Yeah, source must be within bandai namco or an affiliate. Serkan toto was the first to break the smash nx rumor, and he's based in japan, is he not?
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RUMOR: NX more powerful than PS4, Splatoon/Mario Maker ports in development
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Yeah, source must be within bandai namco or an affiliate. Serkan toto was the first to break the smash nx rumor, and he's based in japan, is he not?
Skittzo0413, since you're in the patent business, can I get your thoughts on:
Information processing terminal, non-transitory storage medium encoded with computer readable information processing program, information processing terminal system, and information processing method
I'm only really familiar with looking through a few companies' patents. But, this one just keeps sticking out to me. What's getting to me is that the patent seems to describe/cover some pretty random things. Most patents seem to be pretty singularly focused from Nintendo, but this one discusses 3D, the pointing stick on the 3DS, a separate tablet device, a game application involving head tracking, IR, paying with a card, etc. It is just all over the place. Does such a thing imply that these things are related, or just that the patent is trying to cover a bunch of things and nothing more? I'm just particularly interested in these descriptions of a separate device that has mostly the same functions (no buttons or anything), possible 3D, could maybe be a part of the game system (I know they show the 3DS, but this can just be representative), and so on. It is just such an odd patent that it'd be great to hear an opinion on it!
Yeah, I mean, touchscreens have gotten cheaper and all, but I just have a feeling they might not really want to try to do a home version of the DS again. It doesn't translate as well when the screens are so far apart (in my opinion!). I think they may have a screen, but I just think it may be smaller, or they are going for one (two?) small ones related to areas around the buttons. Plus, why release "remasters" of Wii U games for the NX? It seems some functionality is missing that needs adjusting to translate to the NX, and to me, it just seems like that big ol' screen.
Incredible! Bring on E3/Direct/Whatever!
LOL!
Being dumb, but isn't there a 16nm process? Might split the difference? There may not be anything in that that is console-worthy though.
(Plus, great hunting around Doctre81!)
Information processing terminal, non-transitory storage medium encoded with computer readable information processing program, information processing terminal system, and information processing method
I'm only really familiar with looking through a few companies' patents. But, this one just keeps sticking out to me. What's getting to me is that the patent seems to describe/cover some pretty random things. Most patents seem to be pretty singularly focused from Nintendo, but this one discusses 3D, the pointing stick on the 3DS, a separate tablet device, a game application involving head tracking, IR, paying with a card, etc. It is just all over the place. Does such a thing imply that these things are related, or just that the patent is trying to cover a bunch of things and nothing more? I'm just particularly interested in these descriptions of a separate device that has mostly the same functions (no buttons or anything), possible 3D, could maybe be a part of the game system (I know they show the 3DS, but this can just be representative), and so on. It is just such an odd patent that it'd be great to hear an opinion on it!
Yeah, I mean, touchscreens have gotten cheaper and all, but I just have a feeling they might not really want to try to do a home version of the DS again. It doesn't translate as well when the screens are so far apart (in my opinion!). I think they may have a screen, but I just think it may be smaller, or they are going for one (two?) small ones related to areas around the buttons. Plus, why release "remasters" of Wii U games for the NX? It seems some functionality is missing that needs adjusting to translate to the NX, and to me, it just seems like that big ol' screen.
Incredible! Bring on E3/Direct/Whatever!
LOL!
What? 20nm game console?
Nm. Probably xbox 1.5 or ps4k.
Being dumb, but isn't there a 16nm process? Might split the difference? There may not be anything in that that is console-worthy though.
(Plus, great hunting around Doctre81!)
Yup. Tokyo to be exact
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
TSMC has 16FF. GloFo adopted Samsung's 14FF.
This is a false notion in computational power that needs to go. Peak/theoretical has nothing to do with actual numbers or how a dev chooses to use them or if it can be utilized.
PLenty of games this gen and last gen have shown you can have the best hardware but a shitty engine will make it perform like ass same for api with crappy overhead.
I'm probably wrong but I remember reading NERD was fully focused on Nintendo's cloud technology.
Pokemaniac
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They definitely said it was something they were looking at, but I'm pretty sure they didn't say anything about it being a "main focus".
Skittzo0413
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I haven't looked over this application in detail, but I can certainly give you my thoughts!
So, the way patent applications work, is you have a written description (called the Specification), the bulk of which is called the Detailed Description. This is where you find the in depth discussion of how the invention works, what it can do, what's the best way to reproduce it, how to use it, etc.
Then you have the legally crucial element- the Claims. The Claims are what the inventor is saying should belong to them for the term of the patent (20 years from filing in the US). So, when someone is sued for infringing a patent, they are accused of infringing on the description of the invention that's shown in the Claims.
