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The Problem With The Steam Machine: Its Current Gen
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Hector Hall
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Most gaming PCs are, after Valves own data.
Hero_Select
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Yes?
rodrigolfp
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YeulEmeralda
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Pick what? If you want a "next-gen" PC get a 5090 and a X3D AMD CPU. It's leaps and bounds better than what a PS5 Pro and XSX can do and it'll still outperform whatever PS6 and Helix turn out to be.
Next Gen only really works as a term for consoles. Only thing holding you back is how much money you want to spend on parts
rodrigolfp
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So "next gen proof" PC. Now it makes sense.
Banjo64
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PS5 is still undisputedly stupid value for money compared to this thing even when you factor in the £59.99 online fees. PS5 with 5 years of online play would still work out cheaper than a Steam Machine with less cost up front. You'll also lose less percentage wise when you come to sell a PS5 in 5 years compared to a Steam Machine.
TikiLagoonSam
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Exactly. So whats the point of the Steam Machine if you can also play your pc in the living room?
Convinience? Like a PS5?
why are you comparing Steam to a $3k pc if playing in the living room is the main point like a PS5 thats cheaper and better? Because it will play 20 year old pc games a $300 pc can play?
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TikiLagoonSam
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In a different timeline yes. Not in this timeline.Whats even funnier, 1,5years from now steam mashine will be last gen
Current gen will be current gen for at least 3 more years. In fact, so few will adopt next gen, it will just be called next gen for years and years after that.
Hero_Select
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I'm not comparing anything. I'm just saying of course Steam Machine is current gen otherwise it would be absurdly expensive if it were "next-gen"
Steam Machine isn't a good deal as it stands. It's too expensive for the performance that you get. There's some neat things about it for sure but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
PeteBull
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And yet somehow switch2 didnt suffer selling at 50% higher price than og switch(300 vs 449$)but made record numbers, and on top getting price increase to 499$ in september
Maybe, just maybe value of the dollar is extremly low right now
599$ ps3 from 2006 would cost 986$ today, and likely over 1k$ by holidays 2027
TikiLagoonSam
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$449 is still a sensible price to pay for a videogame system.And yet somehow switch2 didnt suffer selling at 50% higher price than og switch(300 vs 449$)but made record numbers, and on top getting price increase to 499$ in september
Maybe, just maybe value of the dollar is extremly low right now
599$ ps3 from 2006 would cost 986$ today, and likely over 1k$ by holidays 2027
The $599 ps3 was cutting edge tech at the time with game exclusives. Lots of reasons to justify actually buying it.
Also adjusting value of money from years ago to today is a really dumb thing to do (not calling you dumb just the practice of doing that) because the rise of peoples income is waaaaay below the rate of inflation. So if i had $599 before to buy a console like the ps3, doesnt mean i have $986 today to buy a console because most peoples pay hasnt increased like that.
PeteBull
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U think most ppl pay didnt at least got 100% total increase in 20 years they worked?
Hell lets just check data from the US, google ai will help here:
But hey, lets be more precise, avg could mean those bilionares scew data big time, lets go with median for true accuracy ur avg(aka poor) person in the US makes
As every1 can see, value of the dollar is simply that low now, cant be helped, we(well, americans) get paid more but everything costs more
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midnightAI
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Luxury (Monty Python reference), we in the UK get paid less and everything costs moreAs every1 can see, value of the dollar is simply that low now, cant be helped, we(well, americans) get paid more but everything costs more
(I'm not playing down what's happening price wise in the US by the way, you pay way more for some things, even basic things like bread and milk)
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PeteBull
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Yup, few months ago i thought sony gonna need to actually step on gas pedal next gen and start trying but looks like xbox once again put out his sorry butt for spanking, gabecube obviously very limited run collectors only product, lets see how 2027 nvidia and amd new gpu families looking performance and price wise, kinda our last bastion of hope
TikiLagoonSam
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U think most ppl pay didnt at least got 100% total increase in 20 years they worked?
