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[RUMOR] Paul Thurrott: Xbox 720 is expensive: $500 or $300 for sub model, 5/21 Unveil
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24 million Kinect sold. It sold 5 million Kinect since May 2012.
Source: Gamespot
I don't know, but I do think the concept is more attractive to casuals due to the fact a controller itself is not needed.
Source: Gamespot
I don't know, but I do think the concept is more attractive to casuals due to the fact a controller itself is not needed.
I use my kinect for voice control, that's about it. I don't really own any games for it. It's basically a glorified remote to me,
BluePigGanon
Member
Is Sony in the financial position to take much of a loss on the PS4? Doesn't seem like it to me, so I'm not sure they can undercut the Xbox much if at all.
But I don't know if that even matters. If everyone agrees their hardware is "more powerful", then they can match the new Xbox or even exceed it in price a little bit, without people balking. Not by a ton mind you, but for example if the Durango is $399 and it's accepted fact the PS4 is better hardware, they could do $450 and not look crazy.
But I don't know if that even matters. If everyone agrees their hardware is "more powerful", then they can match the new Xbox or even exceed it in price a little bit, without people balking. Not by a ton mind you, but for example if the Durango is $399 and it's accepted fact the PS4 is better hardware, they could do $450 and not look crazy.
Wonder how much more it'll take to get ballmer out of there. Their recent track record doesn't give much faith in their products.
I'm still thinking that subscription model especially is going to get you bombarded to hell with annoying and intrusive ads.
AdventureRacing
Member
Yet again pretty much all the information being released is bad. It's going to be real interesting when they finally announce this thing.
Ironchef3500
Banned
Sure doesn't seem like we are getting a lot for $500....
clay_ghost
Member
so its may be TRUE and expensive to boot?
I wonder what will happen if Nintendo turns out to be the moat pro consumers next gen....
Hmm depending on the price , ps4 or wiiu for me err?
I think smt x fireemblem will push me over......
Wait there is two threads on this? Think I posted on the wrong one ... Edit time....
I wonder what will happen if Nintendo turns out to be the moat pro consumers next gen....
Hmm depending on the price , ps4 or wiiu for me err?
I think smt x fireemblem will push me over......
Wait there is two threads on this? Think I posted on the wrong one ... Edit time....
Same here, I never owned a 360 but I would buy a new one at $99 or $129 to go through a handful of the JRPGs that MS moneyhatted early on in the generation.
shinra-bansho
Member
I'm of the opinion that for a while Kinect sold well and consequently sold the system. It had a huge marketing push, it seemed novel, it had quite a few games focused on it and it brought over some of the Wii audience. For a while, the 360 sold because Kinect sold.
However, I think that was only initially. Now I'd say Kinect essentially sells because the system itself continues to sell well and it's bundled with it more often than not. It's not really a novelty now. I don't think there's any major software for it anymore? It's no longer driving sales. It's just... there.
However, I think that was only initially. Now I'd say Kinect essentially sells because the system itself continues to sell well and it's bundled with it more often than not. It's not really a novelty now. I don't think there's any major software for it anymore? It's no longer driving sales. It's just... there.
Didn't they say that they were going 400 TOPS?
McHuj
Member
No one is denying that it hasn't sold well. The question should be: do the people who bought one, have a desire to buy a new version of it? To those who haven't bought one, will a new version be enough to convince them that they want it now?
IMO, the answer to both is likely no.
soulassssns
Banned
Sony's lineup isn't going to be full of "been there done that" titles?
How is the PS4 not the most pro-consumer console (out of MS and Sony) going into next gen from what we know?
clay_ghost
Member
we do not know the price yet.
look at vita storage card price, ps4 may be expensive on some way.
Gonzo The Great
Banned
Why choose one when you can have both?
I absolutely agree with you.
I was responding to grimshawish who said Kinect stopped selling a year after release:
eso76
Member
Or maybe the console has (considerably) better specs than what has leaked so far.
I don't know. The idea still upsets me and I think Microsoft is losing a significant amount of users.
But I don't really mind always on (as long as xbox3 doesn't have issues connecting to my WiFi like my 360: it keeps disconnecting).
I mean, I doubt anyone with cable/DSL ever disconnects the xbox360, why would they.
And I think I've only bought one used game this gen, anyway.
If this means lower prices and deals on games, it's probably a win win situation for me, for someone with my videogame purchasing and fruition habits.
Semi related, I just bought a windows phone 8 (deal on a Nokia 620 i paid less than 100 ).
It's an amazing little device, and Microsoft infrastructure is truly impressive, which I never realised before.
The way everything painlessly syncs with your Microsoft account, Xbox live, music, MSN, sky drive, calendar, Skype, Facebook etc between your phone, desktop PC, tablet, console is remarkable.
And scary.
I can see Microsoft intending to go even further with this, but while fascinating and not without its advantages, this virtual identity, virtual ownership is going too far, too soon.
I don't know. The idea still upsets me and I think Microsoft is losing a significant amount of users.
