Tim, was right. Hurry, check if Chrome or any other app that is actually threatening MS, still works.
Btw, is up to MS or the developer fix that DS4 app?
We don't know that, do we? The last time it was out of the devs control. He couldn't fix it unless MS fixed something first.Dev.
We don't know that, do we? The last time it was out of the devs control. He couldn't fix it unless MS fixed something first.
Right. So basically any update is going to be a "Sweeney was right!" Even though it's common on OS updates will break things. Agenda's and all of that...
then we will have to wait for the developer to pronounce and see, if it is up to MS, how are they willing to cooperate.We don't know that, do we? The last time it was out of the devs control. He couldn't fix it unless MS fixed something first.
Whether or not you think the criticism is valid removing features and third party HW support breaking doesn't exactly scream he was wrong either. A pattern is beggining to develop. The question should be whether or not it will continue not "lol theres nothing to worry abotu this is normal." The update did break DS4 compatibility. It also removed various features and user control options that were previously available. That's worth a raised eyebrow or two considering both the company's history and the comments from certain voices in the industry. If you think that its a fluke thats fine but acting as if there is nothing to be suspicious of at all with so many of these recent developments is either incredibly naive or willfully ignorant.
then we will have to wait for the developer to pronounce and see, if it is up to MS, how are they willing to cooperate.
Whether or not you think the criticism is valid removing features and third party HW support breaking doesn't exactly scream he was wrong either. A pattern is beggining to develop. The question should be whether or not it will continue not "lol theres nothing to worry abotu this is normal." The update did break DS4 compatibility. It also removed various features and user control options that were previously available. That's worth a raised eyebrow or two considering both the company's history and the comments from certain voices in the industry. If you think that its a fluke thats fine but acting as if there is nothing to be suspicious of at all with so many of these recent developments is either incredibly naive or willfully ignorant.
Whether or not you think the criticism is valid removing features and third party HW support breaking doesn't exactly scream he was wrong either. A pattern is beggining to develop. The question should be whether or not it will continue not "lol theres nothing to worry abotu this is normal." The update did break DS4 compatibility. It also removed various features and user control options that were previously available. That's worth a raised eyebrow or two considering both the company's history and the comments from certain voices in the industry. If you think that its a fluke thats fine but acting as if there is nothing to be suspicious of at all with so many of these recent developments is either incredibly naive or willfully ignorant.
Whether or not you think the criticism is valid removing features and third party HW support breaking doesn't exactly scream he was wrong either. A pattern is beggining to develop. The question should be whether or not it will continue not "lol theres nothing to worry abotu this is normal." The update did break DS4 compatibility. It also removed various features and user control options that were previously available. That's worth a raised eyebrow or two considering both the company's history and the comments from certain voices in the industry. If you think that its a fluke thats fine but acting as if there is nothing to be suspicious of at all with so many of these recent developments is either incredibly naive or willfully ignorant.
Not that I'm saying that people shouldn't be frustrated, but you have been pointing your finger at MS the entire time in this thread and haven't made one comment to the fact that either Sony should come out with drivers of their own or the dev needs to catch up to the update.
I just wish that another OS exists so that us gamers don't have to deal with Microsoft & their BS.
Always the devWe don't know that, do we? The last time it was out of the devs control. He couldn't fix it unless MS fixed something first.
You do. PS4
Google supports Chrome on Windows and Apple supports Itunes on windows. Sony doesn't support their drivers on windows. It's not MS fault or their responsibility.
Yeah but us gamers against the evil system and remember what happened to Netscape
Yeah but us gamers against the evil system and remember what happened to Netscape
Windows 10 anniversary has been in the making for at least 6-8 months. If they dev had a preview account they should have had months to figure it out. Whatever the case obviously Sony doesn't give a crap to offer their own drivers, so you have other dev's to come out and update the drivers. Seem's to me that Sony doesn't want their controllers on windows.
Is this the first update to break a random driver and add questionable new features and take some out?
Because the DS4 is already supported on the PC, games just need to code in support for it. But since most games are only made with 360 pad in mind you need a DS4->360 emulation. It's ridiculous.Right.
Can anyone answer why Sony doesn't come out with their own driver and support it?
They're too busy trying to sabotage Steam.Why doesn't Microsoft make Sony drivers? I don't know whats going on, but something is up, I'm telling you something is up, you tell me. but I know something is up, you tell me.
well the games are made for Xinput. Sony should release official drivers.Because the DS4 is already supported on the PC, games just need to code in support for it. But since most games are only made with 360 pad in mind you need a DS4->360 emulation. It's ridiculous.
Well your entitled to your view of the situation but that doesnt exactly explain away the other issues with the update removing user control and making previously optional features mandatory without registry edits. You're looking at the broken compatibility in a vacuum. The point is that its part of a pattern that just so happens to align with statements made recently by a well known figure in the industry. So those dots will get connected whether you believe its a fluke or not. Again all I'm saying is that the question should be whether or not the pattern continues with future updates to the OS not whether it exists at all.
The point is its not just the addition of features and the removal of features its the removal of user control of existing features and functions. Removing user control is not a "feature." I certainly can't recall many Windows updates that remove user control options or remove the ability to disable certain previously optional features outside of registry edits. I If you can show otherwise I will happily stand corrected.
They're too busy trying to sabotage Steam.
They're too busy trying to sabotage Steam.
Because the DS4 is already supported on the PC, games just need to code in support for it. But since most games are only made with 360 pad in mind you need a DS4->360 emulation. It's ridiculous.
Seriously MS defense force...chill.
Of course it did. This should surprise absolutely nobody. But hey its free guys!
They totally aren't interested in breaking competing options! Tim Sweeney can't be right!
Tim Sweeney was telling the truth! Apologise right now, GAF.
My god...Tim was right.
Remind me why Microsoft should care about a third party driver when applying an update to their OS? Isn't it generally up to the supplier of third party drivers to update their driver to be compliant with new OS versions?
I mean, why do you think apps get updated when new phone software comes out? It's not up to Apple to take the millions of apps into account when implementing a new version of iOS.
Why not default to xinput as the default drivers if compatibility is such an issue with DInput? I'm assuming there's something I'm missing here. They could still support DInput as a legacy driver of some sort. You'd figure thered be some sort of integrated customization XInput mapping implemented by now. Or would that not alleviate controller compatibility concerns for third party controllers?
I mean the linux distro I use for my emulation box literally works by plugging the controller in and customizing the inputs. How is it that linux could implement such a thing but windows can't?
Who said anything about drivers? I was talking about plug and play universal compatibility. Granted its more involved and complicated than I realized but I figured things like this would have been sorted out by now. Worrying about the input method for a given controller and having to do workarounds in order to ensure compatibility just seems like something should be entirely unnecessary. But I'm probably missing some underlying complexity that explains why this can't happen.
Exactly.It sounds more like the devs of the third-party DS4 drivers didn't update to accommodate changes made in xinput. I'm not sure why people are immediately hating on Windows here.
Yep.
That's why there's a dev preview program.
I legit laughed.MS should be investigated by the EU for this.