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[Zemm]

DS4 is not a good controller, I don't understand why Sony can't get this part right. It's always a slightly worse experience playing with it.

The Xbox one and Switch Pro are about equal for me but both are great and a large amount better than the DS4.

 

[Les]

Still prefer my Xbox Elite Controller. Major downside of the pro is definitely the triggers, don't sink deep enough for my liking.

 

[BlakeofT]

Yeah well the Switch Pro's Start/Select and system buttons are level with the face as well in any case, so neither is exactly any better by that metric.

That's a shame. I don't have a pro controller so I didn't know this. I'm hoping that it's at least as easy to press as DS4's options. While I dislike that button, it's still leagues better than Vita's start and select. DS4 options and Switch pro start, etc are at least large.

 

[DavidDesu]

Triggers and no headphone jack ruin it for me

Yeah if it had these features, especially the headphone jack, I'd have bought already. Since the only headphones solution so far is to connect my headphones to the Switch, or through my TV (since Switch volume is so low), I'd have preferred this solution.

I love my racing games so no analog immediately discounts me buying any real racing games for the Switch, which would have been nice for portable racaing games, but then I don't expect to see a Project Cars or whatever ever gracing the Switch, but no analog will still impact other potential future games and Gamecube VC games! Why Nintendo why?! The Joycons even jut out from the system and look like they should be and could be analog... dumb move.

 

[AzerPhire]

Yeah if it had these features, especially the headphone jack, I'd have bought already. Since the only headphones solution so far is to connect my headphones to the Switch, or through my TV (since Switch volume is so low), I'd have preferred this solution.

I love my racing games so no analog immediately discounts me buying any real racing games for the Switch, which would have been nice for portable racaing games, but then I don't expect to see a Project Cars or whatever ever gracing the Switch, but no analog will still impact other potential future games and Gamecube VC games! Why Nintendo why?! The Joycons even jut out from the system and look like they should be and could be analog... dumb move.

Exactly, its a nice controller but the XB1 is still the king. They came close with the Pro but those 2 things automatically take it out of the running.

 

[The Dude]

I never used headphones once, never knew that was such a thing for people.. I have a room dedicated to gaming with a huge 7.1 SS Denon setup, I can't remember the last time i ever even put a pair of headphones on

 

[buttdiver]

I never used headphones once, never knew that was such a thing for people.. I have a room dedicated to gaming with a huge 7.1 SS Denon setup, I can't remember the last time i ever even put a pair of headphones on

You never knew most people don't have large, expensive sounds setups?

 

[Gitaroo]

Switch pro controller feels like bad xbox one controller, grips are not as good, buttons are flat and triggers sucks big time.

 

[oti]

I never used headphones once, never knew that was such a thing for people..

Yeah, me neither. It's a nice feature to have I supp..

I have a room dedicated to gaming with a huge 7.1 SS Denon setup, I can't remember the last time i ever even put a pair of headphones on

... how... relatable...

 

[The Dude]

You never knew most people don't have large, expensive sounds setups?

Even when I didn't I just never used headphones is all I'm saying.

 

[Leona Lewis]

I never used headphones once, never knew that was such a thing for people.. I have a room dedicated to gaming with a huge 7.1 SS Denon setup, I can't remember the last time i ever even put a pair of headphones on

lol

I think that tabletop mode makes it a necessity since Nintendo thought adding Bluetooth but not adding support for Bluetooth headsets makes perfect sense.

So, of course, they don't add a headphone jack into the Pro controller because that would make sense too.

Big oversight. Great controller otherwise other than the unnecessary space between the shoulder buttons and shoulder triggers.

 

[molnizzle]

I never used headphones once, never knew that was such a thing for people.. I have a room dedicated to gaming with a huge 7.1 SS Denon setup, I can't remember the last time i ever even put a pair of headphones on

I use headphones sometimes but they're fancy wireless headphones that plug into the optical out of my TV so every device works with them.

I think that tabletop mode makes it a necessity since Nintendo thought adding Bluetooth but not adding support for Bluetooth headsets makes perfect sense.

Try reading reports of people who use Bluetooth headsets + a Bluetooth gamepad with the Shield tablet. It ain't pretty. Since both joy-cons connect via Bluetooth even when connected to the tablet the interference is likely too high. I wouldn't expect Bluetooth headset support ever, frankly.

