It's called an OS update. Of course stuff is going to break.
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It's called an OS update. Of course stuff is going to break.
This has happened once before, and the current fix at the time was the one you posted. It actually got fixed in a later Windows build.
This one is new though, and the old fixes aren't working this time.
It's called an OS update. Of course stuff is going to break.
Of course it did. This should surprise absolutely nobody. But hey its free guys!
Wow.They totally aren't interested in breaking competing options! Tim Sweeney can't be right!
So I need to have used a DS4 on PC in order to comment in this thread? Is that what you are saying? I need to have used a DS4 to voice suspicion about new developments a multi billion dollar company with a history of convictions wherein they ahve exploited their near monopoly to manipulate the market, kill off competing services and take advantage of consumers. Oh ok. I'll be sure to get your personal permission before I comment on anything related Microsoft again.
Is that what you wanted to hear form me? Get outta here with that BS. Questioning the suspicious developments surrounding a company with this sort of history should be the immediate reaction not hand waiving it away. Microsoft isnt your friend they are company trying to collect your money and your data to make more money. Why is it you are rushing in to defend them like they are some unquestionable paragon? They earned their reputation for a reason and until they prove otherwise everyone should suspect they are doing something underhanded. They have not earned the benefit of the doubt in any shape, form, or fashion.
So I need to have used a DS4 on PC in order to comment in this thread? Is that what you are saying? I need to have used a DS4 to voice suspicion about new developments a multi billion dollar company with a history of convictions wherein they ahve exploited their near monopoly to manipulate the market, kill off competing services and take advantage of consumers. Oh ok. I'll be sure to get your personal permission before I comment on anything related Microsoft again.
Is that what you wanted to hear form me? Get outta here with that BS. Questioning the suspicious developments surrounding a company with this sort of history should be the immediate reaction not hand waiving it away. Microsoft isnt your friend they are company trying to collect your money and your data to make more money. Why is it you are rushing in to defend them like they are some unquestionable paragon? They earned their reputation for a reason and until they prove otherwise everyone should suspect they are doing something underhanded. They have not earned the benefit of the doubt in any shape, form, or fashion.
No, you have to "hide" it in order to use a third party application to make your system think it's an Xbox controller, because xinput is basically the defacto controller standard. Ironically, this is mostly an issue in games that already have native DS4 support anyway, because the controller ends up being registered twice.
If you want to use a DS4 on a PC. You plug it in.
As far as I know, Sony doesn't put out official drivers for the Dual Shock controllers... Which means that if you use it without a community driver it downgrades to Dinput which is the old controller standard
Because when you plug in a PS4 controller, the system sees it as a dinput device (like any random 3rd party PC controller), but you want it to work natively with games that support 360 controllers, so this third party application 'hides' the dinput PS4 controller and translates inputs over to xinput.
You have to hide the dinput so that games that support xinput and direct input at the same time don't leave you doubling every single button press (because d-pad down would count as d-pad down across two 'input devices', the directinput PS4 controller and the xinput wrapper, as opposed to just the one).
It is an issue for other controllers, if you mean D-input ones. Before the Dualshock drivers people would use Xbox360ce for this function. Xinput is a lot easier to use so it saves users a lot of headaches to have a program trick your computer into thinking it's using an Xbox pad rather than hoping for individual game support or hoping games allow remapping.
Most other controllers these days are X-input, even the logitech basic ones that are like 25 dollars tend to either be X-input or have a switch to toggle between X and D.
holy shit lol is this post real life
MS should really test all third-party drivers and make sure their updates are compliant for them.
MS should really test all third-party drivers and make sure their updates are compliant for them.
So I need to have used a DS4 on PC in order to comment in this thread? Is that what you are saying? I need to have used a DS4 to voice suspicion about new developments a multi billion dollar company with a history of convictions wherein they ahve exploited their near monopoly to manipulate the market, kill off competing services and take advantage of consumers. Oh ok. I'll be sure to get your personal permission before I comment on anything related Microsoft again.
Is that what you wanted to hear form me? Get outta here with that BS. Questioning the suspicious developments surrounding a company with this sort of history should be the immediate reaction not hand waiving it away. Microsoft isnt your friend they are company trying to collect your money and your data to make more money. Why is it you are rushing in to defend them like they are some unquestionable paragon? They earned their reputation for a reason and until they prove otherwise everyone should suspect they are doing something underhanded. They have not earned the benefit of the doubt in any shape, form, or fashion.
Seriously MS defense force...chill.
doesn't have to be a conspiracy
they just don't have to put a priority on fixing things that break the drivers for the controller they don't want you to buy
it's not even that they intentionally broke it in the first place
Ah, yes, good ol' "guilty until proven innocent". Don't pivot towards the company being bad just because you posted about how sketchy it is without actually knowing how it works.
Yes, there's a miniscule chance it was broken on purpose. But the likelihood is that they tweaked something else, and that lead to DS4s not working properly. It will be, like in the past, fixed by Microsoft.
