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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 6 Offseason Thread
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Oldest Snake
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True in theory, as in Sansa can't just walk into Winterfell and tell the Boltons to get out, but not really true in principle.
Winterfell isn't a throne or a position of power to be 'won' in any way. Winterfell was built by the founder of House Stark, for the Starks. A Stark isn't going to have to rely on anyone, a Bolton least of all, to convince The North of their legitimacy.
Roose got Winterfell by betraying Robb Stark, violating guest right (or helping violate it if you want to get technical) and making a deal with the hated Lannisters. Nobody in The North is telling a Stark they'll have to prove their claim if they want Winterfell back, the Stark name runs far too deep.
The bloodline would be forever mixed with the murderers of her family. While clearly the marriage didn't make any sense and everyone knows that, this is one way the show could have been dumber. I suppose it's good to sometimes have the reminder that the writing of the show could be worse.
They didn't discuss much. She was just supposed to wait for Stannis to do something.
Steelyuhas
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The pictures don't tell you anything more than "here's where we left off" (other than the return of the Greyjoys and Bran).
Yoda
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I hope George has been sharing some of his drafts w/D&D, if it's just broad strokes (as they've stated) and it's up to HBO's writers to fill in the gaps It'll be Drone levels of excitement for a lot of this season.
Predictions:
Predictions:
KL/Lannister:
- Jamie, Cersei or Tommen will die (not all).
* I don't think it'll be Jamie, GRRM rewards people who correct flaws in their character, Jamie has (slowly) started doing that, Cersei hasn't.
- The Sparrow zealots haven't actually caused any permeant damage to the Lannisters yet, it would be out of character for George to let everyone off the hook, so someone has to take the fall.
- I don't see Lannister's ever gaining full control of King's Landing again. If Cersei survives, she'll be forced to swallow her pride and bargain with the zealots.
Bolton/Winterfell:
- Ramsey will murder/subvert Roose.
- Greyjoys will most likely be involved in this story.
- Balon will die.
- Breinne will be involved in this story until she realizes Sansa is no longer in WF.
- <insert something cool for Euron to do here>; tbh I think D&D will screw this up, I remember being so hyped about the Sand Snakes... yeah.
- Sansa will go looking for her younger brother, she won't find him.
* May get tied back into Bolton storyline
- LF hinted @ the R + L = Jon to Sansa, she may be the plot device to reveal this poorly covered up foreshadowing.
The Wall
- Red woman will resurrect John (duh)
- <insert condition which bars him from re-graining control of the Watch> this will allow the WW to get passed the wall.
- Vows no longer apply because dead/mutiny -> can go do something more interesting than the Watch
* Might become a WW sleeper agent: pacify WW from within.
- Night's Watch gets destroyed by the WWs
- Sam won't become a Maester (takes too long); will learn something about killing White Walkers.
- Someone else's storyline will cross w/Sam's
The damn desert aka Essos :
- Deany will not make it to Westeros this Season or it will be the boats leaving @ the very very end.
- Deany will first be a slave/captive -> Dragons/Khallesi(sp?) will force the Khalasar to respect her -> Dothraki replace unsullied.
- Jorah will regain Deany's respect before he dies (death may not be this season)
- Greyworm dies (he's deadweight anyway); in w/e crap happens in the city while Tyrion is trying to manage it.
- I don't see Varys sticking around, I suspect he'll go back to Westeros before the rest of the gang.
- Sons of the Harpy showdown; whoever is in charge is still at large, and the grunts that got owned in the stadium certainly aren't the entire organization.
- Something consequential that makes this entire continent worth it... It's plot significance has been to build Deany's character... and nothing else. It's clearly treated as a secondary setting in the show, and given the amount of time invested into it I think it'll go down as a mistake to have not had Deany somewhere linked to Westeros. In the book this might turn out to be Aegon, but because the show isn't including him, I'm not sure what they can do to make everything feel "worth it".
Bravos:
- I can't see anything of significance happening IN Bravos, I suspect D&D are trimming most of this plot-line.
- Arya will break from the Faceless to go assassinate someone... not sure who: candidates are: Walder Frey, Jamie Lannister, LittleFinger (I'm guessing if LF does die in the book/show, it'll be @ the hands of Sansa or Arya).
Dorne:
- Out of boredom everyone got high... upon sobering up a black pirate could be seen sailing away with all the kingdom's gold.
- Jamie, Cersei or Tommen will die (not all).
* I don't think it'll be Jamie, GRRM rewards people who correct flaws in their character, Jamie has (slowly) started doing that, Cersei hasn't.
- The Sparrow zealots haven't actually caused any permeant damage to the Lannisters yet, it would be out of character for George to let everyone off the hook, so someone has to take the fall.
- I don't see Lannister's ever gaining full control of King's Landing again. If Cersei survives, she'll be forced to swallow her pride and bargain with the zealots.
Bolton/Winterfell:
- Ramsey will murder/subvert Roose.
- Greyjoys will most likely be involved in this story.
- Balon will die.
- Breinne will be involved in this story until she realizes Sansa is no longer in WF.
