Crysis was optimized for PC and blew everything out of the water for its time. Mordor looks cross-gennish and doesn't even look better than Battlefield 4 or Crysis 3, which take less resources to max out. The fact that a $700 graphics card (780ti) can't max it out has some people wondering what exactly is going on.
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Shadow of Mordor offers Ultra texture optional download, recommends 6GB VRAM @ 1080p
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Crysis was optimized for PC and blew everything out of the water for its time. Mordor looks cross-gennish and doesn't even look better than Battlefield 4 or Crysis 3, which take less resources to max out. The fact that a $700 graphics card (780ti) can't max it out has some people wondering what exactly is going on.
Yeah, I don't understand why people are upset about this. The game seems to be pretty scalable going by the released specs - it's not an Evil Within situation.
Turin Turambar
Member
This is starting to feel like Doom 3's Ultra setting
Yeah, and did we have a 17 page thread about in 2004? I don't think so. I have the feeling the discourse has changed over the years, and not for the best.
Schweinehund
Member
My point is that ultra settings aren't always planned for current hardware. I'd rather people get over their mental block of the currently available hardware not being able to handle the highest settings on a game rather than having developers strip away the option, depriving me of the ability to go back and play a game after a few years with a new card and playing it on higher settings. If you want to bring cross platform comparisons, I'd suggest waiting until the Digital Foundry article.
I'm also really doubting your laptop can run Witcher 2 with ubersampling aka "Highest settings" at a steady 60.
jim2point0
Banned
No game in history has required 6GB of VRAM for ultra textures at 1080p (unless you overloaded your Skyrim with mods). So either they did a really shitty job of porting this over, or it's complete BS.
Guess we'll have to wait and see.
Guess we'll have to wait and see.
UnrealEck
Member
I don't think the consoles aren't the reason for 6GB VRAM requirements to accomodate very high quality textures. The 6GB VRAM requirement is there to give PC gamers something more to spend their memory budgets on should they have them that high.
Or you know, they have really high res textures..
Don't care much about ultra textures can you run high textures at 1440p with 4G of VRAM? Apparently 3gb at 1440p is a no go (not surprising really).
Edit: I thought the game was out today because I'm so used to release day review enbargos... didn't realize it isn't even out till Tuesday.
Edit: I thought the game was out today because I'm so used to release day review enbargos... didn't realize it isn't even out till Tuesday.
Yeah, they are lying or really really lazy/bad at their job. Why not both?
zephervack
Member
Remains to be seen, I honestly do hope so, those Skyrim mods that get close to using that much vram are incredible, I doubt it though, but I hope they prove me wrong.
It's very hard to think of a way they could do that when it comes to VRAM. Performance? Sure. Issues with cacheing, ok, but just straight up using double the VRAM?
Either they did a shitty job or the option is bullshit... That sounds like a reasonable set of alternatives.
Objectively Bad Opinion
Member
Sad to see people who post in the PC screenshot thread crying about a better texture options. Super sad that people would rather not have this option just because their PC can't handle it.
I'm judging you guys right now, smh.
I'm judging you guys right now, smh.
KaiserBecks
Member
Because there aren't that many multi platform next gen (well, current gen) games out yet.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Have they made any mention of texture resolution? Said they use little tiling or something? Shown any screenshots?
We've had super high res textures and photorealistic texture mods in games for ages using <1.5GB vram
So people saying 'hurdur games require more resources no longer held back by old consoles why do you complain' really aren't getting where the scepticism is comes from.
Titanfall had ugly as shit low res textures yet the game still required >2GB vram, clearly the vram requirement did not result in graphical fidelity.
Watch dogs was similar, unremarkable texture quality yet insane vram requirements.
So unless in shadow of Mordor the low textures already look par with mirror's edge/project cars etc textures , medium look as good or better than modded skyrim textures and the high or ultra ones look like something we've never seen before people wonder what the deal is....
More vram and higher requirements are supposed to translate into better graphics.
If this game is the next crysis/doom3/quake 3 of its time then great, NOONE will mind the requirements
This is what pc gamers want btw, games made for future hardware that can justify the system requirements with future gen graphics.
If it's another titanfall then can stick it up their butts
Personally I'm cynical that it won't be another titanfall (lack of trust in the developer especially considering the amount of hot air blowing they have been doing over their game) and have not forgotten all the inflated requirements other devs have been boasting (and lying about
) just for publicity (cod ghost requirements)
tldr: http://accordingtoathena.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/receipts.gif
My money is on shadow of mordor low textures looking like bf3 low textures despite using 4x the vram
Why? because I'm a cynic
We've had super high res textures and photorealistic texture mods in games for ages using <1.5GB vram
So people saying 'hurdur games require more resources no longer held back by old consoles why do you complain' really aren't getting where the scepticism is comes from.
Titanfall had ugly as shit low res textures yet the game still required >2GB vram, clearly the vram requirement did not result in graphical fidelity.
Watch dogs was similar, unremarkable texture quality yet insane vram requirements.
So unless in shadow of Mordor the low textures already look par with mirror's edge/project cars etc textures , medium look as good or better than modded skyrim textures and the high or ultra ones look like something we've never seen before people wonder what the deal is....
More vram and higher requirements are supposed to translate into better graphics.
