d00d3n
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It is difficult to get exact statistics here, but I think that a pretty large proportion of those who read internet news in Sweden go to either flashback or one of the populist sites as well.
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Three men arrested in Sweden after live broadcasting gang rape on Facebook
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It is difficult to get exact statistics here, but I think that a pretty large proportion of those who read internet news in Sweden go to either flashback or one of the populist sites as well.
The US has fairly draconian punishments compared to much of the Nordic region. I think even the mass shooter in Norway got like...28 years or something?
I think you mean why the fuck would you rape anyone? Sick, disgusting individuals
LegendofDragoonLives
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Would be nice if they were sent to jail and then after serving their sentences deported to where they came from (this is from an immigrant living in CA btw). Fucking pieces of shit. I hope the girl will be allright long term. 
Proelite
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Where is the deterrent? I agree with rehabilitation, but what's going to be the deterrent?
Sunster
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I think Nordic prisons are more about correcting then reintroducing into society. US prison is about punishment. Not agreeing or disagreeing, just saying.
I guess this gets into the question of whether you can rehabilitate many or most rapists or murderers. Recidivism rates among these populations are generally quite high, so whatever they're doing in prison for long or short stints, it's clearly not that effective.
Not strictly true
He got 21 years.
Just to preface, 21 years is the highest that you can get in Norway. However, since they have a clause that says that the sentence can be extended for five years indefinitely if the subject still is regarded as danger to society, in essence, he's never getting out.
Probably not. The sites just aren't that popular. True, Flashback does clock in as the 49th most popular site in Sweden but it's not just a hub for racists, it's a hub for, well, everything, basically. The most popular "alternative" news site is Fria Tider which clocks in at 142nd. That's way behind the larger newspapers that are all in the top 50, and well behind even regional ones like GP and Sydsvenskan.
For all the hubbubb about it, Avpixlat is actually ranked as low as 213th (which ironically puts it right between the New York Times and Vice, which apparently aren't that popular in Sweden). Other sites at that level include stuff like the Swedish DMV, Systembolaget (which I really expected to see higher up, to be fair) and second tier store sites like Alibaba.
http://www.alexa.com/topsites/countries;0/SE
Prison isn't nearly as much of a deterrent as people typically think and what deterrent it is isn't linearly aligned with the length of the sentence.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2016/03/criminal-justice
https://www.nij.gov/five-things/Pages/deterrence.aspx
Criminals simply don't plan on being caught in the first place, so the length of the sentence isn't something they give much (or any) thought to.
Would it surprise you to learn that this might not even be remotely true? Here's a study that found near-term recidivism rates for sex offenders to be 7 %, with multiple offenders at 12 %. Granted, roughly 25 % in the study already were repeat offenders, but it does still suggest that the majority wasn't and that there is room for rehabilitation here.
https://ec.europa.eu/justice/grants/results/daphne-toolkit/en/file/1033/download?token=CgbIL4yD
actually its not, i depends on their country of origin
d00d3n
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You make some good points there, and I sure hope that you are right, but the pessimist in me suspects that with those mentioned sites, facebook (a huge new platform for far right populism), maybe twitter as well, and good old "locker room talk" in work places and social circles, the identities of perpetrators spreads pretty fast these days.
Oh, I have no doubt that far right populism is rampant in Sweden today. SD is tracking support from around 20 % of the population and I expect another 20 % are opposed to immigration to some degree on top of that, many of which probably have all kinds of dark thoughts about criminal immigrants. The kind of discussions going on around Facebook or, for that matter, dinner tables and water coolers, easily dwarf fringe sites like Fria Tider and Avpixlat both in size and importance.
It's just that for the time being at least, actual news media is (thankfully) still dominating the conversation, so I don't think there's any pressing need to give way to policies that will just reinforce a lot of the anti-immigrant sentiments for no good reason.
Fudgepuppy
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Violent crime is down, it's only because these idiots are streaming it that you hear about it more often (figuratively speaking, media is essentially to blame).
Some of the worst psychopaths and murderers lived during the 1800s.
Demoskinos
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I'm sure Facebook deleted said content or at least deleted it from public feeds so they could hand the footage over to the police.
CadetMahoney
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I wouldn't be surprised if they get out with parole doing only half the sentence.
Revolting.
The worst thing is that said video was no doubt captured by some sick fuck and will be traded online with others.