A lot of big companies (Nintendo included I'm guessing) will file a patent which a huge Specification that covers a large number of different Embodiments (or forms that the invention can take). In these cases the inventor can file several different Applications which each share a large portion of the same Specification, but have completely different Claims.
For Application 14/805,736 specifically, which is the App no. for the case you linked, the Claims seem to be drawn to a camera on a handheld gaming device which can sense the user's position in order to display different types of information on the screen. Figures 17A and 17B show a situation where the screen displays a pyramid shaped object, and if the user moves their head to one side, then the image on the screen will turn as if the pyramid was physically coming out of the screen. So, in essence, a more interactive 3D, or I suppose a simulated hologram.
But that's just one of the many features discussed in the Specification for this Application. There will likely be other Applications filed in the future (if not already) that have more or less the same Specification and same figures, but the Claims are drawn to completely different features, like the LAN or NFC features shown in some of the figures.
Hope that helps!
They may just not know of them. It's possible the ground zero leaker knows of ports but not of new NCL projects. I wouldn't sweat the lack of info regarding new existing/brand new IP titles. We can logically say many of them, like Mario, MK, SSB, et al. are in some stage of development. Likely DK, Metroid, M&L, and/or Fire Emblem and others as well. New IPs shouldn't be a concern. Nintendo has had tons of them, big and small from BOXBOY! to Splatoon, in recent years.
Graphics Horse
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This is interressstttinggg. I can't see the pictures unfortunately, are they showing up for you?
It is mostly a continuation of a 2014 patent for new 3DS features, says that one is included in full, but the stereoscopic tablet 200 is presumably new!
We gonna run this forum soon 🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹
Hehehe.
You're right.
Nintendo,
whose first system launch included 17 launch titles: 10-Yard Fight, Baseball, Clu Clu Land, Duck Hunt, Excitebike, Golf, Gyromite, Hogans Alley, Ice Climber, Kung Fu, Pinball, Soccer, Stack-Up, Tennis, Wild Gunman, Wrecking Crew, and Super Mario Bros, many of which are ports,
certainly Mario Advance was an anomaly
I mean let's exclude the premiere launch game of Super Mario 64 DS
Ah and I suppose Twilight Princess and Ocarina of Time 3D shouldn't count either
Tongue firmly in cheek, of course, mon ami.
THE:MILKMAN
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Skittzo0413
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The pictures aren't showing up on the WIPO page or on google patents, but you can try my link from the Public PAIR website:
http://portal.uspto.gov/pair/view/BrowsePdfServlet?objectId=ICF1ISP6PXXIFW3&lang=DINO
If that doesn't work, go to Public PAIR at the USPTO and type in the Application number 14/805736 and go to Image File Wrapper, then click on drawings. That's how I found my link.
Ah, thank you!
Just searching, is the primary thing that NVIDIA is going with 16nm and AMD with 14nm? And this is why 14nm is primarily being considered?
And speaking of rumors, has anyone been keeping tabs on those game developers who said they were working on games for the NX? That one thread mentioned there were like 3-4 developers claiming to be working on titles.
Very awesome and detailed description! I just hadn't come across such a strange patent from them before. So, basically, patents just kind of "build up" on top of each other over time by making new applications with new claims in them? (Again, I'm ignorant!) Usually they have been so focused, but it's more likely I just haven't come across one like this before is all! I guess it does make sense then that they would/could go about it this way!
Can you view the images on this site instead, under Drawings on the left? I hope this works for you! I have no idea if it's anything new because it looked like a somewhat older application, though it's just kind of getting published recently I guess? Again, it's a very strange patent! But, this one, along with a couple other QOL ones, are pushing me into tablet interaction territory!
(Or, Skittzo0413 provided a link too that might work better! The one above is huge and probably won't, haha!)
Fourth Storm
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There were rumors of 20nm slim versions of PS4/Xbone. Ultimately, 20nm proved unsuitable for larger high-power chips such as console SoCs.
I still think that NX might have started off as a 20nm part itself. If finFET becomes a reality in this console, it could be largely a result of foundries' hasty abandonment of 20nm.
I'm getting sucked into the hype again. Bring me back to harsh reality!
Schnozberry
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Mihael Mello Keehl
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really quick and lazy gif work from me. only two more months until Nintendo E3 Direct or whatever.
I'm pretty sure that we might find out more things about NX before E3 but I'm pretty sure that we are looking forward to see what they have up in their sleeves for games-wise!
IntelliHeath what have you done!