If this game is the next crysis/doom3/quake 3 of its time then great, NOONE will mind the requirements
This is what pc gamers want btw, games made for future hardware that can justify the system requirements with future gen graphics.
If it's another titanfall then can stick it up their butts
Personally I'm cynical that it won't be another titanfall (lack of trust in the developer especially considering the amount of hot air blowing they have been doing over their game) and have not forgotten all the inflated requirements other devs have been boasting (and lying about
) just for publicity (cod ghost requirements)More strawmen and lack of reading comprehension
tldr: http://accordingtoathena.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/receipts.gif
My money is on shadow of mordor low textures looking like bf3 low textures despite using 4x the vram
Why? because I'm a cynic
This is a good thing!
It seems the controversy is over two misconceptions
It seems the controversy is over two misconceptions
- PC Ultra setting = PS4 setting. Yeah right. If they could compress these textures to fit in the 4.5 GB that the PS4 has, they would have for PC too. The PS4 doesn't have secret sauce texture compression (no, unified RAM doesn't do this).
- The PC version is unoptomized. No, it just means they have optional super high res textures. And why not? Most game art is done high res and then the resolution is lowered to save RAM. Why not just release the original art for the people with the hardware to use it? More games should (and will) do this. 6 GB of RAM will be standard in 3 years.
derExperte
Member
Also the 970/980s have better texture compression/management than older cards so maaaybeee they'll be able to use the 6GB option without problems. We'll know in less than a week.
Gipsy Danger
Member
$700 wat, the card costs less than $500. And people are making a lot of assumptions on this game without seeing the game with Ultra textures in motion.
jim2point0
Banned
Yeeaaah... they'd have to be the highest resolution textures I've ever seen O_O
A shitty\lazy port job seems to be the likeliest explanation. I'm going in with that expectation. I'd like them to prove me wrong but... I'm not holding my breath.
If the $700 graphics card had 6GB of VRAM, it would easily max it out, I believe. So it's not really a fair comparison. If the $330 970 had 6GB it would also easily max it out. The Ultra Texture Settings just requires more VRAM, not more powerful GPUs.
Now, if your $700 card can't max it out aside from texture quality, then we might have something to talk about.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
They will get a better experience because they won't have to deal with not being able to use ultra textures.
Krusenstern
Banned
I'm not planning on getting the game but I'm not even mad, even though I ordered a 970. About time games start to go all out with that fancy stuff. I just wonder how big those "Ultra" textures are.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
....or they were simply over generous with the requirement numbers.
Why not just a shitty Ultra Texture Quality setting then instead of the entire port? Judging from the requirements and amount of options (plus the fact that it's Monolith), the port seems to actually be well above average.
Yeah, I see Doom 3's Ultra setting has been brought up and as implied it certainly didn't require a 512MB card.
Just fine.
First time buying a video card?
I bet they will be pretty high res, but I'm guessing it's also lazy. The texture pack will be something like the original source textures unoptimized. What I mean by unoptimized is including 4096x4096 texture for a pebble.
Optimization is a process of cutting out and down things that aren't important. Ever optimized an animated gif? It's about seeing which frames you can drop and how few colors you can use without a big loss in quality. I'm guessing this texture pack is like saying "Whatever, give them 256 color gifs, 50 fps, full screen."
You'll still be able to use the stock, optimized textures.
All this complaining is nonsense.
People are weird and stupid sometimes. A 770 is going to run the game better and with more effects than a PS4.
The only question is will it match the texture quality?
I would think that will be close enough, and personally, I'll take a slight hit on texture resolution over NO AF, like most ocnsole games.
Blech.
Twenty7KVN
Member
Yup. I downsampling the shit out my back catalog right now.
jim2point0
Banned
That's what I meant by "complete BS" in my first post. Even 4GB sounds extremely generous (based on past experiences).
Is there any media of the PC version of this game yet?
thehillissilent
Member
I just pre-ordered this. My rig is ready.
i5 4690k
8GB RAM
GTX 770 4GB
i5 4690k
8GB RAM
GTX 770 4GB
UnrealEck
Member
Ah, you're right, I'm sorry, guess I got a bit caught up into the "hype" and didn't pay much attention to the OP!
But still, I stand behind my statement. Since these textures clearly aim for the enthusiast segment, I think it would've been respectful of the devs to show us some actual comparisons and explanations. Fact of the matter is, as of now, I haven't seen a single piece of footage that justifies such a hefty VRAM requirement. Now, if this really turns out to be some real hardware pushing feature and makes a strong and noticeable improvement to the look of the game, I'll be very happy, and will gladly replay the game a few years down the line on a stronger PC, like I did with Crysis. But right now, I don't think that's likely. In any case, I hope we get some official word about this...
Prophet Steve
Member
I really doubt that.
umm your quote proves that they couldn't use the high res textures of the 3 gig ultra settings on pc.
the consoles will never use 6 gigs of vram for textures in a single scene
the gpus just cant handle it. even with mixed textures WD is still 900p on ps4 with much lesser mip maps.
the point is again. PC games on ultra settings does not mean it equals the console version.
UnrealEck
Member
Perhaps they use many different textures.
Twenty7KVN
Member
Looks great to me.
Prophet Steve
Member
Because not every graphics effect contributes as much to VRAM.