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Phil Spencer: announcement this week
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splattered
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Is it next week yet? All this negative energy is starting to get annoying.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Interrupting the regularly scheduled programs for an announcement.
Now back to your regularly scheduled programs.
Now back to your regularly scheduled programs.
DJ12
Member
So you now agree that Starfield is shit then?
ArcaneNLSC
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Ironically the same facial reaction/position for when Daddy Phil slips his junk in his mouthColt received a text telling him that things will be better for Xbox.
Here’s his reaction:
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Roxkis_ii
Member
So were the rumors that MS stopped producing xboxes this quarter false?
ChorizoPicozo
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it dosen't matter what they say next week...they need to execute this new vision...and that is the root of the problem.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Software licensing still applies on non-physical ecosystems. So no, they aren't losing anything unique.
You push a game to XBL/Game Pass you still need compliance to that back end. You can build for PC but if you want it on a MS controlled storefront you need to pass their cert/lot-checks specific to their ecosystem. You can't just hand them a raw binary or build pre-published on Steam or GoG and they'll simply say "have at it" even though there's nothing about that code that's alien to the hardware its intended to be run on.
So no. Licensing fees aren't going anywhere even if Xbox as a hardware offer is no more.
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Topher
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If major Bethesda games such as Starfield and Indiana Jones are going to be on PlayStation then that is much more than a "slight shift in strategy".
DJ12
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Clearly you can see he's calling audible after audible here. He hasn't got a fucking clue.
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VaultBoy101
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All of the speculation about dropping day-one GP releases brings up an interesting point. It's an advertised feature of Game Pass. Don't they have a commitment to hold to that, especially for people who've already paid for 2-3 years worth of the service? Seems like a big consumer rights issue (at least in the UK, because lol @ the idea of consumer rights in the US).
I imagine they probably have small print that says no title is a guaranteed day one release, or something like that. They could fulfill the promise with a few throwaway indie games.
I imagine they probably have small print that says no title is a guaranteed day one release, or something like that. They could fulfill the promise with a few throwaway indie games.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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Heisenberg007
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Yeah, but if they have a "business update" to share, they could theoretically update their business and change things.
DJ12
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Don't forget gears of War which I believe came from Jezza.So Bethesda and ABK games are not "high profile games?"
Topher
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Pretty sure this is the guy Tom Warren was calling out for "backtracking".
splattered
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Remember via the email exchanges Jim wanted Phil to put Bethesda games on PS if they were to sign off on the COD deal? Maybe that actually was agreed upon to get the Activision deal green lit by Sony?
VaultBoy101
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Right, but I'm specifically referring to consumers who have already given them their money based on the features of the service as advertised.
Heisenberg007
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Very unlikely because (1) that wasn't mentioned as part of the deal and (2) that wouldn't have involved XGS games like Sea of Thieves, Gears of War, etc. which are also rumored to be multiplatform.
I think it is just as simple as Xbox being in red for too long and looking for more revenue sources to ensure their survivability.
Thats not really the announcement you think it is. Yeah its gonna be somewhere in the middle but the goalpost moving from when Bethesda was acquired to now is something else, a sight to behold.
I remember when MS acquired Bethesda and then ABK.
Fun times..
The whiplash from then to now is hard to describe.
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ChorizoPicozo
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negative last week + negative this week = positive next week?
Shrap
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You do know this alone completely undermines Xbox as a platform and hardware brand?
When people see Starfield and Sea of Thieves on Playstation it's over, let alone Nintendo on top of that. You can spin and pretend it's not a big deal all day but it's the end of Xbox as a competing console platform.
This "slight shift in strategy" is a huge shift in brand perception.
xHunter
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This whole "only certain games" or "only bethesda/abk" doesnt even make sense.
The current rumours are HiFi Rush and Sea of Thieves, one of them is probably their most successful XGS game in recent times. So if the rumours are true, then there is no line between ABK + Bethesda and XGS.
If they port Sea of Thieves to Playstation, then Halo and Forza have the same probability, since they are also GaaS games.
The current rumours are HiFi Rush and Sea of Thieves, one of them is probably their most successful XGS game in recent times. So if the rumours are true, then there is no line between ABK + Bethesda and XGS.
If they port Sea of Thieves to Playstation, then Halo and Forza have the same probability, since they are also GaaS games.
yurinka
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Remember when the Xbox CFO, their head of finances, said when they acquired Bethesda that their strategy for Bethesda wasn't to make their games exclusive but instead having them 'first or best' on Xbox?
Remember Phil and Natella saying since 2017 multiple times that they wanted to put their games everywhere?
They have been doing small steps moving to a move multiplatform MS gaming division since many years ago. I think it will be another step, maybe this time announcing that all future console ABK+Zenimax games (and at least some MGS titles) will be released on PS -and when makes sense Switch-, even if some of them after a timed console exclusivity.
