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NYT: Michael Flynn Misled Pentagon About His Russia Ties, Letter Says
- Thread starter Dalek
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Yup. Get the rope ready
BlazinSkatinAxel
Member
It is in fact, Crime Time.
Lord Frieza
Member
Can some of these charges be somehow filed as state charges, I wonder
That might be why Flynn hasn't been arrested yet. Maybe they're trying to pin some stuff on him that's outside of Trump's pardon powers
skullmuffins
Banned
I don't think you can plead the fifth if you've agreed to immunity.
Also guys,
A congressional committee could grant immunity.
TangoAlphaLima
Member
Well it hasn't been offered that I'm aware of. The Senate Intelligence Committee refused when it was suggested by Flynn's attorney.
But I was wrong. Congress can grant immunity, but it's rarely done these days. (Last time was in 2007).
The pardon power is limited by a few things though such as pardons not applying to matters pertaining to impeachment.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
He could very well be up for treason charges considering his sabotage of anti-ISIS operations. Really don't think there is an appetite to grant immunity for those actions.
Fenderputty
Banned
Is this accurate? I don't think it is. I thought we have an instance where congress has granted immunity that affected special prosecutions ability to prosecute.
Just_myles
Member
I'm so confused. Is there a link to all aggregated news? It seems like every day someone did something they're not supposed to do.
skullmuffins
Banned
Congress can't grant immunity from criminal charges, but it can grant immunity so that any testimony cannot be used as evidence against him.
Fair point, but don't you think that someone (the FBI, especially) would have bitten if he promised to give over something that would implicate Trump?
yanipheonu
Member
Hrm. I'm actually unfamiliar with how the pardoning system works.
5 minutes of research implies the power is pretty wide, and really unclear what restraints it has.
One wrinkle is accepting a presidental pardon (you can reject it) is essentially an admission of guilt, and while you're not considered a criminal, it will still remain on your record.
That said Trump can pardon someone who has yet to be convicted and tried. It also seems unclear how much power the courts have to overturn it.
Im sure others can provide more knowledgable points. Edit: and they have.
TangoAlphaLima
Member
I was wrong. They have the ability to, but rarely do it anymore. Last time was 2007.
Fenderputty
Banned
This seems like two sides of the same coin to me.
Not if they don't need what he's going to say since they already have the evidence. With all these leaks regarding Flynn, I would assume that's probably the case, but who knows.
EDIT: I''m also OK with finding out Trump is just a useful idiot. Even then he's still guilty of obstruction and probably a cover up.
Yeah it's moving on to a debate asking just what degree of fucked Flynn is at this point.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
He's doing everything in his power to stay quite because he knows the moment he decides to speak he's gonna get the ol' "polonium latte."
Lord Frieza
Member
Think of who is in this administration. Is it really that surprising?
SoundofSilence
Member
Vigorously pursue? He's going to take the 5th. There's nothing there.
PandaPandaPanda
Member
considering he already asked for immunity and didn't get it, the orange turd is probably going to pardon him if it comes to it
BobTheFork
Member
I'd wager just under 24 hours after a conviction. Yes, Trump will say that and how non of it is true people are just mad at how big his election win is.
yanipheonu
Member
"You are so fucked we had to come up with a specific name just for your case. We've been workshopping 'Hyperfucked'. You are fucked from every conceivable angle, including ways newly discovered by you."
Forcing someone to publicly take the 5th at a hearing is not nothing.
skullmuffins
Banned
In theory you could convict him on the basis of other evidence (financial records, etc.) without bringing up his congressional testimony at the criminal trial. In practice, congressional immunity can trip things up because it can be hard to prove that the case wasn't influenced somehow by the testimony, even if the rest of the evidence is sufficient. That's why Oliver North got his convictions tossed out - he testified publicly in a hearing before the FBI had their case, and although they didn't use his testimony at trial it's possible that the jurors were influenced by the coverage.
My secret hope is the IC has Trump and his goons dead-to-rights and they keep drip-feeding leaks to the press because they know Congress won't take the Russia investigation seriously unless the public pressure is overwhelming.
entremet
Member
Just more hit pieces from the lamestream media. Nothing to see here.
Lord Frieza
Member
They are obviously talking about figuring out about the leaks
Lord Frieza
Member
Not enough here yet to justify own thread, but more developments from administration.
https://twitter.com/TreyYingst
Well, that sucks. I guess it was bound to happen at some point though.
Netherscourge
Banned
I wonder how much Donald and Vladimir are paying Flynn to "Plead the 5th"?
Not enough here yet to justify own thread, but more developments from administration.
https://twitter.com/TreyYingst
The burning question is if these three are Trump hires or holdovers.
BlackGhost
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Ohh wow 🤔🤔😮Not enough here yet to justify own thread, but more developments from administration.
https://twitter.com/TreyYingst
I imagine feds are watching him to see who he asks for help/
Netherscourge
Banned
Not enough here yet to justify own thread, but more developments from administration.
https://twitter.com/TreyYingst
Sounds suspicious.
Why would you wait to fire people you think are leaking classified info?
Unless it's a set-up? Maybe Trump is "leaking" this so as to spook the actual leakers into some sort of incriminating activity?
Lord Frieza
Member
It would be hilarious if they were Trump hires, but I feel at least one of them will be a holdover
Not enough here yet to justify own thread, but more developments from administration.
https://twitter.com/TreyYingst
Doesn't this prove all leaks as true? Or rather, that these leaks are legitimate leaks and not "fake news" made up by the press.
Flynn already floated that trial balloon. Feds don't seem interested. They either don't need him or they think him sweating might unravel some more threads,
Lord Frieza
Member
Though I say that, how much holdover staff in the WH is really even left? Hasn't Trump already purged a large amount of holdover staff?
Don't worry. Trump is a master of not incriminating himself with showy public displays of stupidity.