- <insert something cool for Euron to do here>; tbh I think D&D will screw this up, I remember being so hyped about the Sand Snakes... yeah.
- Sansa will go looking for her younger brother, she won't find him.
* May get tied back into Bolton storyline
- LF hinted @ the R + L = Jon to Sansa, she may be the plot device to reveal this poorly covered up foreshadowing.
The Wall
- Red woman will resurrect John (duh)
- <insert condition which bars him from re-graining control of the Watch> this will allow the WW to get passed the wall.
- Vows no longer apply because dead/mutiny -> can go do something more interesting than the Watch
* Might become a WW sleeper agent: pacify WW from within.
- Night's Watch gets destroyed by the WWs
- Sam won't become a Maester (takes too long); will learn something about killing White Walkers.
- Someone else's storyline will cross w/Sam's
The damn desert aka Essos :
- Deany will not make it to Westeros this Season or it will be the boats leaving @ the very very end.
- Deany will first be a slave/captive -> Dragons/Khallesi(sp?) will force the Khalasar to respect her -> Dothraki replace unsullied.
- Jorah will regain Deany's respect before he dies (death may not be this season)
- Greyworm dies (he's deadweight anyway); in w/e crap happens in the city while Tyrion is trying to manage it.
- I don't see Varys sticking around, I suspect he'll go back to Westeros before the rest of the gang.
- Sons of the Harpy showdown; whoever is in charge is still at large, and the grunts that got owned in the stadium certainly aren't the entire organization.
- Something consequential that makes this entire continent worth it... It's plot significance has been to build Deany's character... and nothing else. It's clearly treated as a secondary setting in the show, and given the amount of time invested into it I think it'll go down as a mistake to have not had Deany somewhere linked to Westeros. In the book this might turn out to be Aegon, but because the show isn't including him, I'm not sure what they can do to make everything feel "worth it".
Bravos:
- I can't see anything of significance happening IN Bravos, I suspect D&D are trimming most of this plot-line.
- Arya will break from the Faceless to go assassinate someone... not sure who: candidates are: Walder Frey, Jamie Lannister, LittleFinger (I'm guessing if LF does die in the book/show, it'll be @ the hands of Sansa or Arya).
Dorne:
- Out of boredom everyone got high... upon sobering up a black pirate could be seen sailing away with all the kingdom's gold.
bengraven
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I'm not as disappointed as all of you with Season 5.
I just feel like I'm doing the opposite of what I'm actually doing: I feel like I'm reading a book or comic about a movie that I'm really looking forward to seeing. I really am excited about the "movie" but am "reading" the "book" which is very different.
In this metaphor the "movie" is better than the "book" and I'm well aware of that.
OR
Maybe a better metaphor is that I'm watching a spoiler filled Wikipedia summary of the last two books in the series written by a couple of drunk guys who already read the books but can't get their facts straight.
I just feel like I'm doing the opposite of what I'm actually doing: I feel like I'm reading a book or comic about a movie that I'm really looking forward to seeing. I really am excited about the "movie" but am "reading" the "book" which is very different.
In this metaphor the "movie" is better than the "book" and I'm well aware of that.
OR
Maybe a better metaphor is that I'm watching a spoiler filled Wikipedia summary of the last two books in the series written by a couple of drunk guys who already read the books but can't get their facts straight.
bengraven
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True, but other than Stannis (who very well could die himself at the battle still) I didn't really care about many of the deaths. I'm more invested in if those people live or die in books.
Ha! I always say the show feels like a four year old read the books but only remembered the major plot points and never picked up on the nuance of the dialogue or the motivations of those without a POV.
Poor D&D. It's hard to have too much sympathy, though. They screwed up even when they had the books to pull from.
I imagine things are going to play out much differently in the books anyway. The show prioritized twists and shocks. The books built a world with complex characters and baffling magic. Totally different entities.
The show floundered without a villain. The books thrived when everyone became firmly grey. That's all I need to know about the goals of the respective creators.
adamsappel
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I thought Dany meeting the Dothraki at the end of ADWD was triumphant for her. I didn't get that she would be taken prisoner at all. She's got a dragon right there! Maybe I misread it, though.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
the book made a pretty big point about how drogon flies away at sunset (or was it sunrise?) and that was pretty much the exact time of day that the dothraki show up. it seems entirely possible that drogon will bail on her.
I thought they made it pretty clear in Season 2 out in the desert that the Dothraki weren't happy about a woman leading a Khalasar. Heck they even beheaded one of her blood riders for it.
She's found by Khal Jhaqo. Because he declared himself Khal after Drogo died, there's doubt how he'll react to Dany.
I read it as triumphant as well (especially after the pain/dreams she experienced wandering the red waste) but who knows.
bitbydeath
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Cpt.Underpants
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Dusk Soldier
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She can marry any Lord and build a claim to take the North, true. The reason Ramsey is the best Lord to marry in her case is because he is the current heir to the North.
Also, Roose Bolton's army would split between him and Ramsey if the two turned on each other, so for Sansa it's a very easy way to strengthen her army and weaken Roose's at the same time.
