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Is there any way to backup data before changing the HDD? I wouldn't want to lose P.T. if possible
Yes.
This is the guide I used.
http://m.imgur.com/a/9giKA
Is there any way to backup data before changing the HDD? I wouldn't want to lose P.T. if possible
Well duh, of course they buy them wholesale. Obvious statement is obvious.
There will still be a price difference between 500gb and 1tb drives.
Is there any way to backup data before changing the HDD? I wouldn't want to lose P.T. if possible
You can back up the data, but iirc someone said after the restore, it'll have to check licenses of the games installed, and it'll fail for P.T.
They can always go smaller and still keep power supply and bluray player internal.
Doesn't really matter. You still don't shrug your shoulders at the need for more storage by saying, "Well you do it" to your customers.
Wow, I really don't like that. So there is no way to play a game without the drive constantly spinning save for a verification spin? What about if you wait like an hour before playing?
Thank you for answering the questions though, helps me a out a lot in what to expect when I get mine for Uncharted 4.
Where do they fit the HDD?
The PS2 didn't use or require internal storage like the PS3 and PS4 does, outside the original Fat model PS2 which was used for only one game.
I welcome any kind of power/energy saving in a revised PS4 in addition to 802.11ac, SATA3, HDMI 2.0 and an extra USB 3.0 port. However, getting rid of the Blu-Ray drive is stupid - people still use discs and it would be a waste to go all digital this early.
Where does it say they're removing the BR drive? Maybe it's a redesign that's reducing weight/power consumption.
The PS3 slim was "smaller" but definitely not that small. We've been adjusting our standards for size of consoles, after some behemoths we had (like the OG PS3) but that doesn't make the PS4 a compact console either.The console is already very small as it is. It really can't get much smaller when you factor the dimensions for both the HDD and the Blu-Ray drive.
Outside of cutting the motherboard down and resorting to an external power supply. That is the only way.
It's almost identical to the size of the PS3 Slim which was small itself.
I'd like to see the PS4 remain a similar size(it's plenty compact), so they can use improved thermals to reduce fan speeds instead of pushing things to the limit again. PS4 is surprisingly loud.The PS3 slim was "smaller" but definitely not that small. We've been adjusting our standards for size of consoles, after some behemoths we had (like the OG PS3) but that doesn't make the PS4 a compact console either.
Regarding optical drive and HDD: the optical drive itself probably takes not more more of 1/4 of the area of a PS4, and a 2.5" HDD is so small it can easily be stacked on.
This is a 2010 Mac mini, with an optical drive and an HDD as well. And internal PSU. 4 USBs, ethernet, etc. More powerful CPU I'd expect, and only really lacking in the GPU department. Still, we're talking about something possible 5 years ago.
Of course, there's a different level of expectations for console-level engineering (in which the PS4 shines), but physically, it is very possible to go way smaller and lighter than a PS4 with those HDD+optical drive requirements. Not a matter of "casing" engineering but designing a more compact, efficient (and more expensive to produce) motherboard.
Both the Xbox One and PS4 should have had 1 TB consoles at launch. Nice to see that they seem to be coming for both of them.
I'm guessing the 500 GB versions of both systems will be on sale (or have price drops) during the Holiday season to be phased out in early 2016.
Yeah, but the problem I see, is, that the 1TB model will replace the 500GB model. And so they want the keep the price high, because "Yeah guys, it's 1TB. So we have to keep the $399 price tag." So they are making more money, because of the small HDD upgrade and the price will stay nearly the same.I don't agree with that, though. As an option, that's great. But you talk about the people who will want a bigger HDD as if they are some sort of niche group. As time goes on, I'm pretty sure most people will find 500GB inadequate, if they don't already. So we're talking a large scale of people here. And I don't think it's smart to make your consumers rely on upgrading their PS4's themselves to get adequate storage space.
I'd rather see multiple SKU's, like before. Reduce the price of the 500GB model and make a 1-2TB version the current price.
