Mate, that's textbook terrorism, the extent of the damage doesn't change that.
Muslims are victims of terrorism too.
Shocking, I know.
They are specifically targeting Muslims....
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Mosque in Peterborough, Canada set on fire. Mosques in Florida receive bomb threats.
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Mate, that's textbook terrorism, the extent of the damage doesn't change that.
Muslims are victims of terrorism too.
Shocking, I know.
They are specifically targeting Muslims....
Veritigo_X
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Surprise surprise, there are idiots everywhere.
Waiting for someone to call it reverse terrorism.
Gordon Shumway
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Now you're getting it!
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Evening Musuko
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I wonder if people would stop with the anti-Muslim bullshit if they realize that in a way they're supporting ISIS by doing this shit.
Yeah it's called "terrorism"
Gordon Shumway
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LQX
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Ok dudes. I relent. I was very wrong on that.
Good thing these semantic games tie into the point I was going to make:
Terrorism is defined as "the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes". Despite the fact that media is trying very hard to portray terrorism as a concept to radical Islam, terrorism is not uniquely Islamic and has a denotative definition.
Using the tactics of terrorism makes you a terrorist - after all, the only way to logically be categorized as a terrorist, one who commits acts of terrorism, is to commit acts of terrorism.
ISIS isn't just a group of particularly vile people - ISIS is a representation of the concept of terrorism, the memetic (in the sociological sense) idea of using of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce. Just killing the members of ISIS is not enough to stop that which ISIS embodies. And if we adopt their vile tactics and ideology, they have won in a most absolute way.
I would use an analogy of surgery to how we must deal with ISIS - an incision will be necessary to have the opportunity to remove the growth, but while just stabbing into the already open wound might obliterate whatever specific growth you are targeting, the patient (in this case humanity as a whole) will die. You can't just remove entire organs too - finesse is needed and in the end the incision must be closed and the body given time to heal.
EDIT: i took too long typing to make my point in a timely manner, but i think my paradigm and analogy are still valid and usefup
Terrorism is defined as "the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes". Despite the fact that media is trying very hard to portray terrorism as a concept to radical Islam, terrorism is not uniquely Islamic and has a denotative definition.
Using the tactics of terrorism makes you a terrorist - after all, the only way to logically be categorized as a terrorist, one who commits acts of terrorism, is to commit acts of terrorism.
ISIS isn't just a group of particularly vile people - ISIS is a representation of the concept of terrorism, the memetic (in the sociological sense) idea of using of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce. Just killing the members of ISIS is not enough to stop that which ISIS embodies. And if we adopt their vile tactics and ideology, they have won in a most absolute way.
I would use an analogy of surgery to how we must deal with ISIS - an incision will be necessary to have the opportunity to remove the growth, but while just stabbing into the already open wound might obliterate whatever specific growth you are targeting, the patient (in this case humanity as a whole) will die. You can't just remove entire organs too - finesse is needed and in the end the incision must be closed and the body given time to heal.
EDIT: i took too long typing to make my point in a timely manner, but i think my paradigm and analogy are still valid and usefup
This is what happens when a white guy can shoot up a church, theater, wherever and have plans for bombs all over their apartment but are simply called lone wolves or mentally disturbed. Terrorists can apparently only be Muslims.
No one has done that. Who are the imaginary people you're reading exactly?
Did you miss that the threats included killing hundreds of innocent people and bombing?Did you miss FUCKIGN SETTING FIRE TO A MOSQUE? Those aren't "people being angry at the situation". Those are fucking terrorists as well.
newtypepilot
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smh... this is exactly what isis wants....
Retaliatory violent acts on innocent people is not the answer.
Retaliatory violent acts on innocent people is not the answer.
I think explosions help too, but they aren't strictly necessary.
Evening Musuko
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It's much harder to paint an "Us vs. Them" narrative when the perpetrator looks like the majority.
