That 3ms measurement seems to be disputed:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6890/dell-u3014-lcd-review/10
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Sony X800D well - reviewed, 4k+HDR TV with low input lag
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/6890/dell-u3014-lcd-review/10
Unknown Soldier
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The bigger Sony TVs are very nice too.
Sony is almost the only TV manufacturer who still puts 10-bit panels on most of their TVs. It's kind of a well-kept secret in the industry.
Sony is almost the only TV manufacturer who still puts 10-bit panels on most of their TVs. It's kind of a well-kept secret in the industry.
RuinerPrime
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man, buying a tv now days is so daunting. :S
longdi
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Sure. If you're happy that is good.
But being 3x as good as the very best measured monitor that is used by the fighting game community seems rather far-fetched to me and points more to a difference in definition or measurements.
longdi
Banned
Yup im happy with it, and its the only reason why it is still around with me. The edge light ips glow is horrible. Absolutely horrible in darker condtions..
Perhaps fighting gamers should buy one and test it, stocks are low as dell is replacing with 3019 model
dear heavens, now we have to look at how the pixels are setup too?
Unknown Soldier
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Only on bottom-of-the-barrel low end TVs.
Nobody tries to pull any PenTile bullshit on decent quality TVs.
a similar tv findable in europe?
iam buying a new tv because my 1080p will be 10 years old next year.
i spent 1500 in 2007,iam not planning to spend more than 100 this time.
i want a tv only for gaming, so iam searching for low inputlag, a lot of hdmi ports and all the bells n whistles needed for good gaming.
iam buying a new tv because my 1080p will be 10 years old next year.
i spent 1500 in 2007,iam not planning to spend more than 100 this time.
i want a tv only for gaming, so iam searching for low inputlag, a lot of hdmi ports and all the bells n whistles needed for good gaming.
aygomyownroad
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Man these new TVs are confusing. Want 4K HDR and now it needs to be HDR10?
Ffs!!!
Ffs!!!
for a starter TV though is it really at all bad for $550 open box at 43 inches? That's the question. I'm assuming the picture quality is still going to be a massive improvement over 1080p.
Also how do you even tell its pixel orientation on reviews, I'm trying to find it on the rtings review. nothing there really mentioned about it not being true 4k due to pixel setup
Trying to educate myself in all this, dear heavens the amount of buzz words is worse then pixel clarity during the microsoft scorpio conference lol
Now is a bad time to buy a new TV, because if you want one with all the bells and whistles you will be paying 2000 as the "current" generation of LCD Tvs only became available this year, so are all pretty pricey
Just find one with UHD Premium as a badge, and you will be fine. This will support everything you will need and the picture will be great.
UHD Premium is the 2016 equivalent of HDReady
Are there any upcoming improvements in motion resolution on LCD sets? My Sony has a motion flow clear mode which doesn't seem to interpolate (no soap opera effect) and it strobes the backlight to increase motion resolution. Downside is it is super dim when it does that so it's almost u usable. But with all this 4K and HDR, it'd be nice to have a TV that is a bit better than 300 lines of motion res.
Collateral22
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Wait I thought HDR Pro was HDR10? I seen an advert on an LG TV that said HDR Pro, otherwise known as HDR10?
Unknown Soldier
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I had to find the original post and discover it was about some crappy bottom-tier LG TV.
LG TVs are generally trash anyways with the worst upscalers in the industry and IPS instead of VA panels. I wouldn't buy an LG TV unless I was only gunning for OLED and I still wouldn't buy an LG OLED even though no one else makes OLED. Not that I would buy OLED anyways, they are technologically a dead end because they have the same pixel wear issues as plasma except worse and they don't have nearly enough brightness to offer good quality HDR.
Subpixel layout is kind of a dirty secret in the industry and no one really talks about it. Many low end TVs have this RGBW layout including a bunch of those super-cheap Chinese 4K TVs. In general, just buy a decent quality TV from a decent brand and you'll probably be able to avoid RGBW.
That's LG's marketing term for their lower end spectrum HDR TV's. Some of their panels are even RGBW pixel structured which is even worse than the $400 KU6300 in terms of picture quality.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/uh6100
I was talking in relation to the Sony one......not the LG one. This Sony one the x800D how does it fair in pixel structure. I already know LG is the WORST when it comes to the bottom end 4K's lol
So were you talking about LG panels this whole time for Pixel structure? Maybe I missed the conversation somewhere lol
this^
Seriously people need to stop trying to cheap out, if you are buying a set without UHD Premium or Dolby Vision on it, you are just buying a TV that is already outdated. It's quesionable as to how much benefit you'll get from HDR also.