But I don't really mind always on (as long as xbox3 doesn't have issues connecting to my WiFi like my 360: it keeps disconnecting).
I mean, I doubt anyone with cable/DSL ever disconnects the xbox360, why would they.
And I think I've only bought one used game this gen, anyway.
If this means lower prices and deals on games, it's probably a win win situation for me, for someone with my videogame purchasing and fruition habits.
Semi related, I just bought a windows phone 8 (deal on a Nokia 620 i paid less than 100 ).
It's an amazing little device, and Microsoft infrastructure is truly impressive, which I never realised before.
The way everything painlessly syncs with your Microsoft account, Xbox live, music, MSN, sky drive, calendar, Skype, Facebook etc between your phone, desktop PC, tablet, console is remarkable.
And scary.
I can see Microsoft intending to go even further with this, but while fascinating and not without its advantages, this virtual identity, virtual ownership is going too far, too soon.
I guess it is relative. I look at the $350 price tag of the WiiU and baulk. A $450 price tag on the PS4 would make perfect sense to me though.
LiveFromKyoto
Member
Halo 5 better be the best game ever.
BluePigGanon
Member
It will be a sad state of affairs if the Wii U ends up the most "pro-consumer" by default. There's all sorts of shit about it that's annoying as hell - I know, I have one.
Diablohead
Member
If real I hope that it uses the current 360 slim HDD method of a black box you slide into the back, i'd buy one and stick my 250gb in it and do a data rights transfer, would be lovely.
I personally can see myself playing my 360 for quite a while yet, I have unplayed games especially on xbla, stuff I have been unable to get into over the last 6 or so months as I have been too busy.
I hope the $500 rumor is true because likely outcomes:
1. It's medium-high end hardware. Comparable with PS4 but faster. I expect Microsoft to price competitively because they rake in Billions in profit and they know Sony is one blunder away from them owning the living room. With both consoles medium end or better, we'll see interesting lowest common denominator graphics that ports to PCs pretty well.
2. MS is completely arrogant and fails. With just Sony doing well, developers will design game engines that utilize 8 GB GDDR5. PC GPUs will start shipping with it and interesting game design will scale beautifully.
1. It's medium-high end hardware. Comparable with PS4 but faster. I expect Microsoft to price competitively because they rake in Billions in profit and they know Sony is one blunder away from them owning the living room. With both consoles medium end or better, we'll see interesting lowest common denominator graphics that ports to PCs pretty well.
2. MS is completely arrogant and fails. With just Sony doing well, developers will design game engines that utilize 8 GB GDDR5. PC GPUs will start shipping with it and interesting game design will scale beautifully.
The number of continents changes from different theories, and I accept that... HOWEVER, I cannot understand how SPE still tells me a "pro tip" about reading a book or something, when he clearly states that SOUTH AFRICA is a part of EUROPE...
So I choose not to answer anymore...
ON TOPIC:
From a Business perspective, is BC a good thing or a bad thing?
From a Hard/Soft perspective?
I just can't get my head around as to why MS won't do it... (According to rumors and speculation)
clay_ghost
Member
on mobile now so hard to edit into my last post.
cost,I have to support my 3ds and vita with games too. I calculate that I will have enough $$$ for one more console for most of next gen. I am also mostly a portable gamer.
Most of the exclusive Japanese games seems to be ordered work, not moneyhatted.
HocusPocus
Member
Lol if they launch at that price. Only a fool would buy it.
BluePigGanon
Member
My gut tells me BC is good for new hardware adoption rate early in a console's life: you get over the resistance of people feeling like they have to choose between their old library of games and a new console with hardly any games on it yet, it's a good marketing bullet, and you keep making money off all these other, extant titles. But it's probably bad taking a long view, because you've potentially hobbled, held yourself back and/or made compromises with your hardware's design to ensure compatibility.
jetsetfluken
Member
One thing that really needs to be edited in the OP is the notion that because of the "Stingray" 360, it means Paul thinks Durango will have no BC.
Except that is not what he said, he only listed it as a possibility and he really had no idea at all about the BC situation beyond what the public knows.
More realistic is that Durango does have BC, digital and disc or one or the other, and 360 gets a big price cut for the non-enthusiast/late adopter/casual crowd who won't be getting a Durango anywhere near the first years.
Except that is not what he said, he only listed it as a possibility and he really had no idea at all about the BC situation beyond what the public knows.
More realistic is that Durango does have BC, digital and disc or one or the other, and 360 gets a big price cut for the non-enthusiast/late adopter/casual crowd who won't be getting a Durango anywhere near the first years.
When there's a full new console involved and it's no longer a peripheral in every box, things change. They're not buying a peripheral anymore, and the package they're buying has a new and different sales pitch from the one they've likely gotten at any point in the 360's lifespan. And that pitch is an ecosystem that consolidates everything they do, similar to iTunes but in more, broader markets alongside NUI and the ability to run multiple games/apps at once.
