game and fans of the series hate it.
It had other serious problems, but the MT's fundamentally changed the way the game was played and broke the survival horror progression.
I'm not giving it a pass just yet, I said I'm willing to see how it turns out. I don't like MT's in any form but in general a massive online shooter using them instead of a season pass is an easier pill to swallow than a single player game using them to let players skip a grind. My opinion is entirely subject to change though, I haven't played either of the games I am discussing.
ScaryShark
Banned
People really got off on not liking the first game when it won some GOTY awards in a weak year. It's a lot of the same people that would let stuff like that personally bother them.
Embarrassing. Most OTs are already a relentless circle-jerk, especially those for smaller games. OTs need more discussion and perspectives, not fewer.
True. Minor grind can be balanced and even fun. As long as the gameplay isn't predicated on it.
The other thing is that the Arkham Knight comparisons don't really make sense - Knight wasn't grindy at all but it was arguably bloated and yes the 100% ending was not worth it.
Not all heroes wear capes. Don't let them take the honor of your video game, fellow gamer.
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