Specifically named, I believe? I'll have to double check.Can anyone clarify if Netflix specifically named the individuals, or just used footage of them with a pseudonym attached.
It seems like the real names going off of the article, but even still cam shows are behind a pay wall in the first place so I'm not even sure if they're legally allowed to use that footage anyway. Besides it being ethically wrong and astoundingly hypocritical of course.Can anyone clarify if Netflix specifically named the individuals, or just used footage of them with a pseudonym attached.
I think this is possibly the argument that made someone with the show would think that basically doxxing someone was even remotely ok.But honestly, putting yourself on cam shows is kinda putting yourself out there to be recognised anyways. Seems to me like it comes with the territory.
It seems like the real names going off of the article, but even still cam shows are behind a pay wall in the first place so I'm not even sure if they're legally allowed to use that footage anyway. Besides it being ethically wrong and astoundingly hypocritical of course.
All good that's what I assumed, I was just adding more detail to my reply.I wouldn't have been defending Netflix either way, I just wanted to get a more accurate picture of what they did.
Rashida Jones is really into some slut-shaming, whorephobic kind of pseudo-feminism.
I gotta think that this was one of those situations where no malice was intended, but they just didn't realize they were doing something so stupid and harmful.
So let me get this straight.
That quote in the Op, that woman is annoyed that her distant relatives may stumble across the fact she's a sex worker on the internet?
By seeing videos of her being a sex worker on the internet?
You reap what you sow.
Nah, Rashida Jones is actually pretty clearly anti-sex work, and the first Hot Girls Wanted doc kinda showed that. This is just an extension of that.
They removed her anonymity and are promoting her sex work on a platform that millions of people use every day, perhaps even using her likeness to promote it. Without her permission. You don't see what might be problematic to her?
Is she anonomized on the show? Are they like blanking out faces and changing voices and whatnot?
Is she anonomized on the show? Are they like blanking out faces and changing voices and whatnot?
Now, the real names of the sex workers, who go by aliases on the internet, were released and footage of their performances have been streamed to a global audience of millions.
She's been working this angle for a little while now.
http://www.glamour.com/story/rashida-jones-major-dont-the-pornification-of-everything
http://www.thefrisky.com/2013-12-05...-told-other-women-to-stop-acting-like-whores/
https://www.bustle.com/articles/201...of-logic-or-a-big-ol-spoonful-of-slut-shaming
Pretty sure one of them didn't even know she was on the show until it was released...Is she anonomized on the show? Are they like blanking out faces and changing voices and whatnot?
There is a difference between doing a "cam show" on the internet for those interested in watching that sort of thing, and using footage of a cam show for a documentary to a mass audience about the exploitation of sex workers - something which the women may not want to be associated with. It's a simple enough distinction to understand.
Yeah I mean there is a conversation somewhere in there but she used some questionable word choice/reasoning and then doubled down on it when pressured.I can understand her inviting discussion about the over-saturation of sexual imagery and what-not, even if I'd question the idea of setting limits for other women and the lack of worrying about male musicians, but she seems weirdly fixated on purity/respectability. Anybody who starts with that shit when tut-tutting their own people earns a side-eye
Not only that, if im understanding correctly, they also doxxed them? Ridiculous. I had some reservations about the original hot girls wanted, but this is absurd.The fuck, they just grabbed some recordings of cam shows without getting approval? That is scummy as hell.
It seems like the real names going off of the article, but even still cam shows are behind a pay wall in the first place so I'm not even sure if they're legally allowed to use that footage anyway. Besides it being ethically wrong and astoundingly hypocritical of course.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding here...are these women appearing on the show for interviews or not? My impression was that these clips accompany an interview.
The article says they used real names but there aren't any quotes from the women that seem to be alleging that. Instead, they all seem to be upset that their footage has been used on netflix without permission. Which is likely not illegal even if it is behind a paywall due to fairuse. However, it is still ethically shitty.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding here...are these women appearing on the show for interviews or not? My impression was that these clips accompany an interview.
So let me get this straight.
That quote in the Op, that woman is annoyed that her distant relatives may stumble across the fact she's a sex worker on the internet?
By seeing videos of her being a sex worker on the internet?
You reap what you sow.