I've long been a proponent that any such footage of rape, murder or torture that isn't prima facie newsworthy should be criminalised as we do with child abuse imagery. The same arguments regarding re-victimisation of the victim or their families apply, imo.
All these disgusting gore sites... I'd outlaw the lot of them tomorrow.
The worst thing is that said video was no doubt captured by some sick fuck and will be traded online with others.
I've long been a proponent that any such footage of rape, murder or torture that isn't prima facie newsworthy should be criminalised as we do with child abuse imagery. The same arguments regarding re-victimisation of the victim or their families apply, imo.
All these disgusting gore sites... I'd outlaw the lot of them tomorrow.
His Majesty
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Sadly that goes for most crimes.
Here in Belgium a guy who shot at police officers with a kalashnikov was released on parole after 4 years of his original 10 year sentence.
Langdon Alger
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That's an absurdly short sentence. But I guess I should have expected a really liberal country like Sweden to give criminals nothing more than a slap on the wrist.
You would throw up if I told you some of the sentences rapists in finland have gotten... I personally know some cases where the rapist walked free because he had no previous offences. It's seriously decreased my faith in this country and of course humanity in general.
Maybe, maybe not. I went looking for sources and found some pretty drastic differences in quoted rates, from 20% to 50%, and different rates depending on how broad definitions were (recidivism rates of all kinds for sex offenders versus sex offense-specific recidivism.)
Interestingly, I did come across this bit looking specifically for Sweden, sadly I don't have access to the full paper: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/09585189408410905
Imp the Dimp
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Which is most likely gonna be less safe or as safe at best because Sweden is among the safest countries in the world. But I'm sure you knew that?
Lovely Salsa
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Prison sentences is absolute BS in sweden. We need harsher penalties and not just for rape
chillybright
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This is nuts... 2 to 6 years?
And these guys are immigrants? This doesn't look good...
Also it is ridiculous that deporting these human scums is illegal.
Subpar Scrub
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From Sweden? Lmao, good luck finding somewhere better I guess.
nelsonroyale
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Utterly disgusting. They should be made to atone.
Rentahamster
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It depends.
TheWasTheJoke
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Look I'm not sure if these Guys are Migrants but either way, if you're offered asylum and commit an indiscretion you should be kicked out quick-snap. There's a billion needy people in the world so there's no reason you should be above them just cos you got to Europe first
Migrant != Asylum seeker/refugee
Spaced Harrier
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Whe. I read that in the Guardian and it didn't mention where they were from putting 2 and 2 togethe was easy.
Litteraly making it worse by obsfusicating it.
Litteraly making it worse by obsfusicating it.
Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Canada, New Zealand, Switzerland. Six countries better than Sweden in pretty much every way (aside from internet speeds, I guess). That wasn't so hard.
MistakenMobius
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Yeah I feels it's becoming like "jeunes" in French news.
Or when first name has been changed.
People will directly move to the "padamalgam" and "chances pour la France " rethorique
What in the actual.... Jesus Christ
ClosingADoor
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Lock em up for life. I don't give a shit about rehabilitating scum like this. They ruined someones life forever, they don't deserve a second chance.
Hope the victim can recover and move on with her life, and that any footage is only archived by police for the trial so it is not spread online.
Hope the victim can recover and move on with her life, and that any footage is only archived by police for the trial so it is not spread online.
Welcome to the European justice system. And people wonder why parts of the population are losing their faith in it. Victims are forgotten and the perpetrators always scream about their rights.
lvl99 Pixel
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I sincerely wish they are isolated away from the rest of society until they are rehabilitated and can function like civilized human beings
Most sentence for sexual crimes in most country is very disgustingly low
Here in Indonesia became hot topic about when child sexual crimes is so high currently but the sentence only around 5 to ten year.
Pancake Mix
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Uhhhh.....
The European Union's policy on the illegal immigration of huge amounts of unattached, undocumented young men is really scary and why Euroscepticism is justly at an all-time high. That is not acceptable.
You can't reject admitting people, nor can you deport rapists. Any real sovereign country can. It's embarrassing.
xrnzaaas
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You have a good dark sense of humour.
ZombiePlatypus
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Setting aside how repulsive this all is, wtf was the reasoning behind broadcasting via facebook live? Did they honestly think they won't face legal repercussions?
Setting aside how repulsive this all is, wtf was the reasoning behind broadcasting via facebook live? Did they honestly think they won't face legal repercussions?
We got gigabit fibre in NZ, it's all good man.
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