Sounds about right except this. I think the 3000 was just thrown out there as an example.
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Phil Spencer: You can share your Xbox One games with any 10 people
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The issue I have with this is basically Microsoft saying 1 person can purchase a game that then 10 people have full access to. Sounds like an amazing too good to be true feature right? If it actually works like why haven't MS been touting this from the roof tops?
I'm just a little suspicious because MS have not clarified exactly what it means and it's been a while since the XBone reveal.
I'm just a little suspicious because MS have not clarified exactly what it means and it's been a while since the XBone reveal.
Because it's not full access by all 10 people. Read the wording carefully, it states that a person on your family list can access your shared library at a given time. If one of your friends on your family list is in your library then your other 9 friends cannot access anything in your library.
There are also suspicions that the "at a given time" means there will be some kind of time constraint placed on it, but it's only speculation at this point.
rohlfinator
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Oof, that's a hell of a catch.
Still could be a cool feature, but that massively cuts down the usefulness of it.
quickwhips
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Dude your wrong. Read the post at the top of this page. Just because you want it to be true doesn't mean it is.
Zoe
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What he wrote matches what's at the top of the page.
There are two reasons MS would not be making a huge fuss of this policy: 1) They don't actually want people to use it. This makes sense, since in the best case scenario this policy exists to quiet down naysayers somewhat but is something neither publishers or retailers are going to benefit from. The fewer people that use it, the better. But if that's the case, why even bother implementing it? Or 2) it's nowhere near as generous as it sounds to be. When it was first announced, all I took it to mean was that ten family members could share content across a single console. It made sense. I know some have now said that this sharing can occur across 3000 miles, but given that they also said MGSV was exclusive and have endeavored to mislead people by touting how powerful the "cloud" makes them, I remain skeptical.
It does sound too good to be true, I do not believe it will actually be as generous as it sounds, and I would not purchase the console under the expectation that this will actually pan out as promised.
Zoe
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Family sharing is different from console sharing.
Liberty4all
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Xbone is poison at this point (to me). Alot of people no longer care if Microsoft explains their complicated policies or not ... The decision has already been made not to buy one. I know that's where I'm at.
Zoe
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When someone designates a console as their primary console, all of the other accounts can use their gold privileges and games.
Sorry you will have no choice. If you do not designate 10 people of whom are your family members and share you games with them Microsoft will choose a new family for you and you will have no say.
Also family share should be renamed Xbudz.
PS4 it is then.
Iced_Eagle
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Yup, from what we've heard, that is totally possible.
Me and my brother are getting Xbox's to do just that. He lives 2,000 miles away but we can share the same library as if we were still living with each other. It's going to be sweet. Can't wait to see the blog post from Major Nelson to get all of the details.
dragonelite
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It will scan your bodytype race and other parts via always on and connected kinect.
To find the best matches for your new family.
ooh yeah scary kinect shit from 4chan.
There has to be a catch beyond one person playing at a time, I guarantee it. Perhaps the 10 people sharing must also have an account on the primary console, or sharing is time-limited or can be restricted by publishers. I don't think the other shoe will drop before launch date, but as I said, I wouldn't count on this being as generous as it sounds.
It will scan your bodytype race and other parts via always on and connected kinect.
To find the best matches for your new family.
ooh yeah scary kinect shit from 4chan.
Also, don't forget your tinfoil hat when playing.
dragonelite
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Its not included in the $499 package?
So apparently the members on the plan can play the game simultaneously from their own Xbox One's? If this is true, its really fucking good specially for me and my bro who are planning to get a console each but set it up in the same room. Though I'm thinking we should be able to do with the same thing on the PS4 as long as we buy digital. You can activate 5 PS3's per PSN account, and once installed any number of PSN accounts can access the game on the machine.
Hopefully this system carries over to the PS4.
Hopefully this system carries over to the PS4.