Roose having another heir helps Sansa as well, because the further Ramsey slips down the line of succession, the more likely he is to turn on Roose, and the North would support her over Roose Bolton in the ensuing civil war.
To get back the North she has to kill Roose Bolton, and Ramsey is the Lord in the best position to do that for her.
indigo-cyclops
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Gotta say the one thing I'm looking forward to this season is Bran being back; not sure why considering how they bungled even that reveal (Bloodraven).
But yea, last season really did a number on me and my trust in the writers.
But yea, last season really did a number on me and my trust in the writers.
There's no chance he'll be back.
Steelyuhas
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I found the House of Black and White visually interesting in the show maybe just because I personally didn't get a solid visual ID of it from the books.
I hope so, I need some Blackfish back.
He's dead
yeah you're probably right, I suppose we would have heard about it by now
still, an off-screen death for freaking Stannis the Mannis, c'mon!
RatskyWatsky
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I know the biggest (and most annoying) Stannis fan, never liked Stannis in the books and found the weird internet love of him... perplexing, to say the least. So the way they killed him (and the fact that he does indeed die in the series) was hilarious and amazing for me.
Looking forward to the teaser tomorrow and really hope they can avoid another sand snake-esque disaster this season.
Looking forward to the teaser tomorrow and really hope they can avoid another sand snake-esque disaster this season.
Steelyuhas
Member
I believe they are, and Siddig mentioned shooting for season six. I would assume they don't have a ton of screen time this year though.
There's no point stopping watching now if you're waiting for TWOW to avoid spoilers, as although there's only a year maybe till the next book, the following season will be stuff potentially spoiling the final book and that's probably half a decade away at least. Just watch it all and treat the two things as separate entities.
bitbydeath
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I hope they are, the Lannisters have some debts to pay them.
Interesting. I would hope Doran's agency could at least be salvaged, because Siddig deserves better.
If only Jaime could have somehow turned that ship around...
Atraveller
Banned
One of the dumbest scene in season 5.
Yeah, kill the Lannister princess with your sole heir to Dorne on board, that's smart! There's 100% no risk of a hostage situation, or just a good old revenge.
That's assuming the SS and Ellaria don't want Trystane killed. Maybe they want him out of the way so they can take over Dorne from Doran? I'm just trying to make sense of that clusterfuck.
Atraveller
Banned
I do not, do not want a Dorne civil war plot with those characters and their dialogues.That's assuming the SS and Ellaria don't want Trystane killed. Maybe they want him out of the way so they can take over Dorne from Doran? I'm just trying to make sense of that clusterfuck.
The show would come up with a dumb reason somehow :/
Maybe not a full civil war but with Trystane killed it would force Dorne into a war with KL like the SS wanted all along. They fight KL and weakens them before Dany comes over.
Astral Dog
Member
NOOOOO!!Their reasoning was so dumb too - "It would have been gratuitous to show his death!"
AHHHHHHHH
Rogue Agent
Banned
I hope that "teaser of the tease" isn't representative of what we're getting tonight. Even if it's shorter than normal, i'm just craving a trailer teasing various storylines. If it's just a small clip from Arya's storyline or god forbid like the other teasers we've gotten, that will be very disappointing.
Yeah I think they only filmed for like three days though, so it's a one or two episode appearance. If I had to guess, it's going to be something like:
EPISODE 1 -
Doran: I SAID I WOULD KILL YOU ALL IF YOU PULLED THIS SHIT ALL OF YOU GET IN DUNGEON NOW
EPISODE 10 -
Doran: Ehhh never mind vengeance justice fire and blood get your asses to King's Landing your my most trusted agents now.
The Boltons have no real support in the North outside of themselves. Indeed, Roose notes that in explaining why they want the marriage; which only calls attention to the fact that Sansa doesn't gain anything by marrying them. With the rest of the North plus the Vale, she should be able to supplant the Boltons by force.
Cornballer
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The specifically labeled it as a teaser, and it's likely to be under a minute, so I imagine that this:
Is what we're going to get. Maybe we'll also get some shots of characters reacting to things that they won't show.
There was a picture with all the Dorne people as well as new cast members, so I assume they're all back.
Maybe we'll also get some shots of characters reacting to things that they won't show.
But none that warm the heart as much as this:
I knew who it would be and exactly which gif it would be before clicking on the spoiler. I thank you any way.But none that warm the heart as much as this:
Oldest Snake
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Don't forget the tortured political statement from Daenerys that sounds terrible in the trailer and then even worse in context when it airs.
Steelyuhas
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The true king Westeros needsBut none that warm the heart as much as this:
Cornballer
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Anyone have a favorite trailer from a previous season?
WiCnet listed these:
- Season 1 - Official Trailer
- Season 2 - The War of the Five Kings
- Season 3 - "Bones"
- Season 4 - Trailer #1
- Season 5 - "Heroes"
WiCnet listed these:
- Season 1 - Official Trailer
- Season 2 - The War of the Five Kings
- Season 3 - "Bones"
- Season 4 - Trailer #1
- Season 5 - "Heroes"
Gets me every time...But none that warm the heart as much as this:
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