 

[The Dude]

lol

I think that tabletop mode makes it a necessity since Nintendo thought adding Bluetooth but not adding support for Bluetooth headsets makes perfect sense.

So, of course, they don't add a headphone jack into the Pro controller because that would make sense too.

Big oversight. Great controller otherwise other than the unnecessary space between the shoulder buttons and shoulder triggers.

It's just conversation, I'm simply saying I didn't realize how many put stock into headphones. I personally never used them ever.. Just conversation bro.

I figured with most people buying larger tvs for their setups that most will buy some form of sound setups as well, just a casual thought.

 

[dezzy8]

Xb1 elite controller is the best.

 

[molnizzle]

It's just conversation, I'm simply saying I didn't realize how many put stock into headphones. I personally never used them ever.. Just conversation bro.

I figured with most people buying larger tvs for their setups that most will buy some form of sound setups as well, just a casual thought.

Not everyone lives alone. Sometimes I gotta put the headset on if it's late and my wife is trying to sleep. Some people have kids who take naps. etc.

 

[Haunted]

Don't really care for a jack on the controller, but bluetooth headphone support would've been nice to have for a portable.

That said, I'll have to wait until the pro controller isn't so obscenely expensive before there's any chance of me picking one up to try it.

 

[The Dude]

Not everyone lives alone. Sometimes I gotta put the headset on if it's late and my wife is trying to sleep. Some people have kids who take naps. etc.

Again I'm not trying to dissect everyone's life, I'm saying I just never put much thought to those who need headphones that much.

I speak from my own personal setup is all, I can't crank it when my wife is sleeping though either but Its all in a game room so I can typically have volume at a minimal level to where it's still enjoyable.

Again that's fine if people use headphones, Im not condemning them or anything.

 

[Leona Lewis]

I can't crank it when my wife is sleeping though.

teehee

 

[Elfotografoalocado]

It sort of reminds me a bit of the mechanical keyboard situation.. I been Pc gaming since mod 80s, built machines since the 90s, been in basically all the MMOs that came our way and have always been In the upper echelon of characters for the most part, Pc gaming is my main platform... Ill spend 700 to 1000 on gpus, but I still have really no interest in mechanical keyboard or the need to move Keys around etc... I've done everything on Pc with basic keyboards. It's sort of like the elite controller, all those fancy options I don't see myself using. The xbox one S controller I've used on Pc just fine and it works, there's nothing more I could need from a controller at this point.. It's all about comfort In my hand when using it.

So you have to expensive peripherals that just don't feel worth it to me when I look at what I can do. It's not like Im gaming and I'm hindered.

Now its not to say I won't eventually try to find even a used one around 80 or 90 just to see what the hoopla is, but there's nothing that is drawing me to it.. It as I said reminds me of the way people go on about mechanical keyboards, I personally just don't feel that must own feel.

You can find awesome mechanical keyboards for 80 new and less if second hand, for typing they are the absolute best, but cherry seitches are the same at 8 and at 200 bucks, and the expensive ones are ridden by useless fluff. (Lights, weird macro keys, etc)
About headphones, there are plenty of situations where you can't have speakers. (Non soundproof apartments, dorms, a bus, if you travel a lot for whatever reason...)
On the topic, to the people complaining about symmetric or asymmetric ir whatever... Do you really notice after 5 minutes? I don't tbh, all controllers are fine by me, though so far my favs are Xbox One and for some reason Wii Classic Pro.

 

[WaterAstro]

Asymmetric never wins. Garbage design idea.

 

[NimbusD]

Eh I have problems with it. The face buttons feel like they're too far to the right (so much face space and if I'm pressing r and a at the same time, my thumb is like clenched against the side of my hand). Weak rumble (should really have 2 motors to mimic two joycons in a grip). home and share button placement and feel are way too similar to + and - buttons. The joysticks feel comically large, though maybe thats just cuz Im switching back and forth between the joycons and this. Pressing right on the dpad in zelda keeps registering as up instead. No analog triggers feels really weird if nothing else.

I mean I still like it, just not in love with it like some people are.

Also, more of a switch thing, but you cant wake the switch while in docked mode with the controller, that's really annoying especially coming from wii u where I was able to controlle verything from one controller (the hdmi instant turn on is nice tho, at least I only have to press one button when I get up I guess).

