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What gaming sentiment bothers you the most overall?
- Thread starter The Dude
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The whole DQ7 3DS controversy was so hilarious for me - everyone losing their shit but meanwhile I'm just shrugging since I'm much more into synth-based music than orchestral anyways.
A big one for me is the notion that new technology invalidates certain types of gameplay. For example, a lot of people have said for years now that turn-based RPGs should go the way of the dodo because of the emergence of action-RPGs. One is not objectively superior to the other, and to argue as much merely exposes one's own myopia and apathy towards the tastes of others.
Another one that really bugs me isn't limited to video games, but I see it super often on GAF, and that's buying into the narrative justifications for problematic elements. Justifying content in this way is completely backwards and almost anachronistic. I bumped into this when I made my thread about the wheelchair-bound Gehrman in Bloodborne. IMO if you're OK with content that other people find problematic, being upfront about it is a lot better than parroting the game's internal excuse for that content.
Another one that really bugs me isn't limited to video games, but I see it super often on GAF, and that's buying into the narrative justifications for problematic elements. Justifying content in this way is completely backwards and almost anachronistic. I bumped into this when I made my thread about the wheelchair-bound Gehrman in Bloodborne. IMO if you're OK with content that other people find problematic, being upfront about it is a lot better than parroting the game's internal excuse for that content.
And it is not like the action RPG is new either. It is old too. It isn't a replacement for turn based. It is its own thing.
Exactly. They are distinct gameplay styles. That goes for a lot of other styles too. It really bugs me when people say a certain type of game "shouldn't exist anymore."
Joey Jo-Jo Jr
Member
1)Boring people moaning about racing games that aren't "realistic" and looking down at/moaning about any arcade style racing games.
Racing game discussion being dominated by maniacs talking about the finer points of their driving game set up, chair, wheel, desk etc.
Has pretty much sucked all the fun out of the racing genre in the last few years.
2) The culture of storm in a teacup outrage/witchhunts about relatively minor things or technical issues whipped up by gaming news websites and this forum.
Racing game discussion being dominated by maniacs talking about the finer points of their driving game set up, chair, wheel, desk etc.
Has pretty much sucked all the fun out of the racing genre in the last few years.
2) The culture of storm in a teacup outrage/witchhunts about relatively minor things or technical issues whipped up by gaming news websites and this forum.
blame space
Banned
What is the general consensus on gaming sentiments?
CEJames
Member
Yet they refuse to have any decent sales like PSN or Steam....
"10/10 doesn't necessarily mean perfect", despite any criticism it receives that other games get a penalty for, "As long as it doesn't detract from the game's experience, it should still be 10/10" The latter totally being subjective, the scoring system needs to go.
Favoritism, nostalgia, vendetta, or just being purely honest without the honeymoon phase can influence a reviewers "score" and fanboy wars/death threats get created.
CannonFodder52
Member
The amount of focus from consumers and devs on cutting edge graphics.
I hate hearing "that looks like a PS3 game"
That's almost never an accurate statement and even if it is accurate, who cares? I'd rather every game looked like PS3 titles, if they are going to try unique or innovative gameplay ideas.
I hate hearing "that looks like a PS3 game"
That's almost never an accurate statement and even if it is accurate, who cares? I'd rather every game looked like PS3 titles, if they are going to try unique or innovative gameplay ideas.
Dangansona
Member
I just hate how some people make it sound like we as a community have agreed a game sucks and therefore it is fact.
Holundrian
Unconfirmed Member
I absolutely hate the mentality of that you can't like a game and criticize it or when a game just gets a lot of criticism people going "can't we just all like things?".
It riles me up a little to be honest. It's so upsetting to see people being so incredibly bad at reading criticism on something they like. It's not even that they just disagree with it and make an interesting post arguing against it but more like they can't even take the notion of it and take a shut out and control the tone stance.
At least that's the impression I get sometimes.
That stuff gets especially bad/upsetting when the criticism goes into socially relevant issues. Then this "lalalalala" attitude and "just let them make the games they wanna make" ... I just ... urh...
It riles me up a little to be honest. It's so upsetting to see people being so incredibly bad at reading criticism on something they like. It's not even that they just disagree with it and make an interesting post arguing against it but more like they can't even take the notion of it and take a shut out and control the tone stance.
At least that's the impression I get sometimes.
That stuff gets especially bad/upsetting when the criticism goes into socially relevant issues. Then this "lalalalala" attitude and "just let them make the games they wanna make" ... I just ... urh...
But that's the truth
Triforce141
Member
"3D Platformers need to be be open world or have huge non-linear areas to explore as its main focus."
Just because a game in the same genre focus' on more linear based design that challenge you on platforming than exploration like Crash Bandicoot or 2008-onward 3D Sonic games, doesn't mean they're terrible or "aren't true 3D platformers"
Just because a game in the same genre focus' on more linear based design that challenge you on platforming than exploration like Crash Bandicoot or 2008-onward 3D Sonic games, doesn't mean they're terrible or "aren't true 3D platformers"
That "new" automatically equals "better."
