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The fact that it's going to be offline sort of gives Nintendo a bump in this race. If it were going to have strong online features, the least likely home would be a system with the weakest online infrastructure.
sörine;171241649 said:3DS represented ~55% software sales for Japanese retail last year. PS4 was ~5% fwiw.
The fact that it's going to be offline sort of gives Nintendo a bump in this race. If it were going to have strong online features, the least likely home would be a system with the weakest online infrastructure.
Put yourself in Yuji Horii's shoes. If given the option, would you make the next mainline Dragon Quest on a rinky-dink 3DS with hardware from 2009 and a screen the size of a toenail?
Or would you opt for a big beautiful PS4, taking advantage of all this supercharged graphical beast has to offer and revolutionizing the JRPG genre once again?
For Horii, the answer may be simple.
sörine;171241649 said:3DS represented ~55% software sales for Japanese retail last year. PS4 was ~5% fwiw.
The fact that it's going to be offline sort of gives Nintendo a bump in this race. If it were going to have strong online features, the least likely home would be a system with the weakest online infrastructure.
because horii wants to make the best game possible and fans want him to accomplish his dreams.
Is DQ11 on NX likely at all? I mean I'll buy DQ11 no matter what system it's on, but the Nintendo fanboy in me wants it on a Nintendo platform.
sörine;171241649 said:3DS represented ~55% software sales for Japanese retail last year. PS4 was ~5% fwiw.
but wouldn't it being big in the west require someone to release dragon quest games hereMore like he want the franchise to be big in the West, and for that the PS4 is his best choice.
Is DQ11 on NX likely at all? I mean I'll buy DQ11 no matter what system it's on, but the Nintendo fanboy in me wants it on a Nintendo platform.
but wouldn't it being big in the west require someone to release dragon quest games here
maybe he should start with that
there's already a bunch people want to play
Yep.Holy shit...for real?
sörine;171242069 said:Yep.
01. 3DS - 23.387.031 <54,32%>
02. PS3 - 7.510.433 <17,44%>
03. PSV - 5.062.082 <11,76%>
04. WIU - 2.826.564 <6,57%>
05. PS4 - 2.441.876 <5,67%>
06. PSP - 1.053.282 <2,45%>
07. WII - 477.334 <1,11%>
08. 360 - 198.677 <0,46%>
09. XB1 - 96.009 <0,22%>
00. ALL - 43.053.288 <100,00%>
Also keep in mind that PS4 figure includes 400k free copies of Knack. Which is still the best selling PS4 game, and likely to remain that way until FFXV/KH3/DQXI/FFVIIr releases, whichever comes first.
More like he want the franchise to be big in the West, and for that the PS4 is his best choice.
"...I'd be on everyone's ignore list by now."In reality, if people cared about the best experience rather than console wars
And this is why SQEX risks seriously damaging itself in Japan if its not careful. The fact that they think that they are capable of resurrecting the PS4 is quite humorous and a bit pitiful at the same time.
Didn't stop the Wii from getting Dragon Quest X.
Well I would say DQX was more damaging to the brand than attempting to rekindle interest in the series on home consoles.
Mother of god....
Well I would say DQX was more damaging to the brand than attempting to rekindle interest in the series on home consoles.
sörine;171242069 said:Yep.
01. 3DS - 23.387.031 <54,32%>
02. PS3 - 7.510.433 <17,44%>
03. PSV - 5.062.082 <11,76%>
04. WIU - 2.826.564 <6,57%>
05. PS4 - 2.441.876 <5,67%>
06. PSP - 1.053.282 <2,45%>
07. WII - 477.334 <1,11%>
08. 360 - 198.677 <0,46%>
09. XB1 - 96.009 <0,22%>
00. ALL - 43.053.288 <100,00%>
First of all, pretty much no one thinks DQXI is "definitely" for 3DS at this point.
Secondly, Horii's preferences for the franchise aside, it's obvious enough what the strategic thinking behind DQXI on PS4 would be (revitalizing the JP console market, possibly expanding the audience for the series in the West). That doesn't mean it's unreasonable to question whether those strategic goals are in touch with reality.
The fact that it's going to be offline sort of gives Nintendo a bump in this race. If it were going to have strong online features, the least likely home would be a system with the weakest online infrastructure.
Surprising, considering all the big Japanese games PS4 had last year...
i don't want another musouUhh... DQH is coming this fall.
DQX has, surprisingly, been doing decently with its expansions.
Did you think our discussion on this was based on nothing?
The problem here is that home consoles represent a very very small percentage of dedicated gaming devices in Japan. Gamers have abandoned consoles.
"...I'd be on everyone's ignore list by now."
i don't want another musou
i want dragon quest
like, he even says that's not it
Overall yes, but 3DS is still moving competitive amounts of software versus previous successful platforms. For example DS in 2009 (the year DQIX released) was ~27m, and PSP maxxed out at ~16m in 2010 (the year MHP3rd released). The issue is more that everything else is a relative failure (Vita, Wii U, PS4, One, even PS3 really), 3DS is holding up it's end but the rest of the market has utterly collapsed.55% of what though? Software sales have really decreased since the PS2/GBA days.
Yeah, but those aren't on a console. Or even a handheld console. Or even a personal computer/console.They've released DQ1-6 on IOS and Android so they're doing something.
Well, I knew 3DS was doing very well relatively speaking...I did not realize it sold that much software compared to all other platforms. I also cannot believe, even with 400,000 free copies of Knack, that Wii U managed to sell more software than PS4. Insane.
