ElBoxyBrown
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General Hux was the real villain. Dude was literally space Hitler when he gave his speech. Not to mention he had his shit together.
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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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Elitist1945
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I thought Ren looked a little like Javier Bardem.
There isn't a Republic any more.
Also they didn't demilitarize, someone says the Starkiller strike wipes out their "precious fleet".
No, but there had better not be an ESB 2.0. As a "reboot" of sorts it works as a jumping off point. A way to get everyone on the same page. Here on though they nee to forge a new path as much as possible.
The key here was characters and they did that very well.
Also, the First Order seems to be very similar to the Imperial remnant of the old EU (at least surface level). The Battle of Endor didn't wipe out the Empire.
He even got the sieg heil!
ryanthelion123
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You never really get a sense that there is an established Republic in this film once. It feels like it is in the same political state as it once was in A New Hope.
I lol'd that was perfect.
ryutaro's mama
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Ren was a Battle Of Endor Celebration Night baby, confirmed.
Messypandas
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[SPOILERS 2] Star Wars:The force awakens - A New A New Hope
Glycemic Beg
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Haha, that's pretty great.
SparkleMotion
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Just like how Grand Moff Tarkin was the main villain in A New Hope, not Darth Vader.
Stop making me sad about the plot dammit.
Discotheque
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don't think he looked like him at all but with the helmet he sounded A LOT like him.
can't wait to see how boss benicio del toro is as the villain. hopefully he kills snoke in the first minute, don't care for that character.
Estocolmo
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I agree! Everyone that that Kylo Ren was going to be the new Darth Vader but he is actually very unstable and insecure and shows it in the first film, unlike Darth Vader who turned to the good side in his last scene in Episode 6.
Voldemort is an unredeemable bastard. Ren is more of a late game Draco Malfoy.
In the novel Snoak confirms he has existed since before the Galactic Empire, so yeah hes on some next level scheming
Also Leia reveals that she knew Ben had been targeted by him for corruption to the Dark side.
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Am I the only one who thinks Phasma will become a "good guy"? It feels set up for it. Can't become an enemy that would actually be threatening, otherwise we would all think about "oh they should have killed her in the first movie". You can't do that.
RoninChaos
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Sorry, I disagree. Luke's saber went down a hole in cloud city. The fact that it's a weapon with so much history and is a catalyst for Rey's journey towards her usage of the force is the reason why it should be explained as far as to what happened to it. That little orange lady wasn't just holding onto it for shit's and giggles.
singhjeet29
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I wouldn't go so far as to say they have mastery over it. But I do believe both (at least Kylo) possess more raw power than anyone we've seen in the previous 6 episodes. Both need to be trained. And that's what makes me really excited about Kylo, because he's overly emotional and unstable, but clearly powerful. It will be interesting to watch how he progresses with all that potential he has with the force.
Elitist1945
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Maybe thats why I thought they were similar.
lastplayed
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Agreed. Which is kinda reflected in his lightsaber. It looks like a hackjob, something that is barely contained and lacks polish, just like its owner.
I don't know. I assume she can't really return to the First Order after her failure, so maybe she'll go on a quest for personal vengeance (to "redeem" herself)?
SparkleMotion
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Han Solo named his son Ben. Showing some posthumous respect for Obi-Wan.
Bobby Roberts
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Or it clattered to the bottom of whatever that was they were on. We never saw it enter anything.
There is a bottom to Cloud City. It's not just open to the gas clouds underneath it. There are holes that can vent stuff INTO those clouds (and pull stuff out of them, being that it's a mining facility) but just because something fell from that gantry doesn't guarantee it went into the clouds below.
Well, these Stormtroopers, at any rate. Luke was talking about joining the imperial fleet in ANH, so they are regular-ass people too.
Glass Shark
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Greg Grunberg. He plays Temmin "Snap" Wexley. He's also in the new canon novel Aftermath.
Messypandas
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Greg Grunberg. His in all of JJ's work.
Forming a galactic republic as the princess of a now-destroyed Alderaan isn't going to be quite easy to manage in even 30 years. Leia doesn't have the political charisma or underhanded scheming that Palpatine had to create the Empire so quickly.
Who's the more foolish - the fool, or the fool who names his son after the fool?
SparkleMotion
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Not in the Blu-Ray release where they replaced the stormtrooper voices with Jango Fett's voice.
Loved Ren. Agree with this post fully.
Greg Grunberg?
He's there so you don't forget J.J. Abrams directed the movie.
Edit: Beaten.
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If that's her path, it would lead her to either eventually give up on vengeance, or never be threatening/taken seriously. One way or another, this character can't really become a threat to Finn and co. again, at least not a serious one. Feels more like she would be the kind of character who is constantly trying to attack the heroes but always fails in self-defacing comical ways (not sure what the trope name is for that).
My guess is Finn will attract her, she'll wonder how he managed to betray the order and will want out in the same way.
Kylo Ren threatened General Hux with the idea of using clones again. It seemed like Hux prided himself in raising individuals with his ideals rather than just clone them.
SparkleMotion
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I honestly expected a reference to him being Porkins' son at some point.
Is anyone questioning why Stormtroopers wear a mask? I don't see why him wearing a mask is any different.
That's what I think the movie's title is alluding to. That there will be more Force users coming into being over the course of the trilogy and that the power of these users will be a step above those that came before.
TheChewyWaffles
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So pretty off-topic, but what's the best way to see ROTJ without the horrible "Noooooooooo" in the throne room from Vader? The power of that scene was always in Vader's silence, and Lucas went and screwed that up. I mean do I have to go back to the DVD special editions to see that scene without that additional voiceover?
endlessflood
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How old do we think Ben Solo was when he turned rogue, and how big could they stretch the age gap between Ben and Rey in a pinch?
I'm wondering if Rey could be Ben's younger sister, with Leia pregnant with her unbeknownst to Han when Han took off. Would explain why Han was kind of indifferent to Rey, but there was such a strong connection between Leia and Rey shown in the movie.
With Kylo Ren on the warpath it would make sense that Leia might try to hide a child, putting her on Jakku with Max Van Sydow watching over her from a distance. Maybe? Or perhaps she entrusted Rey to Luke and he took those steps.
I'm wondering if Rey could be Ben's younger sister, with Leia pregnant with her unbeknownst to Han when Han took off. Would explain why Han was kind of indifferent to Rey, but there was such a strong connection between Leia and Rey shown in the movie.
With Kylo Ren on the warpath it would make sense that Leia might try to hide a child, putting her on Jakku with Max Van Sydow watching over her from a distance. Maybe? Or perhaps she entrusted Rey to Luke and he took those steps.
I'll never not laugh at the notion that that character's name is actually Porkins.
Kylo does seem much stronger than Vader, but it could just be that Vader was more restrained. Or maybe Vader, being mostly machine, really was just that much weaker.
I can picture Kylo taking multiple blasters shots right in the dome and not even flinching with how heavy his helmet is.
YesNOnoNOYes
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In the OT tho, the lightsabers are supposed to be heavy feeling
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