I thought the name was familiar.
Sony for a long time has made the best TVs for gaming period.
http://www.blurbusters.com/sony-motionflow-impulse-mode-reduces-motion-blur-without-interpolation/
Sony for a long time has made the best TVs for gaming period.
http://www.blurbusters.com/sony-motionflow-impulse-mode-reduces-motion-blur-without-interpolation/
That stuff is very variable on the models every year. You need to reevaluate every year what the best is.
I wonder what sets even reach that lol
The new LG B6 doesn't, not even close! Vizio P series misses that as well, they barely seem to hit even 500 it seems averaged
I might as well go budget then, I'm not spending 3 grand on a TV atm
Also PS4 Pro the reason I'm buying a 4k TV doesn't even support Dolby Vision!!!!! I'll be paying more for a feature I'm not even going to use!
This right here
metareferential
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Just don't buy Sony.
Their 4k offering is pretty crap as a whole (high input lag). There are exceptions of course.
But cheaping out on a 4k hdr set just to have it is dumb.
Especially dumb if you only plan on using a PS4p (no UHD bluray, which is going to be the only highest quality source for 4k; streaming is possible but of course quality is lower).
I wouldn't call it dumb, not everybody has $3000 or even $1000 for some super duper high end TV thats gonna end up outdated after 2 years anyway.
metareferential
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The alternative is not buying a high-end set when you can't afford it. The alternative is to wait and don't buy.
Yup, and then when you buy that now depreciated priced TV we start this conversation all over again a year or two later. This time with the new technology, Super Hyper Ultra Premium HDR.
Unknown Soldier
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Yeah, I had to swim upstream in the thread myself to realize the whole RGBW sub-conversation in this thread was because someone mentioned a cheap LG set as an alternative to the Sony in the OP.
I've been buying Sony TVs since the 1990's and I haven't ever regretted owning a Sony TV. I'm not seeing any compelling reason to replace my 2013 Sony 65X900A set with an HDR set right now. Much like the legendary Sony XBR8 with the original Trimluminos RGB-LED backlights, the X900A is more or less a one-of-a-kind set as it was the first to integrate the Quantum Dots and the only one which uses the original QD tech which no one uses anymore because it's "environmentally unfriendly".
metareferential
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Once specs have settled (it will happen, as it always has) you can buy as cheap as you want and get all the minimum needed to enjoy 4k HDR 60+hz 4:4:4 bt.2020 10/12 bit (throwing everything out at the same time xD).
I'm not advocating buying a high end set every two years. Stop being so dense.
The rules are slightly different for OLED, because they can go darker than LCD can. They need to meet 540nits, but meet a blackness criteria also.
We are years off from Dolby Vision sets becoming commonplace I'd say, because they also want to use 12bit color as standard. That is going to be a standard perhaps used as reference quality or for production mastering until the technology catches up. They have really future proofed that one.
Sony have really pulled a number though, the number of people (in this thread alone, running out to buy an "HDR" TV that is already outdated is crazy.
I think its just because of the PSPro many of us want to get into the 4k field.......we aren't asking for some uber awesome ultra set. But I'm pretty sure there are a few budget TV's that you use that are actually going to make you hungry for mORE. Hence the entry level into 4K.
I bought ths one the X800D from the thread here, its entry level, I'm not expecting a ton, but I'm expecting myself to definitely be impressed for the $500 I payed for it to push me even into a higher set.
I think that's really all anyone asking for a budget one right is wanting.
An ok jump in to basically test the field and want a higher end set.
Thanks for the clarity EvB
I'm buying the TV more for the color, and 4k........the true HDR in brightness will be what I look for in a high end set when it becomes the standard years down the road.
I'm being dense but your calling people dumb for buying a TV within their means....ok smart guy. No need to get defensive lol, all I said was that there are cheaper options that provide similar quality maybe not the best but it gets the job done. I mean, am I wrong?