Of course it did. This should surprise absolutely nobody. But hey its free guys!
MS should really test all third-party drivers and make sure their updates are compliant for them.
I'm thinking you're being sarcastic. At least I hope you are.
quite entertaining.
Huh ok. I usually only play MMOs on PC and use the keyboard. My only PC related gamepad gaming is a linux emulation setup so I dont have any experience trying to get controllers to work with windows since I used a 360 pad with Windows XP. Just seems like a really odd thing to have to work around to ensure compatibility. Kinda crazy that plug and play isnt more universally compatible these days.
Ya ya. I don't have much experience on the matter. I know now anyway. Doesn't change the fact that its a bit suspect but whatever.
So you're going to blame Microsoft for not providing drivers for Sony hardware? Xinput is the standard on Windows, third parties support it, games support it Sony doesn't.I mean regardless of whether or not its the norm reading that you have to hide the controllers origins and basically remap it using additional software to ensure compatibility does seem a bit sketchy.
I'll never tell! :x
How much flak should they get for this?
I'm thinking at least 12 flaks.
So evil they're killing their own drivers. Where does it stop?They don't even test their own drivers. Xbox One wireless controller for one.
And there it is, that transparent attempt to legitimize this thread's stillborn arguments by painting those opposed to you with that undesirable 'defense force' label, as though being able to rationalize this as an unintended consequence of the update is evidence that we're in Microsoft's wheelhouse.
And you wanna talk about others being patronizing? Not wheeling out the defense force shtick would be a great start, because that shit is actually patronizing
Of course it did. This should surprise absolutely nobody. But hey its free guys!
Windows 10 is really just a long term beta program.
what a huge overreactionAnd there it is. I could say that your statement just proves you are part of the defense force but that would be silly.
Listen I don't care about software not working either way, I just thought I would have a little fun but obviously some folk are too sensitive. I use MS products everyday so I can be critical and joke a bit about but not on GAF.
Peace out.
what a huge overreaction
And there it is. I could say that your statement just proves you are part of the defense force but that would be silly.
Listen I don't care about software not working either way, I just thought I would have a little fun but obviously some folk are too sensitive. I use MS products everyday so I can be critical and joke a bit about but not on GAF.
Peace out.
Nah I'm still here.
Plug and play is the universal standard... Just at a base level hardware needs drivers to know how to transmit whatever the hell it is doing to the operating system. The current standard for Controller Drivers is XInput and has been for several years now, it is what most controllers use.
The old standard is DInput which is several decades old and a pain for developers to work with. The XInput standard was made by Microsoft for 360 Controllers and it took over because it is easy for developers to work with. Now Windows still supports DInput, but because it is old, most developers don't spend their time to worry about supporting it; hence why we have community adapters which translate the DInput from the controller to XInput.
Now the problem here is that because Sony doesn't have an official driver for Windows, Windows tries its best to support the DS4 using it's built in "Default" Drivers which will automatically translate it to DInput (because it is the most versatile, so it is guaranteed to be able to translate it over to). But because it is DInput, most stuff wont support it because it is harder and more annoying for Developers to support over XInput.
So to fix this, all that needs to happen is the developers of the DInput to XInput adapters need to update their adapters to support the changes made to XInput
And yes this is a really over-simplified version. The actual answer is way more technical
So you're going to blame Microsoft for not providing drivers for Sony hardware? Xinput is the standard on Windows, third parties support it, games support it Sony doesn't.
What's this "anniversary update"? I've been using win 10 for a year and my DS4 works fine (currently playing with it even).
They're releasing a big OS patch this week and are calling it the anniversary update since its been roughly a year since the OS was released.What's this "anniversary update"? I've been using win 10 for a year and my DS4 works fine (currently playing with it even).
No, it's this simple.
Your immediate suspicion was a direct result of you not knowing what you were talking about.
You chose to spread FUD that you couldn't even back up yourself through the implications you made in your posts. Don't get pissed that you were called out on it.
And I don't appreciate you characterizing me as someone who's white-knighting Microsoft just because I called you out, either.
And there it is, that transparent attempt to legitimize this thread's stillborn arguments by painting those opposed to you with that undesirable 'defense force' label, as though being able to rationalize this as an unintended consequence of the update is evidence that we're in Microsoft's wheelhouse.
And you wanna talk about others being patronizing? Not wheeling out the defense force shtick would be a great start, because that shit is actually patronizing.
You can tell how they want this thread to go.
No, you have to "hide" it in order to use a third party application to make your system think it's an Xbox controller, because xinput is basically the defacto controller standard. Ironically, this is mostly an issue in games that already have native DS4 support anyway, because the controller ends up being registered twice.
If you want to use a DS4 on a PC. You plug it in.
Before I even entered the thread I had every post visualized in my head
Lets just say apart from a few posters who haven't clicked on yet because of time zones, I've been comedically accurate so far and this is only page 2