That podcast was so good tbh, one of their best episodes, and I thought Matty and Cog didn't go into delusion mode, they were very upfront about where they see the brand going.
I think it's the opposite, they expected FF numbers out of like, Lost Odyssey, and when that didn't happen, they just ignored the market. It's very weird tbh.
If u believe on that. U believe in anything in life. He is a fanboy clown. Nothing more.
I understand why he thinks that since resetera became the den for xbox fanboys even between mods and admins.
Found a funny on Reset about these rumors before heading to bed. They mad-mad about this, probably upset the rumors started here and not on their purple forum
Never mind all the official signs all but verifying some aspects of the rumors, others who have corroborated them, or Phil Spencer's own tweet coming out and indirectly referring to the rumors without even debunking them when he's debunked many other rumors about Xbox almost immediately.
Nah, we gotta question the source because they're not from our forum. A special type of copium.
Welp, anyway. 'nite
There is no 'internal fight' or civil war. Everything's already been decided. You don't have a 'business update' on a whim; you do that after higher-ups have decided things weeks or even months in advance. Whatever battle there's happening on the inside (if any), it's over. It's been over.
This isn't some SEGA of America/SEGA of Japan infighting nonsense. Phil and Microsoft Gaming got stripped of their autonomy and now have to comply with whatever their superiors have deemed fit for the gaming brand going forward.
What that actually is, we'll see (or start to see) next week. But there's a 100% chance at least some of these rumors are true, given more recent circumstantial evidence. IMO they're 100% true, but we probably won't hear confirmation on most of it in a few days and certain parts would take a long time to implement, probably.
You're giving him too much credit.
I agree that a boost to gamepass will not necessarily result in better console sales. I honestly expect the opposite. What it does do though is result in a different kinda console sales. I have said already (dunno if it was in this thread or another) that I can see Xbox sales dropping to Steam deck levels. Meaning that Xbox as a console ends up selling on average around 4-5M consoles per year. And that those consoles could very well come from different OEMs not just Microsoft.
I feel Sony did stuff like that simply because they are trying to grow the service. I don't think its a bad idea though, especially in an all-digital world. Believe it or not, the time is coming when a used game market wouldn't really exist, it will be more akin to a collectors market than a used game market. Or a time will come when the only physical release you will see of games would be literal "collectors/limited editions" and even those will come with a digital key in addition to the physical disc and probably cost over $200 minimum.
what happened today? just sitting down with my coffee.Welp, Friday has already begun delivering. Going to be a loooooong weekend.
Exactly. These decisions are never spur-of-the-moment things. Hell, at the start of the current fiscal year, there would have been targets set on Phil that Xbox would have to hit or not the shift to what is about to happen would happen. That shit would have been written in stone since March 2023.
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said... I also expect them to offer some carrots to soften the blow of the stick.
Don't forget money. They'll have to give Sony a healthy cut of that gamepass revenue. I'm sure that, along with them exiting the console space, will soften the blow considerably.
I think that is what this shift is all about. Microsft will just not care. They will start treating Xbox no differently than they treat their Surface line. Xbox can even become this premium, ultra-high-end gaming PC platform. They just wouldn't care.
Sony would naturally resist gamepass, or any service like it in its current form. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with a stripped-down version of such a service. And that service likely wouldn't even have day 1 releases, maybe day 14 or 30 lol.
You know who else would be all on this, shareholders.
Sorry for triggering you, dude. A console will easily outperform a PC if the budget is 500 bucks.
I hate... I cannot stress this enough... hate posts like these. It's so much blind bias it becomes irritating.
Ok... I am not gonna get too into it. But can you, or people who think like you, point out how well a $400 "good gaming PC" plays these games?
Because that right there is what you guys just keep on missing, why compare how a $400 gaming console plays games to a $1000+ gaming PC??????? How does that even make sense? And you guys just talk like it's the exact same thing. Like everyone in the world that has only $500 to invest in a gaming platform, would be able to say, well yh I can get a good gaming PC for that price.
Here is the reality of that situation, a current-gen console at its cost of entry... will ALWAYs outperform a gaming PC if you can only spend that same amount of money. You cannot justify buying a gaming PC over a console without inherently, moving the posts.
gaming forums are absolutely not representative of the average gamer
Or consoles have a very different demographic that doesn't think the benefits of PC-gaming are worth the cost.
It was also mentioned that the money people probably looked at how much money 3rd party games were bringing in and realized that was too much money to leave on the table to trust in a division that can't sell consoles.
Definitly! But my post was for the people on here. I totally understand that getting a hi-end gaming PC is not an option for lots of people who like to play video games.
Phil Spencer's initials are PS............as in PlayStation.
Going 'third party' means releasing games right? Well that hasn't happened rally in 10 years....nor does it look like it will.
Actually, there is a valid counterargument to that, i.e., "If we put our games to their platforms and abandon our own closed ecosystem, then we also lose billions of dollars that we get from third-party software sales share."
No worries, its just something I see a lot and at times on here. And I expect with all this Xbox talk its a narrative that starts getting pushed even more. My issue with it is how untrue it generally is. And you will always find that its never spoken about just on the merits of the pricing, because it is impossible to make a case for PC gaming if that is all you do, what tends to happen is that people start, as I said, trying to move the posts and throw in all these other considerations to justify the price discrepancy.
Those show me your setup things are mostly pandering to people that feel they have something to "show off". You should know that. A lot of people just have a decent $4-600 60-65" 4K TV and have one console plugged into it. And that is perfectly ok. And make no mistake about it, even within the PC space, you can see that budget is a thing. Just look at Steam, thankfully they do a great job at tracking these things.
Don't forget it was Disney and the Porn industry that helped in Sony's favour with Blu-ray