In recent years some of my favorite games have been old-ass games I played for the first time. I can maybe understand 1996-2001 3D graphics being displeasing to the eyes, or early PC games being a lot less user-friendly than games today. I just don't like how a lot of people have this believe that newer games are uniformly deeper, more complex, and more fun than older ones. It's especially bad when developers take this sentiment.
In recent years some of my favorite games have been old-ass games I played for the first time. I can maybe understand 1996-2001 3D graphics being displeasing to the eyes, or early PC games being a lot less user-friendly than games today. I just don't like how a lot of people have this believe that newer games are uniformly deeper, more complex, and more fun than older ones. It's especially bad when developers take this sentiment.
timetokill
Banned
- Nintendo should go third party
- Platformers are a waste of a developer's talents
- Constant comparisons to Dark Souls as though it invented every game concept ever
- 3D Marios that aren't "proper 3D Marios" because reasons
- Spieler Eins
- Lazy devs
- Unity is garbage
- Indie games are trash
- Turn-based is dead
- Open world is automatically better
- Platformers are a waste of a developer's talents
- Constant comparisons to Dark Souls as though it invented every game concept ever
- 3D Marios that aren't "proper 3D Marios" because reasons
- Spieler Eins
- Lazy devs
- Unity is garbage
- Indie games are trash
- Turn-based is dead
- Open world is automatically better
People whining over "unclear" game mechanics or elements when the game clearly had a tutorial somewhere explainingg said mechanic. But sure, blame the game for your inability to read and just keep tapping that skip button.
Something I saw a lot in Horizon threads: people coming in the thread whining and demanding an explanation about unresolved plot points...without finishing the game. Before crying about the game not explaining story elements maybe finish the game first?
Something I saw a lot in Horizon threads: people coming in the thread whining and demanding an explanation about unresolved plot points...without finishing the game. Before crying about the game not explaining story elements maybe finish the game first?
The age old classic:
"You're not allowed to comment on a game until you've played it."
New genres aren't exactly sprouting up lately an after having been into gaming for so many years you do develop an instinct about whether a games for you or not just by looking at an reading about it. The sentiments just used as a stubborn defense for super fanbots of whatever game. It also seems ta tie into the "pics/receipts or gtfo attitude" and elitism in general. Expecting others to buy a game to prove something to the internet is dumb!
"You're not allowed to comment on a game until you've played it."
New genres aren't exactly sprouting up lately an after having been into gaming for so many years you do develop an instinct about whether a games for you or not just by looking at an reading about it. The sentiments just used as a stubborn defense for super fanbots of whatever game. It also seems ta tie into the "pics/receipts or gtfo attitude" and elitism in general. Expecting others to buy a game to prove something to the internet is dumb!
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
Rationally, I know it's fucking stupid to let other people's behavior affect your experience with a single player game, but I can't help it.
Yeah, I hate when a couple of Gaffer made some dumb threads which get repeated on Twitter as "NeoGAF in a nutshell" even though hundreds of other Gaffers admonish them in the thread.
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
The use of the word "archaic" against a mechanic or design one doesn't like.
"Turn based games are archaic"
"Random encounters are archaic."
It's just a cheap ploy to try to make it seem like it's not about taste or opinion, but objective badness.
"Turn based games are archaic"
"Random encounters are archaic."
It's just a cheap ploy to try to make it seem like it's not about taste or opinion, but objective badness.
This and all the people whining about people with higher standards for framerate.
Having a higher framerate is always an objective improvement on a game.
If you can tolerate lower? That's great glad it doesn't bother you! What's hilarious is that what does bother you is people that are affected by it.
The absolute worst I've seen is those mocking people that don't like low fov, despite fov being something that can literally make a game unplayable for people.
The Dude
Member
Yea, if people think turn based in gaming is archaic then they would die knowing how old chess is lol to me whether it's a video game or board game or card game, taking turns is all part of many game structures. Turn based in games is simply a loose form of chess in my book. The simple notion of you take a turn, I take a turn... Simple as that.
TatteredHat
Member
Preorder culture annoys me.
I'll post one:
"This game does not count because I've played it before on my console of choice, therefor it cannot be counted as a game in your platform of choices library." - From here, the goalpost moves unlimited amount of times and there is no common ground.
Sad part is, this isn't even part of the exclusivity argument...which is even worse.
"This game does not count because I've played it before on my console of choice, therefor it cannot be counted as a game in your platform of choices library." - From here, the goalpost moves unlimited amount of times and there is no common ground.
Sad part is, this isn't even part of the exclusivity argument...which is even worse.
Can I ask what you mean by 'preorder culture'? People going nuts over special editions, that kind of thing?
ScatheZombie
Member
... but that's literally the definition of the abbreviation.
