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yes plsCan we have more games with chubby girls please?
I like a girl with a little bit of meat on her and I feel my needs are not being met by the gaming industry.
chubby lady in senran kagura 2, 100 sales from me
yes plsCan we have more games with chubby girls please?
I like a girl with a little bit of meat on her and I feel my needs are not being met by the gaming industry.
The problem lies when you make your examples using games that are supposed to be sexualizing, it would be an issue if every woman in The Last of Us was sexualized when every man was not (which happens in a lot of "serious" games), but Senran Kagura is about boobs. Using it as an example of what's wrong with the media is basically asking the game not to exist.
But like, every Japanese game ever has one lass or another showing off her tits.
If these people want to make a game for young teenagers that focuses on boobs, what is the issue? Can't the rest of us just ignore it if we don't like it?
Yeah, otaku media in general, be it games or anime or whatever, frequently has more and better-written female characters than most American media (especially gaming and other geek-focused sectors.) They just also happen to frequently dress said female characters up in revealing and/or fetish-ey outfits and otherwise pander to horny lonely males.Senran Kagura is probably the worst game you could pick to plant your anti-sexism flag on. Yes, there is oodles of fanservice. But the game goes out of its way to portay its characters as strong individuals with their own personalities and goals. It's not Shakespeare, but it's far more thorough characterization than you see in most action games. I sort of view this through a distorted categorical imperative: that fanservice is not inherently bad, but that to treat a character mere fanservice is when there is a problem.
I'd go so far as to declare that something like Yakuza is more casually sexist than Senran Kagura. Look at the way host and hostess clubs work differently in the game. When you're the host, your sole job is to keep the customer happy and spending money. When you're in a hostess club, all of the women are immediately interested in you and want to get to know you as a person. Not to mention the running trend of any woman you fight turning out to be a cross-dresser. It's never outright said, but I find the implications of such double standards to be far worse than any of Senran Kagura's in-your-face fanservice.
The author really needs to stop looking at the surface of games and examine how women as characters are portrayed, rather than what they look like. Sexism is a problem, but it's rarely immediately apparent through screenshots. It's when a game implies that there is an inherent superiority to one gender that it arises.
To the non bolded, maybe the person wishes to argue how this game came about may be a societal issue. Maybe the person wants to see this for more genders, I dunno .
And as far as the bolded goes, I dont think criticizing something is asking it not to exist
That isn't an excuse for anything though.
And as far as the bolded goes, I dont think criticizing something is asking it not to exist
Senran Kagura Burst is damaging the industry - here's how to stop it
So, do yourself, and the wider community a favour: don't read articles about its release. Try not to Youtube it. Avoid reviews. And certainly don't buy it.
To the non bolded, maybe the person wishes to argue how this game came about may be a societal issue. Maybe the person wants to see this for more genders, I dunno .
And as far as the bolded goes, I dont think criticizing something is asking it not to exist
The author is telling people not to look at reviews, or videos, or anything relating to it. He basically is asking it not to exist by encouraging people to ignore it completely. You can be critical of something without telling people to pretend it doesn't exist.
The author is telling people not to look at reviews, or videos, or anything relating to it. He basically is asking it not to exist by encouraging people to ignore it completely. You can be critical of something without telling people to pretend it doesn't exist.
People say that about games all the time. Its kind of what reviews are.
Why is that exactly?
Would you say the same about Martin Scorsese too?Most games are made by 13 year old boys in men's bodies. It explains the violence too and language too.
I'll be buying it. That shit's gonna be a collector's item here in the UK!
Replace Senran Kagura Burst with Depression Quest or Gone Home. Now how do you feel?
Niche games for niche markets shouldn't be censored because it doesn't fit a certain crowd's definition of what a game should be.
Let the market decide what should be for sale.
While men have their own problems that shouldn't be ignored, I do think women are treated a lot worse when it comes to the looks department. I mean, there's a reason why stuff like anorexia and bulimia are way more common with girls/women than men. Women are way more easily judged by their looks (beautifulness of her face, weight, size of boobiezzz, curviness, the obsessive need for make up etc.), weight being a huge factor as clothes are advertised with (near-)anorectic women instead of realistically normal weight ones. A lot of pathetic people even on this very discussion board have unrealistic images of women, where basically anyone who isn't on a Megan Fox level of sexy is a disgustingly ugly, fat bitch, "wouldn't fuck" or whatever.I find it patronising that women are assumed to get hung up over idealised body images to a degree that nobody ever expects from men. It's as if there's some unspoken assumption that women are inherently insecure and suggestible.
The only possible answer: US hates boobs. We have them in our daily papers!I want that retail copy for the US!, shit sucks that it's only digital here. Why!?
We can. We can also comment on it. We can even say we don't think it's appropriate for the age range it's aimed at. We can also say that it's part of a larger trend that treats females in video games as eye-candy, rather than actual people. We can do all of those things, to the extent that we individually feel the need to do them.
So, if you don't think this needs commentary, no one's forcing you to comment on it. But your desire not to comment isn't going to be universal.
Nah, it's pretty clear from his text that he doesn't want it to exist at all. Which is why his article is called
The author is telling people not to look at reviews, or videos, or anything relating to it. He basically is asking it not to exist by encouraging people to ignore it completely. You can be critical of something without telling people to pretend it doesn't exist.