The XB1 uses discs, so under his definition with physical discs (he is referring to physical with his statement as deduced by the current law of first sale doctrine), it is anti-consumer, whereas Steam and other digital platforms aren't. Being digital =/= anti-consumer, preventing people from being able to exercise first sale doctrine with the physical discs they bought = anti-consumer. The term 'anti-consumer' itself is used as an adjective, and though it doesn't have a dictionary definition, the context in which he uses it gives it meaning, in this case 'restrictive' and 'against the consumer' or 'against consumer interests'.
If you want to argue semantics of the term 'anti-consumer', you'll need to provide your own definition - but since there's no official definition to use as a base, it's all very subjective save for the popular definition of the word as stated above. In fewer words: no one can force their definition of it onto others so long as no official definition exists, and you can't tell someone not to use the term just because it doesn't fit with your personal definition of what 'anti-consumer' means. As is apparent all over the place, there is a popular definition of the term, which is what people refer to when they use 'anti-consumer'. To further the point, executives in the business world know exactly what someone means when they say something is anti-consumer, whether it's policy or actions.
Of course, I could be wrong about there not being an official definition and some business law textbook may have it defined in one of its many chapters - and I'm confident it wouldn't be so different from how people use it.
Yep. Though whether it's 10 other people or 9 people + you needs to be clarified. I'm thinking the former.
Yep. Gold hasn't been clarified, but we're all assuming it's required.
Yep.
This part needs to be clarified, it seems to have caused the most confusion.
Yep, don't see why they couldn't be switched out. We need info on the specifics of how the changing out happens as well, and if there are any conditions.
Did it say this? I thought they could be added at any time. Would make sense if it were this way though.
Yep, that's how I interpreted it as well.
Bold: we aren't sure. MS needs to clarify this part as it's very vague.
3) It's not written on stone yet. The details, restrictions, etc. are being negotiated with the different parties involved.
Alx
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I don't think the 3000 miles thing is a restriction, it's just an example how there's no distance limitation, while distance makes traditional sharing more difficult.
I also think we can safely assume that sharing isn't possible cross-region. Since it is basically giving a friend a special license to use a game, you cannot have that user get a license for a product that is not available in his area.
I also think we can safely assume that sharing isn't possible cross-region. Since it is basically giving a friend a special license to use a game, you cannot have that user get a license for a product that is not available in his area.
Grimhammer
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I'm so sure that there's a catch willing to tell you what it is!
-besides the obvious, that only one person can play a single game including the owner. (And I'm sure he'll be able to kick family(friends) off.
-the ToS says Xbox One games....I think this is MS being sneaky....I bet it's just 1st party games. And just because it says "accessing the shared games library" doesn't mean every game will be enable to be put into the shared games library!
-pubs would not enable this....it's complete counter to their used game sake argument. Imagine - say MS sells 2,000,000 consoles in holiday season.....that's 200,000 potential lost sales!
-it's also obviously tied to ones good membership. If I share halo 5 to 10 friends.....then my gold membership expires, glitches or gets banned....my 10 friends lose access to halo 5. This game sharing smells of Trojans!
-besides the obvious, that only one person can play a single game including the owner. (And I'm sure he'll be able to kick family(friends) off.
-the ToS says Xbox One games....I think this is MS being sneaky....I bet it's just 1st party games. And just because it says "accessing the shared games library" doesn't mean every game will be enable to be put into the shared games library!
-pubs would not enable this....it's complete counter to their used game sake argument. Imagine - say MS sells 2,000,000 consoles in holiday season.....that's 200,000 potential lost sales!
-it's also obviously tied to ones good membership. If I share halo 5 to 10 friends.....then my gold membership expires, glitches or gets banned....my 10 friends lose access to halo 5. This game sharing smells of Trojans!
Hawk269
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Good post man. This is pretty simplified. But the part about having to be on-line to allow sharing I would think won't need to happen since the X1 is always in a low power state. So if it is completely shut off from power it wont work, but as long as it is in low power state or on you can share. Only reason I say this is that people will not want to leave their X1 in full "ON" mode to allow someone with a 3 hours time difference to play their games. But if it would still work in low power mode then that would be good.