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Just because you live in Canada doesnt mean there arent bigots and racists walking around still. My gf is muslim and her mother used to wear a hijab. After 9/11 while my gf was shopping with her mom a fellow Canadian went up to her called her a terrorist, used strong language and told her to rot in hell. Ever since then her mom will never wear a hijab in public again, she felt frightened, feared for her life and didnt want to be labelled as a "terrorists" ever again
MagnaderAlpha
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Pretty much. To think part of the route in defeating terror is to not give into the "blind hatred". What the attack on Paris did was rouse anti-Muslim assholes who target anybody that's Muslim and use them as scapegoats. This, in turn, gives non-violent Muslims a reason to hate the West, buckle down and join ISIS(among many other terror groups, because face it, Westerners are going to single them out regardless if they are peaceful). It's adding fuel to the fire. Yeah, ISIS is saying, "Good, those Westerns are scaring more Muslims in our direction. Bring them on in, they'll make a good army!".
andthebeatgoeson
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Where are the terrorist leaders? How come they aren't saying anything? We need the leaders to step up and hold these guys accountable.
Good news.
A few months ago, I walked into a Tim Horton's with my aunt who wears a hijab and some white dude gave her an ugly look and said "you just ruined my coffee" and walked out. I was shocked.
victreeb3l
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Thats amazing.
crimzonflame
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Nah Ontario, outside of the GTA, is probably the worst.
ArchedThunder
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One of the most depressing parts is that Muslims are one of ISIS's biggest targets, they've killed countless innocent Muslims in the middle east because they aren't sided with them, all these idiots are doing by burning down mosques and threatening Muslims in our own countries is doing ISIS's work for them.
crimsonheadGCN
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That's good news.
I was expecting it to happen again when I first heard about Paris.
LQX
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Yeah, reading that back and other comments it then hit me, shit...exactly. That's how it starts.
Again very sorry.
LookAtMeGo
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Do we know they were Christian?I remember when Jesus said to bomb anyone who wrongs you...
It never ceases to amaze me how un-Christian some Christians can be...
Either way this is terrible. Probably some punk kids.
Some of the shit I have to read on my FB on this whole incident makes me fking rage. Only reason why I don't engage these idiots is because it's a waste of my time and also for the sake of my sanity.
One of my very good Muslim friends told me that at times he wishes he wasn't labelled just as a muslim because after each attack like this he and his family has to face discrimination even without doing anything wrong. I felt so damn bad for him.
One of my very good Muslim friends told me that at times he wishes he wasn't labelled just as a muslim because after each attack like this he and his family has to face discrimination even without doing anything wrong. I felt so damn bad for him.
Whom_Gods_Annoy
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Didn't realize they were all Christian.
Gotdatmoney
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I thought this never happened in Canada though /s
True - but with the amount of anti-Muslim rehtoric coming from many of the so-called Christians lately, it's hard to believe that these acts aren't the work of individuals that claim to be Christian.
Maybe it's because Mosques are the most "visible" Islamic targets, but if this wasn't at least partly a religious statement I would imagine other "islamic" locations would have been targeted (such as an islamic school or islamic center - which exist in my area and are not 'mosques')
Ultimately, it's sad that these religions that preach love and tolerance are used as a platform for other agendas. And it's not just Islam - it's all religions.
I just don't understand (in the case of Christianity) - where is the misunderstanding of Jesus' teaching that the 2nd most important commandment was to love they neighbor as yourself (Mark 12:28-31).
Where do you get all the killing and war mongering out of that?
Anyway - my post was a frustrated knee-jerk reaction more than anything else...
edit: words
Ottawa would like to have a word with you.
Captin Quacker
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Or at the very least even the score
Lol
You Are Viewtiful
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Lol no. Is this the racist Ontario you're talking about? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9rFprD_Qf4
He's right, rural Western Canada and Quebec are where most racists are, based on hate crimes per capita.
This attack is unfortunate and I hope they find out who did this.
Toronto suburbs, where all the immigrants live, elected Rob Ford, the white parts of Toronto voted Smitherman. Take that for what you will.
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