Yeah I mean there is a conversation somewhere in there but she used some questionable word choice/reasoning and then doubled down on it when pressured.
The OP has the answer to this bolded, man.
Sounds like the very opposite of "anonomized"
Nope. IIRC, one of the episodes deals with cam shows, and they basically just pulled footage from Periscope and a few other places as clips of what cam shows look like without actually contacting anyone in the footage. There are other episodes that have the format (interviewing people and using footage of them), but even those parts have come under fire (one of the performers said she decided during filming that she didn't want to be in this, and says they told her that they'd cut her out, but then didn't)..
The article says they used real names but there aren't any quotes from the women that seem to be alleging that.
The article says they used real names but there aren't any quotes from the women that seem to be alleging that. Instead, they all seem to be upset that their footage has been used on netflix without permission. Which is likely not illegal even if it is behind a paywall due to fairuse. However, it is still ethically shitty.
I'm no lawyer so I apologize if I'm off the mark here, but how does recording a video from a paid channel and then re-uploading it to another paid service without getting permission from the video owner not violate fair use? Rehosted porn videos get taken down all the time, and those are on free sites, Netflix is a paid service.
no one is talking about fair use policies. If they brought that stuff up when asking these people to do interviews, odds are a bunch of them would not want to participate. The producers went the extra mile and did stuff that connected women to their real lives. No one gives a shit if you're legally in the clear if you're still dicking people over.
unless you're a lawyer I guess. Or a giant Dick.
There's no saying it's a paid stream as far as I know. Check the front page of any cam site and you'll see loads of free streams.I know, I've said it's shitty, but I'm saying it also doesn't even seem to be legal.
There's no saying it's a paid stream as far as I know. Check the front page of any cam site and you'll see loads of free streams.
Afaik does something fall under fair use if the content is used for educational purposes and if it's contained to a reasonable length. Like if you'd make a documentary about US TV you could use a 10 second clip from Game of Thrones and it should​ be ok.I'm no lawyer so I apologize if I'm off the mark here, but how does recording a video from a paid channel and then re-uploading it to another paid service without getting permission from the video owner not violate fair use? Rehosted porn videos get taken down all the time, and those are on free sites, Netflix is a paid service.
Huh? I've just checked one site and the homepage ranges from full lesbian show to solo and straight couples in action. All free to watch.Yeah but do they really want to include footage of women texting and looking bored?
The majority of camgirls use MyFreeCams or Chaturbate, neither of which are behind a pay wall. As for being recorded, this is nothing new. A quick search on Pornhub will display hundreds of thousands of recorded camshows.Huh? They exposed their names and showed clips of them without their permission.
Their sites are also behind a pay wall.
Is this a bot?Does she vet all her watchers to make sure they aren't family? Or does her family just not watch porn?
Huh? I've just checked one site and the homepage ranges from full lesbian show to solo and straight couples in action. All free to watch.
I watched the first two episodes a few days ago, the first episode was about 2 female porn creators and it was not anti sex-work at all, it was very supportive of these 2 creators
Isn't Rashida Jones the one producing this show?
No it doesn't. The article never says that Netflix used their real names. All it says is that their "real names...were released". It does not say by whom. They could very well be referring to people on Reddit or 4chan doxxing them after seeing the documentary.
I'm no lawyer so I apologize if I'm off the mark here, but how does recording a video from a paid channel and then re-uploading it to another paid service without getting permission from the video owner not violate fair use? Rehosted porn videos get taken down all the time, and those are on free sites, Netflix is a paid service.
So let me get this straight.
That quote in the Op, that woman is annoyed that her distant relatives may stumble across the fact she's a sex worker on the internet?
By seeing videos of her being a sex worker on the internet?
You reap what you sow.
She's been working this angle for a little while now.
http://www.glamour.com/story/rashida-jones-major-dont-the-pornification-of-everything
http://www.thefrisky.com/2013-12-05...-told-other-women-to-stop-acting-like-whores/
https://www.bustle.com/articles/201...of-logic-or-a-big-ol-spoonful-of-slut-shaming
So let me get this straight.
That quote in the Op, that woman is annoyed that her distant relatives may stumble across the fact she's a sex worker on the internet?
By seeing videos of her being a sex worker on the internet?
You reap what you sow.