Unknown Soldier
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There no way you'll ever be able to buy a set which is compliant with HDR, Rec.2020, have a 10/12-bit panel, and support 4K/60 4:4:4 ever for like $500. No one is going to be able to make an LCD panel with that kind of quality for that cheap ever. LCD is an incredibly mature technology and we're making them as cheaply as they can be made already.
There's a reason why the cheap 4K "HDR" sets today don't meet anything resembling the official HDR contrast specs, and that's because the panels physically cannot do it and they never will at that kind of price point.
metareferential
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I'm not calling people dumb for buying what they can with their money. That's why I'm asking you no to be dense. But maybe it was a poor choice of words, so my bad.
What I'm calling dumb is rushing to buy a cheap set and then realize that the specs aren't there and that you won't get what you actually went out to buy (cheap or not, it's a lot of money anyway).
If it gets the job done, fine. I guess I can't be any more clearer than this.
They will be good enough in a couple years' time. At a good enough price (and when consoles will actually do 4k).
Just like with 1080p.
This is pretty much all I have been saying. Lol
TerryLee81
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HDR is tempting, but I'll wait a few years to jump in. Bought a 1080p OLED this year and it's an amazing TV, will last me a few years until 4k OLED gets cheaper and better.
Can't believe I didn't catch that. Haha
Fixed it
ACH1LL3US
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I had been checking out this sony 43x800d for 4k pc gaming.
I have been comparing to the samsung 43ku7000. Both tv's have a va panel and similar contrast, both have enhanced color crystals ( triluminous and active color crystals ).
Input lag on the sony is 33ms ( two frames ) and the samsung is at 24ms. Not a huge difference there when pc gaming.
Honestly, the build quality on the sony looks miles better and the color and motion is much better on the sony. Also the sony has NO pwm, whereas the samsung does and the pixel response on the sony is 13ms and the samsung is pushing almost 20ms. rtings reviews for both show this.
Also the sony has 4:4:4 chroma at 33ms inout lag whereas to get 4:4:4 on the samsung raises the lag to 39ms, so actually for pc use the sony is quicker and better.
I feel the sony 43x800d has an excellent panel and motion and is the best 43 inch you can get for games and pc use. Nothing in that size compares, even the pc monitors from philips and wasabi cant as those are ips and have just as much input lag.
Later Alligator
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i got the x850d and love it so far. spec wise, it looks very similar to the x800d however it is 55". it is also a good $800 cheaper then the samsung 8000 series (in Canada at least). so i'm willing to live with the fact that the specs aren't quite as good
for those saying do not buy a sony 4ktv, the set that the OP is talking about is currently rated the 3rd best bang for your buck (right behind vizio):
http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-price/under-1000/best
http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-price/under-1500/best
for those saying do not buy a sony 4ktv, the set that the OP is talking about is currently rated the 3rd best bang for your buck (right behind vizio):
http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-price/under-1000/best
http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-price/under-1500/best
Donniewahlberg
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thanks. ok i found this on amz uk
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01HM7JPMW/
seems to be the black bezel and the one i want
are these sets 10bit color - i cant seem to find any confirmation of this.
Ouch how did 650 dollars become 850 pounds :/
Should be £589 with VAT. We always get fucked over on this stuff.
Donniewahlberg
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It definitely becomes alot less enticing at that price ha 850 that is. 589 would be close to impulse buy, given my tv is 7-8 years old at this point
I'd have ordered one right now at that price. £850 is still a bit much for a lower end model.
Picked up a 65" KS8000 and ended up with some very annoying light bleed along the entire bottom and top of the screen. TV shopping sucks. I'm not sure if I should exchange it for the same set or go for Vizio or just say fuck it and get a LG OLED C6 (since it has 34ms lag over the B6's 54ms)
amstradcpc
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The problem is, now is when the quantum dot tech is introducing and it makes a great difference in panel contrast for led tvs, so a 4k hdr tv with quantum dot leds is still very expensive, and besides, the input lag with hdr on is not optimal.
For not talking about QLED tvs that will make all the led panels obsolete in the future.
For not talking about QLED tvs that will make all the led panels obsolete in the future.
Folks that plan on getting the 49" for pc games too might want to get the 55" 850d because the 850D has native 1080p 120Hz support. If your pc game handle games at 4k 30+ fps. It can benefit from running games in 1080p @ much higher frame rate. And sony tv has motionflow impluse which is like pc lightboost but only require 60hz instead of 144hz.