Longer term, there will be price cuts. We know this is going to happen. If nothing else, Microsoft will force their hand. But for the time being, there is no need for one. It still sells perfectly well at its current price. Besides, a cheaper SKU for the current model could still be seen as a price cut.Yeah, but the problem I see, is, that the 1TB model will replace the 500GB model. And so they want the keep the price high, because "Yeah guys, it's 1TB. So we have to keep the $399 price tag." So they are making more money, because of the small HDD upgrade and the price will stay nearly the same.
I want them to reduce the price as much as possible, without any excuses. A price cut to $349 is not enough imho. And "Hey, it's a new model. It has 1TB now." would be one :/
Yep, I know. But they are clearly making money of each console sold + software + PSPlus.Longer term, there will be price cuts. We know this is going to happen. If nothing else, Microsoft will force their hand. But for the time being, there is no need for one. It still sells perfectly well at its current price. Besides, a cheaper SKU for the current model could still be seen as a price cut.
You gotta remember that $50 difference when we're talking millions of units means HUNDREDS of millions of dollars.
Not necessarily. As the price of 1TB drives has dropped there will come a point where the demand for 500GB drives is so low that they will not be any cheaper to acquire in bulk. 1TB drives are probably cheaper now than 500GB drives were when the PS4 launched. Besides, all through last gen we saw both Sony and MS both upgrade the standard capacity of their consoles as these inflection points were hit without raising prices. And I think Sony's single SKU strategy has served them well so far this gen so I don't expect them to try an introduce "premium" models other than the game specific collector's editions.
Yea I don't either I'm kinda expecting an announcement now at E3 that all future models will be sold with a 1TB HDD (apart from left over stock).
I'd like to see the PS4 remain a similar size(it's plenty compact), so they can use improved thermals to reduce fan speeds instead of pushing things to the limit again. PS4 is surprisingly loud.
Pretty much required since external storage isn't possible. PS3? Would be fine unless you own tons. PS4? Have fun deleting games all the time.
Please, please fix the damn noise levels.
The current models can't handle full load or high load without breaking past 50-60dB which is insane for a gaming console. Temperatures are great, but the damn fan noise made me sell the system. Went through four of them trying to get one that wasn't so damn loud while playing for example TLOU or games with similar stress put to the system. Even opened one up and exchanged the thermal paste myself and managed to lower it by 5-10dB. Was still too loud. Impossible to keep it running during night time without getting a headache (or waking everyone in the vicinity up.) Might be effective cooling wise, but they cheaped out plenty on the solution. They should've kept the PSU external and put all that space to use for more fans.
Would be cool if they announced a network-only (non-BD) alternative version at some point.
In that case 1TB should be the starting point imo.
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Maybe?
That would be a huge blunder on Sony's part. Majority of console software sale is physical, and that number increases with casual players. Not to mention a BD-drive costing only $20 max. It Would cripple the PS4 severely for little profit gain.
50-60 dB?? That's insane. Any proof for that? I checked PS4 noise with Noise meter on my cell phone. I got around 25 dB under heavy load ( Killzone, Witcher 3 ). I know it's not 100% accurate, but 50-60....
Still would be too expensive. $350 isn't enough of a price drop to bring the more casual gamers on board. Needs to hit that $299 sweet spot, and the difference in price between 500gb and 1tb is almost nothing.
$299 1tb with a game (tlou or something else from their 1st party portfolio).
I went through 3 PS4's and was glad that Amazon let me return it in the end. All of them were just too loud. Now I have the vertical stand and smartphone holder lying around, but I won't buy one again just to receive a noisy one. It's just too much of a hassle.
Sadly the last few products I bought from Sony all had a rather terrible build quality, so maybe I shouldn't get my hopes up at all.
Not really.We need to go slimmer.
Please have an external power brick .... like honestly my PS4 is like a jet engine which is why I only use the thing for exclusives. I'd buy this model if it fixes cooling issues and if its in the Uncharted 4 Special Edition PS4 i'd get that.
Before any of you say " oh it needs space for air flow" etc. Its on top of my entertainment stand with plenty of airflow.
I don't think so, because there's a new 500GB model certified as well in the OP image.
According to Kotaku the operating temperature of the new unit is between 5-35 degrees Celsius. New PS4 That can't be the actual machine itself can it? Could the 300g weight loss indicate them using an external PSU?