As I posted in the another thread, MS really needs to have a meeting and get with the PR department to figure out a time and way to come out and talk about these things in detail and tell people why they are doing what they are doing.
Xbox Support twitter confirms that simultaneous play is available, whereas Xbox Chief Marketing and Strategy Officer Yusuf Mehdi confirms only one person in the plan can play the shared game at a time.
I'll go with the latter for now. MS needs to get their policy announcements straight.
I'll go with the latter for now. MS needs to get their policy announcements straight.
That's not what Mehdi said though, was it?
dragonbane
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Let's just wait for Major Nelson to post the official clarification. Then we'll know for sure. I hope they don't put too much restrictions on it...
Yes, his library-analogy is pretty much unambiguous. One person (no matter if it is the owner or not) can play one game at a time.
He also mentions a "family plan". Could that imply costs for sharing?
I am pretty sure it is one share copy at a time since the Xbox site says " You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time".
He uploaded a second part where he talks about some stuff that he was told after the interview but doesn't mention his source. Some of the stuff he mentions contradicts what official sources have said.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=OPC4XzyE3Gc#t=219s
super-heated plasma
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So I guess Major Nelson finally gave us some info?
Two players can play at the same time, but only single player games, and the rest of your family can play the other games, correct?
Two players can play at the same time, but only single player games, and the rest of your family can play the other games, correct?
Karak
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After Joe's correction that does seem to be it. I am BLOWN away that DLC is shared.
Bornstellar
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I don't think anyone that's given an answer really knows the exact specifics. What makes sense to me is:
1. The original owner of a game can always play his/her games no matter what.
2. Anyone in his family circle may check out any game from the owners library, so long as it has not already been check out by another family member.
How in the world do you check for the former with so many games having multiplayer or online half-steps? Do they have to be offline? Is it based on whether the game pulls your gamertag for anything?
Still need clarity on it.
THE:MILKMAN
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Can't be right that you and a friend can play one game and the other 8 play 8 other games at the same time!?
The licensing page says:
I bolded the important bits.
Can't wait for the clarification....this is another big mess.
The licensing page says:
Microsoft said:
I bolded the important bits.
Can't wait for the clarification....this is another big mess.
super-heated plasma
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It does give more reason for optimism about the plan though.
Really? Because it makes me worry we haven't heard the last of this, and things I thought I figured out might not be right >_>
I suspect we're only REALLY going to know how this system works once it's released... besides, they already said loaning and sharing won't be available at release... so presumably this thing won't work either(?)
I suspect we're only REALLY going to know how this system works once it's released... besides, they already said loaning and sharing won't be available at release... so presumably this thing won't work either(?)
NullPointer
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I think we need an Amir0x summary and Cheesemeister flowchart.
No they didn't. They said loaning (physical disks) and renting wouldn't be available at release.
THE:MILKMAN
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We need something. It gives me a damn headache!
I know we are all confused about the details of this policy, and I hope this doesn't add any more confusion...I'm cross-posting this from another thread because it MAY answer some of the questions that are circulating in this thread. I went to the Microsoft store today and pre-ordered. There was a Microsoft representative there, since it's in Bellevue, so I decided to talk to him about some of the concerns and hopefully clarify a few things. I summarized what he said, but it was about a 20 minute convo and I asked him a bunch of different scenarios to try to nail down some specifics. Here's the points that I posted in the Hype thread:
I'm still looking forward to Major Nelson laying it out in plain english, but there were some good tidbits. This is what the Microsoft stores are being trained with from the reps, so take that as you will.
I'm still looking forward to Major Nelson laying it out in plain english, but there were some good tidbits. This is what the Microsoft stores are being trained with from the reps, so take that as you will.
Bornstellar
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Nope, thanks Smerfy - that is helpful.
Bornstellar
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