It's really NOT that simple. My family back home still uses the Wii today for fishing, golfing, table tennis, and dancing. They are even still finding new games to play... they just discovered Wii Play Motion and have enjoyed it a lot the past month.
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Why do people keep saying that "Wii won last gen?"
- Thread starter Comandr
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It's really NOT that simple. My family back home still uses the Wii today for fishing, golfing, table tennis, and dancing. They are even still finding new games to play... they just discovered Wii Play Motion and have enjoyed it a lot the past month.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Wii definitely won if sales are the metric.
Mindshare? Maybe we could give that to 360.
Mindshare? Maybe we could give that to 360.
Out of interest: Do they know about Wii U?
phosphor112
Banned
In terms of Sales and Profitability you sayin' it didn't?
I don't think he said that.
Metallix87
Member
"Atrocious" software library is a bit of a bizarre statement, isn't it? I'm still puzzled as to why people keep using such terminology for the Wii's software library, despite the wide range of quality content on the platform, most of which was exclusive.
Quadraphonic
Member
Oh yeah. Motion gaming is totally here to stay. Look at all the motion gaming in the top selling console games of last year.
GTAV, Call of Duty, Pokemon X/Y, FIFA, Assassin's Creed IV, Disney Infinity, Skylanders, The Last of Us...
All big motion gaming titles.
Uhm... you haven't been keeping track of sales numbers, have you? Both the Xbox 360 and PS3 are a few million behind the Wii now. They will pass it in a year or two.
Comandr
Member
I guess then the followup question I would pose is: Do you think that Wii's short term (relatively speaking) success ended up doing long term damage to Nintendo as a brand?
If you were to ask <Jane Mom of Two> what she knows about Nintendo, she would probably tell you something Wii related. People associate Nintendo with Wii. They are one and the same. Just like Wii and Wii U are one and the same. Given the state of Nintendo right now today, do you think that the Wii was a smart decision?
God dammit. I didn't think I would laugh so hard at this.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I agree. It was filled with shovelware but it also had so many classics. And I'm talking non-Nintendo games too.
Here For The Free Feed
Member
it's because people love to talk sales until it doesn't suit thier platform of choice
It's my estimate for this type of zealous, ridiculous conversation that almost begs for flame wars and results in zero conclusions other than that people have opinions.
It was my zealous, ridiculous response.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Man, are people still that mad about this
The quality is subjective but there was plenty of first party software from Nintendo for the Wii. They did not skimp in the quantity of games they released for the system compared to the Gamecube or N64.
DidntKnowJack
Member
It won because it sold the most units. You know, the barometer people have been using to gauge who won in every other generation to date. No idea why all of a sudden selling the most units doesn't count.
Dion Blaster
Member
Because it has the most console sales and software sales.
Of course software sales will probably be passed up by one of the HD twins, console sales less likely. If it gets passed up two years from now will anyone give a shit though?
Also what do people mean by "wade through all the shovelware"? Do you people seriously go to gamestop and look through all the games without doing any prior research?
Of course software sales will probably be passed up by one of the HD twins, console sales less likely. If it gets passed up two years from now will anyone give a shit though?
Also what do people mean by "wade through all the shovelware"? Do you people seriously go to gamestop and look through all the games without doing any prior research?
Poimandres
Member
Because different people have different definitions for "winning".
Personally, I think that "winning" means selling the most consoles. Or maybe an argument could be made for the console that made the most money in total from games/peripherals/hardware etc. By either metric, pretty sure the Wii is still the winner!
If one of the HD twins happens to overthrow the Wii by the end of its life, then it will be the winner. Don't see it happening though.
CharminUltra
Member
All consoles last gen won in some areas and lost in others depending on where you place the goalposts.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
It's amazing how the Wii just rolled over and died.
Sound bitter here. People say the PS1 "won" three generations ago, PS2 "won" two generations ago so logically, the Wii "won" last generation. It sold the most and helped give Nintendo all that backup cash people refer to when saying they can endure the Wii U failure.
Also, in terms of closing the gap? Wii still sold respectably for a console with little support in the December NPD
Edit: You know what, I retract my statement about who "Won" the last generation, every console had their own strengths and weaknesses and in the end, I'm sure everyone was happy with whatever console they chose
Also, in terms of closing the gap? Wii still sold respectably for a console with little support in the December NPD
Edit: You know what, I retract my statement about who "Won" the last generation, every console had their own strengths and weaknesses and in the end, I'm sure everyone was happy with whatever console they chose
Yeah, it says something when you can screw up as blatantly as MS did and still get a ton of console sales, while the Wii did great and the Wii U didn't do anything particularly egregious outside of being a fairly weak console (which didn't hold back the Wii) only to sell as badly as it did.
Though that can also be poorly communicating that they have a NEW SYSTEM and that the power level should've been at least roughly where the DC was relative to the PS2. Even Microsoft at least is in the same ballpark as PS4, enough to get the same games albeit usually at lower resolutions and/or FPSes, and they pushed the marketing beast to ensure that despite the fucking terrible name people knew it was actually a new console and not a new version of Kinect to stick into the 360.
They do and they don't want it. I own one and I showed off Wii Sports online, but they didn't care for it. They like inviting friends over.
