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I would like to see a PC game with Uncharted 4 and God of War graphics.
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What is there on PC that's released that looks better? Crysis still looks better on a high end rig in certain areas, but I wouldn't say overall. What else is there? Star Citizen is definitely pushing the boundaries, but it's not out for at least a couple more years. By then I'm pretty positive that there will be a new best looking game on consoles.
Basically, without consoles to subsidize development we would all be playing a lot less games. PC only gamers should be thankful there's a healthy console community. You think you would be getting any AAA games at all if there wasn't 100 million consoles out there that could play them?
I guess I'm just curious what unique games I would be playing in a world without "PS4 holding us back" and from the examples I'm seeing I'm looking at games that primarily use keyboard+mouse and VR games. Power certainly plays a part in the latter but not the former.You can't really play Arma without a keyboard either. Well, maybe. It has gamepad controls for infantry and vehicles, but the command interface is entirely reliant on the keyboard, and probably a lot of other miscellaneous controls too. Hardware power is debatable in regards to Arma.
The overall point though is that for a long time now the best PC exclusives have not been AAA games. Most have been quirky mid-budget indie games that catch on through word-of-mouth in Steam Early Access. Budget and revenue-wise would you consider LoL, DOTA 2, StarCraft II, and Civ VI AAA? Console users like to hold up AAA games like Uncharted 4 as if they make console gaming more valuable but I think what's happened is console users and PC users simply care about different kinds of games these days. There's lots of overlap sure, but at the very margins there seem to be extremes that only get commonly made on one side or the other: quirky hardcore simulation games on PC, and super-expensive action games on consoles.
This.The PS4's moderate specifications allowed a price point that 60 million consumers could purchase creating a huge market for game developers to target. If a developer wants to push the envelop, they can target the limited base of high end CPU and GPU systems. It just likely won't be that economically viable.
even then, most of their CPUs are much better than consoles. Even so, those PCs arent used for gaming and arent factored in to statements like this.
you are thinking of creativity in a different direction. I'm thinking creativity in what is possible with better computational power. AI, level warping, population density. things like Rainbow 6 Siege's destruction werent even conceivable last gen. I want to see where development goes as we let off more and more shackles.
Of course we are always going to have the shackles of budget, even without consoles not everyone would have a top end PC, but even so I want to see what developers are capable of in a future past Jaguar. My biggest worry with incremental upgrades is that we are in for a VERY long gen.
Plenty of them with better graphics.
Hardware is what you make of it really. How many PC games look like Uncharted 4, for instance?
I would like to see a PC game with Uncharted 4 and God of War graphics.
Name those games and we can have a discussion.
Come on man... People have made Skyrim on PC look better than Uncharted 4. (No disrespect to Uncharted 4, its an amazing game)
This whole argument is stupid.
The PS4's moderate specifications allowed a price point that 60 million consumers could purchase creating a huge market for game developers to target. If a developer wants to push the envelop, they can target the limited base of high end CPU and GPU systems. It just likely won't be that economically viable.
Name those games and we can have a discussion.
If they are developing multiplats why single out the PS4? OG Xbone is the determining factor.
If they are developing multiplats why single out the PS4? OG Xbone is the determining factor.
My dude, don't do thisCome on man... People have made Skyrim on PC look better than Uncharted 4. (No disrespect to Uncharted 4, its an amazing game)
This whole argument is stupid.
Really? I want you to show me any mod that makes character models anywhere close to uncharted levels...
For real? I thought the Xbox One was 1.6 and the One S 1.75. I must be mistaken.In terms of CPU the PS4 is the weakest
1.6 Ghz - PS4
1.75 Ghz - XB1
2.1 Ghz - PS4 Pro
2.3 Ghz - Xbox One X
I'm playing horizon zd thinking there's plenty of power for talented devs. Even if you were to develop for pcs you have to account for all those crappy $500 pcs people think it's a good idea to build.
OléGunner;241336266 said:I guess in the case of Star Citizen it is yeah.
But that's really more an anomaly, few publishers would sink potential tens of millions to only really target that audience.
It's been said so many times in this thread but there is a reason why you don't\rarely ever see that. Most PC games are multiplats. The exclusives on PC are usually indie games or otherwise just not very graphically impressive because those devs don't have Sony first party developer budgets.
Multiplatform developers need to target the console spec in order to reach the largest audience. Those games will still look better on PC because the settings can go higher but that's it.
Skyrim with mods looks stunning. But the advantage of Sony's first party games is a distinct level of polish. There's no jankiness anywhere to be seen, just perfectly rendered character models and stunningly smooth animations. Sure they might not be 60fps but they are more than a sum of their parts.Come on man... People have made Skyrim on PC look better than Uncharted 4. (No disrespect to Uncharted 4, its an amazing game)
This whole argument is stupid.
For real? I thought the Xbox One was 1.6 and the One S 1.75. I must be mistaken.
In terms of CPU the PS4 is the weakest
1.6 Ghz - PS4
1.75 Ghz - XB1
2.1 Ghz - PS4 Pro
2.3 Ghz - Xbox One X
Really? I want you to show me any mod that makes character models anywhere close to uncharted levels...
In many cases it's the consoles sales that enable the developers to reach for a higher quality game on pc, the latest case in point is a statement by the Witcher 3 Developer.
Horizon: Zero Dawn and Uncharted 4 still look way better than anything on my gaming PC. If this is developers being held back I am totally fine with it.
Console games don't have the highest technical achievements in graphics department, but I've yet to see game as good looking as UC4 on pc. And no, skyrim with it's mods has not been made to look better, or even as good looking yet. I'm talking about how the games look as a whole. In skyrim you can have like 12k textures yet they won't make the game look better than UC4 on PS4. Yes the tech is more impressive on PC side but without console game AAA budgets to leverage said tech the games won't really surpass the top tier console games in anything except image quality and FPS.
Now if you took UC4 style budgets (and talent) and funneled them into a PC game targeting mid to mid-high tier PCs then you would have some unbelievable looking games that would no doubt leave the current crop of console games into dust, but as it is, this is not the reality. Star Citizen has the money and is targeted at high tier PCs and looks fricking amazing technically, but it still doesn't come together as a whole in a way that would blow my mind. It has singular elements that are mind blowing when examined in isolation though.
MS upped the CPU clock at the last moment, a bit like how Sony pulled the 8GB at the last moment, only the former happened even later in the xbox cycle, IIRC.For real? I thought the Xbox One was 1.6 and the One S 1.75. I must be mistaken.