Who knows how it'll turn out, but personally, having FB/Twitter/ESPN/CNN/etc. updates pin-able and easily accessible while your gaming/streaming/doing whatever is huge, not to mention MS will throw money at any exclusive, gaming related or not. The Windows 8 base allows them to do so much. Suddenly, stuff like the sharing charm make much more sense in the context of Durango.
You'll be fine. Don't buy too much into the doom and gloom every time a Durango thread pops up. People will boost the PS4 like they did the Vita and that has done great since it launched (sarcasm). Sony has a potentially great system on their hands but there's other factors withheld still which will ultimately spark more controversy here.
PS4 + Wii U combo.
Microsoft priced their Surface tablet at $499 as well. They may see that as the "sweet spot" for consumer electronics going forward.
One two punch of awesome.
Nealand Liquor
Member
I like my 360 and love own both HD consoles, but if all of this turns out to be true I'm done with MS next gen. I need MS to announce.this shit asap so I can stop the madness this silence is causing me.
famousmortimer
Banned
I agree. All I'm saying is that as they have put this thing together that the goal was between $300 and $400. I never said that $300 was a consideration or reasonable for what they ended up building. I just mean that they were tasked with making a machine that ended up being between $300 and $400. And who knows, with those specs they may have failed...
We do know that the jump to 8gb was last second. From what Ive heard that forced the camera out of the box and is making it a day one peripheral. But even still, Im guessing that it puts the machine right at $400 if not a bit over it.
And you can expect pretty much the same from microsoft. A kinect 2 isn't going to be cheap and I bet their HDs are even larger for what they want to do with being a DVR-like box.
Anywho, my initial point was that the 'rumors' this guy is talking about is the same thing that third party are leaking to sony. So it may or may not end up being true but this guy seemingly got the info from a source and isn't pulling it out of his ass. Or if he is that's a huge coincidence.
soulassssns
Banned
PS4 + WiiU + Xbox720 + PC = One two punch w/ a knee to the groin and a roundhouse to the face.
I have a 3DS and a Vita as well. All bases covered
Puppet Shadow
Member
To the casual observer, BC seems like it should be massively important to both Sony and MS, for two reasons.
1) In the modern age, when people buy into a digital ecosystem, they expect their purchase to work when refreshing hardware.
2) Not being comparable with legacy software means you block an entire revenue stream (360/PS3 games) from consumers with the latter devices. Imagine if when you bought a new iDevices, and the only songs you could buy from iTunes were ones that were released after the hardware you just bought. You couldn't buy any of the back catalogue, because its not compatible.
Neither MS or Sony are stupid. They would have crunched the numbers, and from a felt the potential benefits from incorporating BC were outweighed by the negatives.
So what are the negatives for inclusing BC? For the platform holder, there is a cost to include it. Either the new hardware would have to be a supercharged version of the old one (as per the WiiU, using an updated GC/Wii CPU), which limits your options/performance.
The other option is to design the new console however you want, with whatever components (e.g the PS4 eschewing the Cell and nVidia and going all AMD). Then adding in the hardware of the previous console as a separate component. This will increase cost to make. If they are targeting a specific selling point, they would have to reduce the cost of the main console (e.g. reducing its performance).
So as a consumer, a console with BC does have potential consequences. You can have an lower performance console like the WiiU, with a design hampered by full BC, or at the other end, you have a powerful console with zero BC like the PS4.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
GameSpot posted the article: http://www.gamespot.com/news/subscr...priced-at-300-with-500-standard-model-6406544
It has a Blu-ray drive.... I guess that's a positive? Even if it won't play used games, and requires mandatory installs rather than playing from discs.
I completely expect if the XBOX comes in at $300 + 2 year live, that the PS4 will come in at $350~ + 2 years PS+.
Basically makes the consoles pay as you go and still reaches the 500~ with a little extra as "interest".
MaulerX
Member
Apples to Oranges. These are two completely different markets and Microsoft did not want to undercut and piss off their partners more than they already had. Microsoft created the Surface as a poster child for their OEM partners to follow. They don't have such restrictions with the Xbox.
I don't understand why do you have to go exclusive with a company, every gen is a new slate and you go with whichever is the best. Especially after rumours of Durango not having backwards compatibility like PS4. Basically its a good time to choose between which one you prefer and not simply migrate from 360 to Durango or PS3 to PS4.
Blatantly.
PS4 + Wii U + Vita + 3DS is looking to be my gaming future.
With a handful of iOS games here and there, and a next Xbox once the games library finally warrants putting up with all the anti-consumer, anti-gamer bullshit.
Other than the problem with the drive (DVD), couldn`t the games run on an official emulator or something without compromising the hardware?
Besides didn't MS stop supporting the original Xbox as soon as the new one launched? Why would it be different this time? Because of the streaming TV and apps?
I didn't mean to compare them, just my opinion based on what we've heard so far
Do you think people are going to willfully ignore the fact that Durango might have to be always connected to the internet to work? No. MS can try to skate around that fact all they want but now that we have mainstream media picking up steam on this story, MS needs to defuse this fast before it gets out of hand.
Hear hear.