 

[The Dude]

You can find awesome mechanical keyboards for 80 new and less if second hand, for typing they are the absolute best, but cherry seitches are the same at 8 and at 200 bucks, and the expensive ones are ridden by useless fluff. (Lights, weird macro keys, etc)
About headphones, there are plenty of situations where you can't have speakers. (Non soundproof apartments, dorms, a bus, if you travel a lot for whatever reason...)

Yea, like I said never put much thought to it really.

And I will eventually try one, just wish I had a more compelling reason to snag one. When in on my Pc I simply never feel I was hindered by the boards I bought

 

[Elfotografoalocado]

Yea, like I said never put much thought to it really.

And I will eventually try one, just wish I had a more compelling reason to snag one. When in on my Pc I simply never feel I was hindered by the boards I bought

What kind of keyboards have you used?

 

[FearlessBelgian]

Sorry but Xbox One controller > Duashock 4 > Switch pro controller.

 

[MANGOD]

Well for the price Id bloody well expect it to

 

[The Dude]

What kind of keyboards have you used?

Nothing special, just various Logitech boards over the years.

 

[Z..]

xbox one elite controller > all controllers

Xbox controllers are great. But DS4 and WiiU/Switch Pro controllers are just as good with actually decent dpads.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

I think my biggest problem bar the lack of analog triggers is, it feels too thin. It should be wider.

Xbox controllers are great. But DS4 and WiiU/Switch Pro controllers are just as good with actually decent dpads.

What's horribly wring with the Xbox One Bluetooth controllers d pad?

 

[CrimsonGun]

A good gaming headset with a quality amp is better than any sound system imo.

 

[The Dude]

A good gaming headset with a quality amp is better than any sound system imo.

Couldn't careless tbh, I like sound systems.

 

[nekkid]

Fixed that for you.

It's on life support. Time to pull the plug.

 

[Huge Succeeded]

Xbox controllers are great. But DS4 and WiiU/Switch Pro controllers are just as good with actually decent dpads.

None of those controllers you mentioned are just as good as the Elite controller, though.

I don't think I'd ever put the DS4 on the same level as some of these other controllers. Not XBO, not Switch Pro. Maybe Wii U Pro, but even that's a tough choice that I'd only give to the DS4 thanks to its flawless Steam integration. The build quality is noticeably worse, and all of the focus designing the Dual Shocks seem to go into function, and recently aesthetics, because ergonomics certainly ain't a major concern

 

[BlastProcessing]

A good gaming headset with a quality amp is better than any sound system imo.

That's true, but in this thread we are talking about using a 10¢ DAC in a controller. Running that into a nice amp and headset seems misguided.

 

[Huge Succeeded]

A good gaming headset with a quality amp is better than any sound system imo.

not gaming headsets no

 

[The Dude]

No headset is gonna shake the room like my Denon when I'm able to just go guns a blazing, I'll take that all day every day. But that's another topic.

In any case Yea for those who need a jack that's a shame the pro didn't include one.

 

[Crayon]

What do people hate about dual shocks anyhow? The dpads are good. The buttons are good. The sticks are good. Is it the small size?

 

[Dr_LucienSanchez]

What do people hate about dual shocks anyhow? The dpads are good. The buttons are good. The sticks are good. Is it the small size?

I dunno. The DS4 is a pretty dope controller, aside from the quality control issues that some people had.

 

[FSLink]

What do people hate about dual shocks anyhow? The dpads are good. The buttons are good. The sticks are good. Is it the small size?

DS4 has shitty battery life, and honestly the touchpad isn't really used much to great effect. Doesn't seem worth the trade-off. Headphone port is nice but isn't really good quality, getting an additional amp attached to it is kinda wonky.

Those are pretty minor though, I like the DS4. But it is kinda disappointing when the DS3 was basically perfect.

 

[yyr]

What do people hate about dual shocks anyhow? The dpads are good. The buttons are good. The sticks are good. Is it the small size?

The reasons I've always liked the Xbox design more than Dual Shock:

1) The placement of the left stick is closer to LB/LT than on Sony's offerings. When I'm using both the left stick and L1/L2 on a DualShock for an extended period of time, my hand will start to get tired.
2) Xbox's thumbsticks offer more resistance than the DualShock sticks, which I prefer. I also prefer the concave surfaces rather than Sony's convex, as I can just sink my thumb in there and go nuts. I feel like I have better control.

These reasons are subjective, of course. I prefer things this way but not everyone does.