As a niche games fan,
" If it's not on my preferred platform, I won't buy it "
Or
" X games is better off staying as an exclusive "
Your platform loyalty is actively harming a game you like bruh and they are niche to begin with.
These days though, I care less about gaming and ironically those impossible to get sequels games are actually getting made. From Bayonetta 2 to the recent NieR Automata.
Maybe if I quit gaming, Matsuno would get another stint for big budget rpg.
" If it's not on my preferred platform, I won't buy it "
Or
" X games is better off staying as an exclusive "
Your platform loyalty is actively harming a game you like bruh and they are niche to begin with.
These days though, I care less about gaming and ironically those impossible to get sequels games are actually getting made. From Bayonetta 2 to the recent NieR Automata.
Maybe if I quit gaming, Matsuno would get another stint for big budget rpg.
Durrzerker
Banned
People bashing Bioware saying they are worse than they used to be, or that EA ruined them. The fact their demographic has changed and they aren't interested in making the same kind of games they did pre-KOTOR seems to endlessly bother some. I love all their games and I know tons of people who do too. While I get not liking their new direction it bothers me that so many think that means their games suck just because they are no longer the target market.
calavera_jo
Neo Member
People telling me I have rose tinted glasses for Doom 1/Doom 2.
I still play those games with source ports today.
I don't understand the whole "It can't be fun because it's old" attitude
I still play those games with source ports today.
I don't understand the whole "It can't be fun because it's old" attitude
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
Source ports is cheating. Play it the way God intended or don't play it at all.
Clockwork5
Member
That there was ever a better time for video games.
whalleywhat
Member
x is bad game design. Has to be the most abused terminology around. I died: bad game design. I had to think for myself: bad game design. It's probably far more the case that mediocre, cookie-cutter 'good' game design is the bigger problem.
That making Souls games with difficulty options would somehow wreck them. It's as if only those who 'got gud' are entitled to ever touch the game. Why does wanting an easy mode in a Souls game make it any less enjoyable for anyone else? It's not like anybody would be holding a gun to people's heads demanding they play easy mode.
I made a thread on that exact subject, how can something be rated more or less than it is? It ties very deeply into an "everybody is an idiot except me" attitude.
Enjoying a niche game and calling it underrated though has completely different connotations usually linked to the fact that it just simply wasn't played enough.
But something being called "overrated" is so derogatory.
If you didn't like it that is fine, that's me for SM 3D World I think it's good but not amazing, but I would be an idiot to call it overrated, it's so beloved by fans and reviewers alike.
The use of "dumbed down" for the same purpose, though often on the opposite side of the debate
GurgleBot20
Member
This sentiment kinda of bothers me.
Oh my god. What an amazing post. This is exactly what I feel. Couldn't have said it better myself.
ElephantShell
Banned
PC master race bullshit. Feeling superior to somebody because you play games on more powerful hardware. Games are games y'all just play how you want to play and enjoy it.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
It was mostly tongue-in-cheek, but I'm a bit of a purist. I'll take my chunky PSX textures and original "fake 3D" Doom over super-smoothed and super-anti-aliased visuals any day of the week.
Enjoy your games how you want though, I don't really care.
- Good enough = Almost perfect.
- I want "This game 6", or "this game 11"...
What about new and/or original stuff ?
- I want "This game 6", or "this game 11"...
What about new and/or original stuff ?
Oh yes this too. It's extremely annoying I agree.
GurgleBot20
Member
I've come to appreciate and enjoy playing Doom through Chocolate Doom (I try to avoid DosBox when possible), so I kind of get this. But I do get annoyed when other's (not necessarily you) claim that someone's playing a game incorrectly.
I mean, God forbid I summon for a boss in Dark Souls once in a while...
TheWeaponeer
Banned
Automatic Updates are a good thing...
This alone has turned a lot of "products" into continuous patch fests, sometimes taking longer to download and install than it would to actually play the game for a block of time. It has lead to lazy programming and a serious lack of optimization for initial release, because now you can just "patch it up later". Nothing kills the joy of wanting to sit down and play than a 8GB "patch" file in your queue.
Season Passes help to expand a game with new content that otherwise maybe have never been made...
A big Fuck You to all the companies that have abused that one. $50 now for most of them and the cost still keeps going up. And usually the content fails to live up to that cost. Warner Brothers I am looking at you...
This alone has turned a lot of "products" into continuous patch fests, sometimes taking longer to download and install than it would to actually play the game for a block of time. It has lead to lazy programming and a serious lack of optimization for initial release, because now you can just "patch it up later". Nothing kills the joy of wanting to sit down and play than a 8GB "patch" file in your queue.
Season Passes help to expand a game with new content that otherwise maybe have never been made...
A big Fuck You to all the companies that have abused that one. $50 now for most of them and the cost still keeps going up. And usually the content fails to live up to that cost. Warner Brothers I am looking at you...