There not list of countries to apply for DACA. That is enterely wrong. I'm from Venezuela and I just renewed.
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Trump's debt limit deal with Dems likely to lead to DACA becoming law at end of year
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There not list of countries to apply for DACA. That is enterely wrong. I'm from Venezuela and I just renewed.
Brock Reiher
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Only problem is that would work for about a week before he suddenly starts catering to someone else again. Maybe if they said nice things to him every day?
Dead Prince
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The man is easily swayed. That and he probably have the attention
Fenderputty
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This post is almost as salty as the republican tweets
Sure, but in the meantime I'll take the Trump that pushes the Dem agenda and stalls the GOP one.
Aaron Strife
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Imagining the salt in 2021 when President Kamala Harris signs Medicare for All into law with Bernie at the signing ceremony, from both the right and the far left purity trolls, is what propels me.
superdeluxe
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To hand the R's a L.
As soon as Trump won the Republican nomination and was not decimated in the General election, he basically redefined the Republican Party in his image. The Republican Party or at least, its base, is a racist, xenophobic faux-populist party now.
timetokill
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Trump takes all sides on all topics precisely for this reason, so you think that some part of him is on your side.
Where Obama was a "blank slate" candidate where people projected their own hopes and ideals, Trump is a completely full slate where every possible thing has been said, so at some point he has said something you agree with on any topic.
start?
QisTopTier
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Is there any chance Trump actually ment what he said back in what was it 2014 or 12? About the program being important and he did what he did to force it into a more solid state?
I highly fucking doubt it but if he did then good on him for one fucking thing
Democrats won't vote for that.
Aaron Strife
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Yup, like some progressives on here arguing that he secretly supports single-payer because he talked about it once in an interview from like twenty years ago. He's all over the place, man.
Pretty obvious that he just bends to political reality and acts according to self-interest above all else. If George Bush had humiliated him at a presidential dinner, he would have run as a Democrat.
My point is that nothing will get done. Which is to say we status quo until DACA recipients are getting deported en masse.
Steeped in a Sea of Games
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You know, if Trump wants to actually get something done, courting dems probably works for a least a little bit to push through some legislation. He's got so many republicans by the balls that are afraid to do anything against him, he can probably push them at least a little bit. I'm sure that support would dry up pretty fast though.
In the end, though? Trump going scorched Earth it seems.
In the end, though? Trump going scorched Earth it seems.
Evil Monkey DTT
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I'm convinced trump had less of an understanding of this than he did for the dreamers. Like he was just like "let's get this over with" and took the first offer.
Then the government shuts down right before the midterm elections.
That's not going to happen.
I mean I understand pessimism but there is no universe where Republican leaders allow that to happen.
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MeisaMcCaffrey
Yeah, this is what it is. Talk about a u-turn.
Nope. Democrats should help people without doing something stupid like caving on dumb, xenophobic policy. Comprehensive immigration reform is absolutely necessary, but should not be contingent on building a wall.
Luckily, the Democrats secured much leverage in this deal, which will help bring the aforementioned to fruition.
The Art of the Deal: 'fuck it, take the first offer I'm hungry'
In a normal universe perhaps...
It's a matter of self preservation. They're not going to shut down the government right before an election.
The wall is stupid. But if there is a choice between funding the wall along with passing DACA and shutting the government down and defaulting on the debt, the choice is clear.
Of course, I'm not saying that the Democrats shouldn't try. But if their bluff is called, they have to fold.
Just the same, they would have to have folded if Trump insisted on a longer bill here.
Dubbedinenglish
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Having the debt ceiling looming guarantees something will get done. Dems have better leverage to not take the wall with DACA legislation.
veryslowhand
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I don't understand what all this mean
This was my take. Just disbelief at giving Trump a free pass and blaming Ryan for not keeping a tighter leash.
I did love the heavy compliments to Dems though. Really put into perspective the difference between the two parties when the underdog. Republicans whine, bitch, obstruct, bend the rules, cheat, and make a loud public tantrum(or don't show up to work of it means getting their way). Dems just had a private meeting and walked out successful.
Bitch Pudding
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I dont know, I still feel like they had to offer something in return. Trump ALWAYS wants something in return.
Trump gets to spite Ryan and McConnell
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
It's nice to want things.
This is kind of his MO really. He doesn't want a government shutdown, not having faith his party leadership can deliver may have been enough to throw in with Dems as reasoned. He is also a REAL shitty negotiator. Most of his deals in business were accomplished through legal teams or underlings, so no one should expect he had a plan walking into that meeting beyond doing whatever it takes to ensure a shutdown is avoided. It was probably the only thing on his mind with no strategy or proposal.
The problem with Trump is that the follow through is where he fucks you over. He refuses to pay his debts, he weasels his way out of promises and contracts, he will settle out of court all the time. He has decades of evidence doing this. I don't expect this will pan out very cleanly.
Sure, he can veto it (or tell McConnell and Ryan to not pass it) but then he looks really bad.
Since when has looking bad ever stopped him?
You're assuming that republicans wouldn't just jump off that cliff. Like they have in the past.
Him looking good is perhaps one of the only things that motivates him. Though, admittedly, he often doesn't know what will make him look good. I do think that even he knows that backing out of this will make him look terrible though.
BreezyLimbo
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I bet they worded it in a way Trump understood. Remember, Trump thinks he's a very smart business man, and that the country can be run like a business.
Republicans: "Listen Mr. President, we can do it in 18 months."
Trump: "18 months?"
R: "Ok fine 6 months."
Schumer: "I have a better offer. 3 months."
Now, right here it's critical. They had to word it in a way that tickled Trumps fancy. Like a construction project, Trump is thinking '3 months, huh? That's good business! We won't have to pay alot for just 3 months compared to 6 months!'
Trump: "See McConnell? That's smart business. 3 months is half the time of what you offered me. We're gonna do 3 months, you got it?"
So basically, Trump has no idea what he's talking about, and thought this was some sort of project that has a finish date and chose the 3 months because it's less time.
Or maybe he's basically golfing in his mind all the time anyway, so everything that's lower is better.
They might pass it tomorrow.
Trump hands Democrats what they want, yet you got people calling Ryan and other Republicans RINO's for following the R playbook because Trump backstabbed them?? Next level mental gymnastics here just to take Trump's side. This is why there's little to be gained beyond a headache from trying to talk to Trump supporters too much.
Nope. The wall is exceedingly unpopular. And stupid. DACA, or a Dream Act, is desired by the majority of voters in both parties. Democrats have the leverage, and the Republicans know it. Trump clearly doesn't want to deal with a debt limit crisis, and is increasingly uncomfortable with the DACA situation. He will ask for wall funding, not get it, and most likely relinquish his position because his footing is unsure.
Bitch Pudding
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Yes, he will probably fold. But if it comes down to a choice between funding the wall along with DACA and destroying the world economy, Democrats have to fold. Unless you think that fucking Trump is worth fucking Dreamers and everyone else in the world.
Republicans control both houses of Congress and the White House. A government shutdown and its consequences would fall on their shoulders.
Thanks to this deal Democrats have ALL the leverage here. They shouldn't fold. If there is a shutdown, it won't last long before the Republicans come crawling back to the table with a raft of concessions.