Yeah, but those aren't on a console. Or even a handheld console. Or even a personal computer/console.
Okay, let's play your game.Well, that's why they're projections, cause we can only make assumptions based on the state of the market now and our assumptions about the project.
Is it set in stone? Of course not, but it's an informed opinion based on what we have available to us.
If you're just gonna laugh it off as fanaticism and stop all discussion, then there's not really much else to say, I guess.
You won't be laughing when DQXI fails to sell as much as DQIX.
I legit can't stop laughing. This is probably the best thread I've been in all year. Easily. I can feel the hurt from you, and I don't even know why, but it's there.Seriously, Verendus et al.'s attitude this page reminds me of the Vita Turnaround True Believer brigade circa 2012, and some of the Wii U fans circa 2013. You can't call it a failure! We don't have all the facts!
Which is a very bad thing for Sony/Square Enix and its something that they have decided to do something about.
Last year the WiiU had Mario Kart and Smash Bros. What Japanese games did the PS4 have last year that can compare to that? Like come on, these comparisons are getting worse and worse.
When releasing certain games it's not always about "which console can we sell the most units on?"
Sometimes pubs/console manufacturers want to accomplish something, or kick off a certain trend. Perhaps there might be some moneyhats involved but one thing is clear: Sony as well as Square Enix don't want the console market in Japan to die, and if it means that they'll have to put their most successful Japanese franchise on Sony consoles then so be it.
I think in this case it'd be a worthwhile "gamble", while it may not generate the same numbers as a 3DS/mobile version it may function as something else which may generate Square Enix a respectable amount of revenue in the future (see: the more PS4 owners in Japan the more RPG games they'll buy on that console)
Also, the PS4 is very popular in the west which can also help the game's sales numbers to grow which is a nice extra. There is almost no chance that DQXI won't come to the west if it's releasing on Sony consoles.
People need to think outside of the box sometimes, it's not always about the revenue something can generate but sometimes it goes a bit further than that.
Btw, I thought people would get the memo when SCEJs president said "welcome back home" to Horii.
For example I don't think that they will release the game only on PS4 in Japan and it's not like they're trying to revitalize the japanese console market because they're either fools or trying to be heroes.
Not to mention I have the impression that same people are still simply refusing/denying what Horii is saying clinging to the same japanese sales argument.
Yeah, but those aren't on a console. Or even a handheld console. Or even a personal computer/console.
No, I get it. I'm still surprised though.
When's the next big Japanese title hitting PS4?
I legit can't stop laughing. This is probably the best thread I've been in all year. Easily. I can feel the hurt from you, and I don't even know why, but it's there.
Metal Gear Solid V and Persona 5 are coming this year. It's still not a great lineup though. 2016 should be better if Square finally follows through and releases FFXV and KH3.
In the mobile westen market. So in that scenario, we must believe DQXI is only going to release as a smartphone game. (At least in the west.)So? They're making a effort to get these titles into the western market.
What about Dragon Quest X?Now, in the case of the Wii U, you don't have any Dragon Quest titles that you can use to really make sense of what you could sell with a direct comparison.
That you can't read?...and that proves my point nicely. Thanks.
Different business model. Pointless to consider.sörine;171243461 said:What about Dragon Quest X?
sörine;171241649 said:3DS represented ~55% software sales for Japanese retail last year. PS4 was ~5% fwiw.
That you can't read?
I'd like for you point out where I've said the Japanese console market is going to be saved, or that there's going to be some big turnaround. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but I'm a big supporter of mobile gaming.
That's also why I know you're hurt from my comments, and why it's hilarious. If you make that kind of assumption based on a gif of someone laughing, you're not approaching this from a "I'm sensible, and trying to understand what really makes sense" perspective. Because if you were, that's not what you'd assume.
You could assume that person is a dick, or rude, or a bunch of other things, but your first inclination wouldn't be that, unless you had an axe to grind.
Don't be obtuse. Brand recognition from mobile will help other products in the franchise.In the mobile westen market. So in that scenario, we must believe DQXI is only going to release as a smartphone game. (At least in the west.)
That just doesn't make sense to me...
More pointless than Dragon Quest Heroes? A game which undersold DQX?Different business model. Pointless to consider.
The only handheld beating 3DS in software sales is DS. It's tracking ahead of GB, GBA and PSP.Games sales measured in units sold for dedicated platforms have declined marketedly in Japan and continue to do so, for both hh and home.
- Potential financial incentives
- Any assisted marketing
- Any international outlook at all
- The creative vision (because who gives a shit what they think)
- Why Dragon Quest Heroes probably exists
- Production budget, ROI
- Future plans for the title
And basically, all of the actual hard stuff when it comes to determining what makes business sense. In this instance, Dragon Quest Heroes exists for a very specific purpose, but you don't even have to worry about how successful that title was, it's ROI, and what that ultimately meant for all the parties involved. Forget DQH2 which is going to cost less, and do pretty well too.
Holy shit...for real?
sörine;171244066 said:More pointless than Dragon Quest Heroes? A game which undersold DQX?
The only handheld beating 3DS in software sales is DS. It's tracking ahead of GB, GBA and PSP.
Like I said upthread, the issue is less with 3DS and more with literally every other current system.
Yup. If you include mobile game revenue + hh, total console game sales (wiiu, ps3/4, Wii, x1) would probably be 5-7% of the market on a dollar basis.