Hell lets just check data from the US, google ai will help here:
But hey, lets be more precise, avg could mean those bilionares scew data big time, lets go with median for true accuracy ur avg(aka poor) person in the US makes
As every1 can see, value of the dollar is simply that low now, cant be helped, we(well, americans) get paid more but everything costs more
Alright you want to be precise, lets be precise. Lets look at minimum wage since a majority of the population that are gamers, especially gamers that sustain and grow the industry are minimum wage and minimum wage adjacent players Not a median worker from a national average.
PeteBull
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Absolutely diseagree, holidays 2027 and onwards tons of gamers will be ones who started gaming in the 80s, 90s and 2000s, aka 30, 40 and even 50yos, we have plenty disposable income and definitely can qualify for median wage workersAlright you want to be precise, lets be precise. Lets look at minimum wage since a majority of the population that are gamers, especially gamers that sustain and grow the industry are minimum wage and minimum wage adjacent players Not a median worker from a national average.
The minimum wage workers are usually casuals who dont buy AAA games anyways, maybe except cod/fifa/nba, and they just spend time on f2p fortnite or other gaas shit, those can perfectly stay on base ps5 or godforbid, series s
I dont like to quote professional liar matt piscatella but lets check that statement of his:
Thats data for end of 2025, how will it look end of 2027 and beyond? Obviously those numbers will go up and not by tiny margin
TikiLagoonSam
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Absolutely diseagree, holidays 2027 and onwards tons of gamers will be ones who started gaming in the 80s, 90s and 2000s, aka 30, 40 and even 50yos, we have plenty disposable income and definitely can qualify for median wage workers
The minimum wage workers are usually casuals who dont buy AAA games anyways, maybe except cod/fifa/nba, and they just spend time on f2p fortnite or other gaas shit, those can perfectly stay on base ps5 or godforbid, series s
I dont like to quote professional liar matt piscatella but lets check that statement of his:
Thats data for end of 2025, how will it look end of 2027 and beyond? Obviously those numbers will go up and not by tiny margin
Exactly. So why do you think the higher household income family is becoming the majority of buyers of games as time goes on? Because its too expensive. The lower income family cannot afford gaming anymore.
Now put aside the statistics AI and google have shown you and go with your own experience of people you know and common sense. Gaming is more expensive and harder to get into then it has ever been ESPECIALLY with this new Steam Machine.
PeteBull
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Steam mashine is a joke, even og one from 2015 was and no1 cared about it, same fate will happen to current one, by no means whole gaming industry depends on it.
Its literally like a fart in the wind, once u see terrible launch numbers every1 will just laugh at it and move on.
What im saying even if gabe decided on 5k$ pricepoint for cheapest unit it would still sell almost similary, aka terribly
Edit: Just to prove how right i am check steamsurvey by the end of the year, steam mashine gpu wont even sit at 1% of steam users gpus, and for reference rtx 5080 sits at 1,47% in may survey
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PeteBull
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U see gaffers claiming they bought/gonna buy it, and its fine, if they are rich mofos(and plenty of those on gaf) they can even order 10 for collectors value, just its weird when some1 tries to defend it in comparision vs mainstream mashines, be it entry lvl/midrange pc or ps5/pr0
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YeulEmeralda
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I don't really want "next gen" anymore and I'm not sure the industry will keep having new gens as it used to, at least not in recognizable form.
All I hear when we discuss an even higher spec box is that the dev costs will continue to skyrocket, so you'll only get the kind of AAA+ games you currently get from massive Western corporations... which are universally trash, we'd be better off if they ceased to exist.
No exaggeration to say I'd be happy if Switch2/SteamBox power is what we had for the next 10 years. Only AI can save us from the dev cost problem, things like DLSS5, and I'd rather all investment go that direction instead of the current paradigm.
All I hear when we discuss an even higher spec box is that the dev costs will continue to skyrocket, so you'll only get the kind of AAA+ games you currently get from massive Western corporations... which are universally trash, we'd be better off if they ceased to exist.
No exaggeration to say I'd be happy if Switch2/SteamBox power is what we had for the next 10 years. Only AI can save us from the dev cost problem, things like DLSS5, and I'd rather all investment go that direction instead of the current paradigm.
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simpatico
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Unlucky planning sure, but how can it be a scam when Valve is making $60 per box?
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