II agree with this sentiment, insulting your readers for liking and not liking a thing is bad. And something that has increased over time with " gaming journalism ". DmC is a prime example of the not liking department, but I would rather let that fade into obscurity.Hmmm maybe, but insulting people who like this kind of thing and saying you shouldn't like this kind of thing has nothing to do with that either, I want to see this for more genders too, but I want Senran Kagura as well.
My post history is probably full of posts saying how much I'd like to play as dudes that looked more like Ian Somerhalder than The Rock, how much I want pretty boys in games and asking for shirtless Delsin in Second Son, but according to articles like this I'm part of the problem and in a lot of cases straight up a misogynist.
3D life is truly suffering.I too feel the pain of knowing you will never be a busty anime girl
Hmmm maybe, but insulting people who like this kind of thing and saying you shouldn't like this kind of thing has nothing to do with that either, I want to see this for more genders too, but I want Senran Kagura as well.
My post history is probably full of posts saying how much I'd like to play as dudes that looked more like Ian Somerhalder than The Rock, how much I want pretty boys in games and asking for shirtless Delsin in Second Son, but according to articles like this I'm part of the problem and in a lot of cases straight up a misogynist.
I too feel the pain of knowing I will never be a busty anime girl
That isn't an excuse for anything though.
Well, I wouldn't quite go that far. Visual novels in particular have a ridiculously long history of overly passive women just sitting around and waiting for the male player character to make all the moves towards forming a relationship. I find the idea of women as passive objects that only exist to be acquired to be far more offensive than any sexy costume. Also note that my negative example is another Japanese game series.Yeah, otaku media in general, be it games or anime or whatever, frequently has more and better-written female characters than most American media (especially gaming and other geek-focused sectors.) They just also happen to frequently dress said female characters up in revealing and/or fetish-ey outfits and otherwise pander to horny lonely males.
It's sort of like the "almost politically correct redneck" meme in the sense that it's almost-but-not-quite progressive, come to think of it.
We can. We can also comment on it. We can even say we don't think it's appropriate for the age range it's aimed at. We can also say that it's part of a larger trend that treats females in video games as eye-candy, rather than actual people. We can do all of those things, to the extent that we individually feel the need to do them.
So, if you don't think this needs commentary, no one's forcing you to comment on it. But your desire not to comment isn't going to be universal.
Can we have more games with chubby girls please?
I like a girl with a little bit of meat on her and I feel my needs are not being met by the gaming industry.
We can. We can also comment on it. We can even say we don't think it's appropriate for the age range it's aimed at. We can also say that it's part of a larger trend that treats females in video games as eye-candy, rather than actual people. We can do all of those things, to the extent that we individually feel the need to do them.
So, if you don't think this needs commentary, no one's forcing you to comment on it. But your desire not to comment isn't going to be universal.
Maybe it shouldn't exlusively be and that is ok.I'm not saying it's not an issue at all, but the AAA gaming experience is marketed heavily towards men,
Maybe women and other types of people wish to play more games than those types of games.therefore you're going to see a lot more men as characters. There are huge sections of the gaming industry (namely mobile and social) that cater to women, and I feel like these sections are ignored when we're talking about the problem.
If you take the gaming industry as a whole, I think women are being more and more well served. AAA gaming is a niche, and sometimes niches cater more to one group than another.
That doesn't make the problem go away.On top of that, there were more female playable characters or main characters in this year's 'Games of the Year' than ever before, so I really believe that we're making progress even within that niche.
It kind of is, multiple mediums even. Its not like 1920 anymore but its stilla big issue.We can do better, and we can do more, but it's not the horrendous issue it seemed to be made out to be last year.
All my opinion, of couse, and if you don't share it that's fine. The other side of the argument has plenty of good points to it too.
Yeah, otaku media in general, be it games or anime or whatever, frequently has more and better-written female characters than most American media (especially gaming and other geek-focused sectors.) They just also happen to frequently dress said female characters up in revealing and/or fetish-ey outfits and otherwise pander to horny lonely males.
It's sort of like the "almost politically correct redneck" meme in the sense that it's almost-but-not-quite progressive, come to think of it.
I too feel the pain of knowing you will never be a busty anime girl
Yeah, don't educate yourself on the game and just flat out ignore it because I said so.
Great advice.
I would to come out and say in this thread that the art in dragons crown was very offensive to me. The Dwarfs pecs we're enormous and It makes me self conscious that I will never attain girth like that.
3D life is truly suffering.
The world needs more cute.
I would to come out and say in this thread that the art in dragons crown was very offensive to me. The Dwarfs pecs we're enormous and It makes me self conscious that I will never attain girth like that.
How is triple a gaming niche? Its specifically designed to be over reaching as possible that is why the weird gender specfic marketing has always confused me. If you want mullions of people to buy your game, why not actively advertize to both genders. Or make your game, or I dunno advertisements gender neutral.
Your avatar is a prime target. I'm surprised that there hasn't been a drive-by post along the lines of "gee, notice how all the people who don't like the article all have anime avatars", even though there's a near-consensus that the article has tone issues (for once, tone is actually considered an issue), if nothing else. Maybe the people who'd normally post that have just washed their hands of these topics at this point or something.