They ALMOST considered one after playing Luigi's Mansion in Nintendo Land. My mom was giggling like a fiend when she was the ghost. Funny as all hell.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Comandr
Member
This is my favorite post in the Citadel. Basically answered my question.
They are both about 20 million units behind. They will never catch up.
ShockingAlberto
Member
The Wii sold the most.
But the PS3 had the most musou games.
But the PS3 had the most musou games.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Compared to what? Not PS3, surely. My 360s all sounded like a helicopter taking off. Only my Dreamcast is louder.
Metallix87
Member
You'll notice most Wii U games feature Wiimote controls for multiplayer, and some for single player. Kinect is still bundled with Microsoft's system. Obviously, there is a decline, since a new, worthwhile motion game has yet to appear that can match the power of Wii Sports last gen, but the technology is still there, and still being utilized. I doubt it ever reaches the "heights" of last generation, but I do think we'll see more interesting uses for it. I believe Zelda for Wii U will likely use it, for instance, and if so, will feature controls further refined from Skyward Sword.
The problem with motion gaming is that third party shovelware has attached a negative stigma to the technology. Eventually, the technology will overcome that, and find it's home as a viable option for developers that can enhance certain gameplay experiences, and make some possible that otherwise wouldn't be.
Nobody "won" last gen. I hate that term, especially because it is ultra vague and is exists only to fan the flames of fan-boy wars. These are gaming consoles and are simply gateways into a hobby, not competitors in a gladiator death match.
If someone wants to define the term "win" for everyone then we might be able to have a discussion that could be halfway decent. I also want to point out that something like "did the best last gen" is also super vague and subjective with meanings that could be "best at making money", "best for my subjective tastes in games", "best for the hardcore market" or simply a selection of the above. We have even already using all these subjective and situational things justify a "win" in this thread...
If someone wants to define the term "win" for everyone then we might be able to have a discussion that could be halfway decent. I also want to point out that something like "did the best last gen" is also super vague and subjective with meanings that could be "best at making money", "best for my subjective tastes in games", "best for the hardcore market" or simply a selection of the above. We have even already using all these subjective and situational things justify a "win" in this thread...
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
The only metric that matters.
TheRedSnifit
Member
Nintendo did win last generation: They made tons of money, whereas Sony and Microsoft made net losses on their own consoles.
ShockingAlberto
Member
20 million is a few? The sales are only going to slow down from here on in. If they do catch up, it'll probably in 3-4 years and due to the machines still selling well in developing markets (as the PS2 did I believe). The Wii is still selling too, though not at nearly the same pace.
The PS1 sold the most.
But the N64 had the most Nintendo games.
The SNES sold the most.
But the Genesis had blast processing.
Don't make it too obvious.
DigitalDevilSummoner
zero cognitive reasoning abilities
it won a battle not the war.
the console war is about market adoption indeed but the point is to attract publishers by having a large install base.
the Wii didn't win against the PS3 & 360 because it was not a direct competitor; the numbers it pulled didn't sway any publishers to focus on the console. The Wii managed to produce hardware revenue but other than that didn't win shit. It invented a new/different market. End of story.
chalkitdown1
Member
What the hell does winning a gen even mean?
Most console sales?
Most software sales?
Manufacturer money earned? (Not always related to most console sales lest we forget)
Highest metacritic game review averages?
It's a fucking ridiculous concept. If its the first one (as it usually is) then it has no bearing on you the consumer whatsoever, and anyone gloating/jealous/getting salty, butthurt or otherwise upset about it should take a long hard look at their life and realise that the console that "won" the gen was the one that gave you the most enjoyment personally.
Most console sales?
Most software sales?
Manufacturer money earned? (Not always related to most console sales lest we forget)
Highest metacritic game review averages?
It's a fucking ridiculous concept. If its the first one (as it usually is) then it has no bearing on you the consumer whatsoever, and anyone gloating/jealous/getting salty, butthurt or otherwise upset about it should take a long hard look at their life and realise that the console that "won" the gen was the one that gave you the most enjoyment personally.
Master System variations are still being legally sold in certain countries (Brazil and Latin America, I think.) Do we wait until that system is fully done before we say that the NES won that generation? PSP games are still being sold and the system is still on sale in Japan as well. Do we wait until the last visual novel comes out before we can declare the DS the winner of the portable generation? Hell, both Wii and DS games are still being made (licensed stuff mostly), so by that logic, can we not say that anyone "Won" either race last gen?
Lines have to be drawn sometime. As much attention as cross-gen games get, they're slowly starting to fade away, as the systems are closing in on 9 and 8 years on the market respectively. I'm not defending the Wii in any way, just saying that gamers are ready to move on, as are developers. So as such, whatever C-tier software comes out after the cross-gen blitz occurs won't give the systems the extra oomph they need to break 100 million worldwide.
No one's going to be buying 360's 5 years from now.
No one's going to be buying 360's 1 year from now.
The PS3 is the only one that has a tail, and that tail is abnormally long.
The PS3 and 360 will not outpace the Wii. From a pure sales standpoint, the Wii did win last generation.
That being said, none of that will matter in 6 months time. The PS4 and XBone's first salvo of heavy hitters are out in less than 30 days, and even though it had the best game released last year, the WiiU has 2 retail releases in the same time frame. The state of the game has changed.