Hate to reply so close, but yeah, much better than the WIPO site, haha! I just feel I can search better with WIPO, plus being able to use international characters is a big plus! Biggest problem is linking to it is a bear.
You're right.
Nintendo,would neverwhose first system launch included 17 launch titles: 10-Yard Fight, Baseball, Clu Clu Land, Duck Hunt, Excitebike, Golf, Gyromite, Hogans Alley, Ice Climber, Kung Fu, Pinball, Soccer, Stack-Up, Tennis, Wild Gunman, Wrecking Crew, and Super Mario Bros, many of which are ports,do anythingcertainly Mario Advance was an anomalylikeI mean let's exclude the premiere launch game of Super Mario 64 DSthat.Ah and I suppose Twilight Princess and Ocarina of Time 3D shouldn't count either
Daaaaaang!
Reality is for the birds!
Schnozberry
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I know someone who works for AMD here in Austin and gave me the rundown of what it was like at the office when they announced they were taking all those penalties for abandoning 20nm. It was a bloodbath.
I'd laugh if Nintendo ended up at 14nm by sheer accident.
Skittzo0413
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Thanks!
Patents don't always "build up" on top of each other. Typically there can be groups called "Patent Families" which all have a common or similar Specification, where the inventor is targeting a different set of Claims for each one. But not every Patent is part of this kind of family.
There are other cases where the Patents or Applications aren't explicitly related to each other in a "Family" but you can tell that they both came from the same Specification write-up. It's pretty much a way for inventors and Patent Attorneys to save time when they file multiple cases.
Schnozberry
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Backing into 14nm would be quite the happy accident for them.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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More like AMD pushed Nintendo to go with 14nm Polaris.
14nm isn't confirmed. But it would be pretty dumb of them to go 28nm considering what feature set the gpu is rumored to have.
Schnozberry
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If he's a complete fraud you probably won't have to see him post anymore.
ReyVGM
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You're right.
Nintendo,would neverwhose first system launch included 17 launch titles: 10-Yard Fight, Baseball, Clu Clu Land, Duck Hunt, Excitebike, Golf, Gyromite, Hogans Alley, Ice Climber, Kung Fu, Pinball, Soccer, Stack-Up, Tennis, Wild Gunman, Wrecking Crew, and Super Mario Bros, many of which are ports,do anythingcertainly Mario Advance was an anomalylikeI mean let's exclude the premiere launch game of Super Mario 64 DSthat.Ah and I suppose Twilight Princess and Ocarina of Time 3D shouldn't count either
I said base their launch on ports. That other dude was acting as if those ports were all we were going to get.
The GBA launched with original games. Twilight Princess came to Wii first, so for all intents and purposes, the port was the GC version. Plus it had original games too.
OoT3d was not a launch title.
Fourth Storm
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I can only imagine! That cost them alot of money.
It would be a happy accident, seeing that 20nm provided die area savings but no real power draw reduction. If these murmers of x86 prove true, it might make sense from the angle that AMD were working on shrinking down the Jaguar/Puma uArch anyway, and were in the position to offer Nintendo a deal. I'd doubt PS4k could switch to Zen and pull off 100% compatibility, but we'll see I suppose.
What would the main hangup of Nintendo using a 14nm chip? Amount available?
It was designed /held back for GCN to allure Core gamers to the Wii. It was a port to the Wii w/ enhancements.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Yeah. Might not be enough yield for a holiday 2016 launch. AMD could have offered Nintendo a sweet deal to reduce low yield risk for Nintendo. I'm looking into it. It's Friday, I'm in a good mood, I'll try to make another post about what I've learned since my last verified post. It'll be rumors of course and nothing huge or confirmed.
Oh god my Twitter is nothing but memes, trash, sexual innuendo, and jokes. Some video game stuff too. Lol.
fabricated backlash
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Penalties? Could you elaborate?
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Always-honest
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Not happening, they will just go with Puma+.
ReyVGM
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Yes, I know, but it wasn't released as a port, it was released as a Wii game first. It's not a game that came later or a leftover from another console.
And we're getting off-track here. My post was for that guy that was acting as if those 4 ports was all we're going to get for launch.
Dark Cloud
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I feel dumb. I don't understand what this 14nm thing is and I don't know if that's good or bad.
money can be exchanged for goods and services
Schnozberry
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They had ordered 20nm chips and then backed out of the orders long after a lot of equipment had been ordered at their foundries and R&D had taken place. It cost them something like $35 million dollars and they were forced to layoff a significant number of employees. I think it was 7% of their overall workforce if I remember correctly.
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