They may announce that are working on their next gen consoles and that the first AB games will be released very soon in GP. They may say that won't include future AB games (and who knows if MGS+Zenimax ones too) day one on GP, but instead after a year or two.
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Heisenberg007
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I think they can get away with this because they haven't announced future games with Game Pass day one, e.g., Blade. It wasn't advertised as launching on Game Pass day one.
For games they have explicitly advertised as launching on GP day one (e.g., Avowed, Indiana Jones, etc.) they would launch on Game Pass. But the ones they haven't explicitly promised might not make them liable.
The angle could be -- if somebody assumed a future game will also launch on GP and stacked up in hopes of that, that does not create an obligation for Xbox. Otherwise, consumers would have to prove that Xbox explicitly advertised that every single game, whether announced or not, will launch on Game Pass day one.
And I don't think they have ever mentioned it as explicitly as that -- although we all know that has been their implications.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
All rumors are false until proven otherwise.
Moridianae
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I think SneakersSO and Heisen have more credibility than Nate. Sorry.
Pagusas
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I'm sure their terms of service have a "reserve the right to change the terms of this agreement at anytime" wording in it. Doesn't mean it won't be a black eye though and cause Gamepass damage. IF they make the choice to do that (I dont think they will) but if they do it, it signals to me they intend to wind down gamepass as we know if now.
Mr.Phoenix
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So lets see, Bethesda stuff, and stuff from ABK, can go multiplat, and then stuff with an online MP focus too...
Yup, good thing not all their games are going multiplat then.
MisterXDTV
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What??
Disney was Blu-ray exclusive from DAY 1
It was Warner Bros that was multi-format and finally picked Blu-ray in January 2008 that made the difference...
Blu-ray was better than HD-DVD in every possible way, PS3 was the trojan horse
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HeisenbergFX4
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I tell ya I gamed with some folks last night who should know these things and they simply don't
MS is guarding this one tightly to this point
spons
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Not every single way, HD-DVD didn't have region codings, so everything was region free.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Ill think MS always exclusive games will remain Day 1 for the time being, but I'd bet that Bethesda and ABK games will be multi-plat.
Lunarorbit
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This has been a matter class on how to fuck up your message and pr. Phil tweets on Monday that they'll talk next week and then the whole week is filled with your biggest fans flipping out and disparaging your brand.
They spent the last 1.5 years fucking around in court and then follow it up with this shit show.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
No. Porn played no part. It helped with VHS/Betamax. It had no part. Porn was being consumed mostly on the internet by then.
MisterXDTV
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Most people don't even know what region coding is, they buy their players and movies in the country they live in..... Especially those countries where watch movies dubbed in their language
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The Indy trailer 2 weeks ago ended with the day 1 on game pass tag, so I think it's a safe bet that the game-pass day 1 thing isn't going anywhere for the foreseeable future.
They might change that for the next generation, with a fresh start, but I don't think it's happening for the current gen.
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hemo memo
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Just don’t change GP please. Expand on it more, make it the main focus and I would be okay if they dropped hardware production all together. Focus on software. there is a long discussion of where gaming is headed etc but for my point of view, GP focus all bring it all around one big ecosystem and budget that make sense for streaming (Netflix style) is a lower risk and offer the devs the creativity they need without their game selling or the studio is closing.
This AAAA of too big to fail games model will come crashing down and I’m personally tired of great creativity only coming from the indie scene. Boy was Hi-Fi Rush a breath of fresh air.
This AAAA of too big to fail games model will come crashing down and I’m personally tired of great creativity only coming from the indie scene. Boy was Hi-Fi Rush a breath of fresh air.
DJ12
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
When you say MS, I assume you mean corporate MS and not Xbox people.
HeisenbergFX4
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I don't believe its been shared outside a super close circle yet so basically everyone is guessing at this pointSo basically anyone saying they know what's happening is....
Like Tom Warren said very few people at Xbox doesn't even know and that seems to be the case as I know a lot more Xbox people than I do MS people and they simply don't know whats up yet
They have theories but nothing beyond that, as of last night
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Mephisto40
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And then the other studios see Bethesda actually making money and demand their games go multiplat as well
DJ12
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Poor Aaron removed from the WhatsApp group rofl
skit_data
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Snake29
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I think it will change with Indiana Jones actually. I expect it will be on GP Day 1, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's also on PS5 that day, too.
I don't care what the trailer a few weeks ago said. A LOT has obviously changed since then and much will also change by the time Indiana Jones comes out. It's due at the end of the year.
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ArcaneNLSC
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Yes that's what I said Disney and the porn industry choose Blu ray
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