Also, let's get one thing straight, the Sony pre-DS4 D-pads were NOT good, at least not the way that I use D-pads during action games. My poor thumb did not like being dug into by those sharp angles all the time as I slid it from one direction to another. Not that the 360 D-pad was any good either; that had about the same level of precision as a sledgehammer. Both the DS4 and XB1 controllers are massive improvements in that department.

I was mostly a fan of the Wii U Pro controller, so I'm really looking forward to using the Switch Pro controller. But granted, the Wii U Pro controller was mostly just a narrower GamePad with no screen and no gyro, if you think about it. Everything else was virtually the same, right down to the bizarre placement of the right stick.

 

[The Dear Leader]

I wish Microsoft would revise the Elite controller with the improvements in the Xbox One S controller. I would totally buy one if it was slightly cheaper also. For now though the Pro and Xbox One S controller are the best me.

 

[Zakalwe]

Digital triggers are also better for every genre but racing, so I tend to prefer them as well.

This is a big fat lie.

 

[Triforce141]

I love the slight rubber feel on the handles, more controllers should have that

I wish Microsoft would revise the Elite controller with the improvements in the Xbox One S controller. I would totally buy one if it was slightly cheaper also. For now though the Pro and Xbox One S controller are the best me.

Maybe for the Scorpio

 

[Huge Succeeded]

This is a big fat lie.

how do you figure?

 

[borghe]

except the AB and XY buttons are reversed.

Son..... we need to have a talk

A good gaming headset with a quality amp is better than any sound system imo.

No. A good surround setup is way more expansive and open sounding than even the best headsets. And to get surround on a headset in the first place you need to be downmixed to Dolby or DTS further compressing the audio. The only thing I'll grant you is its relatively cheaper to get a REALLY pro-quality sounding headset than it is to get pro-quality surround.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

that's true. you must have held every controller before you can formulate an opinion. don't even *think* about telling me what you like without spending a hundred hours with the jaguar controller

I've used that one too. Also the 3DO one.

 

[FallingSputnik]

Maybe that's why I'm having trouble with the controls in handheld-mode. The pro controller is too good that the joy-cons feel like shit compared to them.

I mean they felt like shit regardless, the pro controller is just the way to go for sure.

 

[Xe4]

xbox one elite controller > all controllers

Yeah, there's really no better controller out there. I don't even own an X1 and I love it, lol.

 

[DAREALGUMMY]

Yeah, it's garbage.

Definitely.

I used the Wii U pro for a little bit and liked it. Gotta wait a bit before picking up the Switch Pro but I'm looking forward to it.

 

[killroy87]

xbox one elite controller > all controllers

First post gets it.

I own the Switch Pro. It's alright, but feels a bit cheap for it's $90 (CAD) price tag.

That said, playing Zelda with it is like night and day.

 

[Pops Maellard]

It sort of reminds me a bit of the mechanical keyboard situation.. I been Pc gaming since mod 80s, built machines since the 90s, been in basically all the MMOs that came our way and have always been In the upper echelon of characters for the most part, Pc gaming is my main platform... Ill spend 700 to 1000 on gpus, but I still have really no interest in mechanical keyboard or the need to move Keys around etc... I've done everything on Pc with basic keyboards. It's sort of like the elite controller, all those fancy options I don't see myself using. The xbox one S controller I've used on Pc just fine and it works, there's nothing more I could need from a controller at this point.. It's all about comfort In my hand when using it.

So you have to expensive peripherals that just don't feel worth it to me when I look at what I can do. It's not like Im gaming and I'm hindered.

Now its not to say I won't eventually try to find even a used one around 80 or 90 just to see what the hoopla is, but there's nothing that is drawing me to it.. It as I said reminds me of the way people go on about mechanical keyboards, I personally just don't feel that must own feel.

You really owe it to yourself to invest in a reasonably priced mechanical keyboard. Like, going from the joycons to a Pro Controller or Xbox One controller to the Elite Controller is not even close to the jump from any non-mech desktop keyboard to a mechanical keyboard.

What do people hate about dual shocks anyhow? The dpads are good. The buttons are good. The sticks are good. Is it the small size?

The d-pad is average at best (Xbox One controller, Vita, 3DS, and both Nintendo Pro controllers have better), the buttons are fine but not stellar, the build quality is absolute shit, the lightbar is dumb, the trackpad is pointless, it doesn't have replaceable batteries, and it's not as ergonomic as the Xbox One controller or either Pro controller. More comfortable than a DS3 for sure, but that's not saying much.