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Metal Gear Solid V Res Confirmed: Sub-720p (PS3/360), 720p (XB1), 1080p (PS4)
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IAmRandom31
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As I said above the Ps4 has 32 rendering processors while the X1 only had 16.
Same engine pushed to both, Ps4 will render the scene twice as fast or in these cases the PS4 can render twice the pixels just as fast.
This you get 1080p v 720p.
Cool, no parity bullshit
I hope this continues.. I dont want my version to suffer.
symmetrical
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I agree, the thread whining is becoming annoying. There are new people coming to GAF all the time and new gamers who will find these sort of comparisons very valuable. If you know how it's going to be already then don't click the thread. That's my opinion anyway.
yeah but why shouldn't we have fun while discussing it? We're a gaming community, it makes sense we'd turn this into an enjoyable activity as well
I wouldn't even bet against this.
Honey Bunny
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I remember the other day, someone on twitter say that PS4 had better framerate as well:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=768302
I wonder if the Xbone version will run closer to 30 fps than 60 ala Tomb Raider: DE. Kind of makes the next gen tax look ridiculous. More ridiculous than it already does anyway.
Read my post again. It illustrates precisely why we need to keep having these topics for every multiplatform game that comes out. It provides a real-world example of why people may make different determinations on where to get a game, depending on how major the differences are in the multiplatform games.
That line of thought presumes that each version always has the same level of optimization. We have seen larger gulfs last gen based on coding most recently the difference between the Hexadrive and High Voltage version of ZoE 2.
symmetrical
Member
It depends how much of an impact this type of information is having. I think if it was one or two titles it wouldn't matter much to the mainstream. But title after title the PS4 > Xbox One, the main stream media and social media has started to catch on. Also the 2:1 difference is also because of price. Paying more for less is really a poor decision on anyone's part as long as they do some proper research.
I think it's more that if you want XB1 games really badly then you should just go ahead and get that system. All the power in the world won't matter if you'd rather play Halo than most other games anyway.
On the other hand it's damn well enough reason to disregard the XB1 if you mainly want multiplats, and enough to convince friends to not blindly get XB1 for CoD or whatever.
yeah but why shouldn't we have fun while discussing it? We're a gaming community, it makes sense we'd turn this into an enjoyable activity as well
It's just something I'm going to have to get used to. I play 90% of my games on PC so I'm not really used to the whole platform disparity thing - I've always bought consoles for their exclusives.
I'm sure I'll adjust fine soon enough.
IIRC MGS4 was 1024x768 so no surprise there.
Zabant
Member
Gonna need that /fic asap.
Probably will considering the franchise is better known on Playstation.
Most sports games outside of NBA 2K14 looking a bit smoother on the PS4 + platformers look the same on both consoles.
More so price than anything else.
ref
Member
Yikes.
I'm not even surprised about the resolution difference, but it being 720p it really makes it hard in some screenshots to differentiate between the Xbox One version and the previous gen versions.
The differences between the two gens are easily seen in the PS4 screenshots though.
Awesome of Konami to do this site though, at least they are showing people the differences before and letting them decide if purchasing the next gen version for a premium is worth it.
I'm not even surprised about the resolution difference, but it being 720p it really makes it hard in some screenshots to differentiate between the Xbox One version and the previous gen versions.
The differences between the two gens are easily seen in the PS4 screenshots though.
Awesome of Konami to do this site though, at least they are showing people the differences before and letting them decide if purchasing the next gen version for a premium is worth it.
The Crimson Kid
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First thought: Wow, those previous gen console versions still look pretty damn good.
Second thought: It's fantastic that Konami is officially putting this info out there rather than the standard tactic of feigning ignorance and having third parties do (occasionally flawed) analyses.
Third thought: Wow, it's really tough to tell the Xbox One version apart from the 360 version. 60 FPS is nice, but I really need a crisp image, especially for stealth games, where you often have to spot things at a distance.
Aside from better rain and shadow effects, it seems that none of the improvements will really matter because they are just texture and model improvements that won't be much more visible than the 360 version due to the low resolution.
A similar example would be Dark Souls, where the console versions had many texture assets that contained more detail than you could possibly see in 720p. Even though the texture data was totally identical between the console versions and the PC version, there was much more fine detail visible in there PC version because it wasn't being obscured by low resolution any longer.
Second thought: It's fantastic that Konami is officially putting this info out there rather than the standard tactic of feigning ignorance and having third parties do (occasionally flawed) analyses.
Third thought: Wow, it's really tough to tell the Xbox One version apart from the 360 version. 60 FPS is nice, but I really need a crisp image, especially for stealth games, where you often have to spot things at a distance.
Aside from better rain and shadow effects, it seems that none of the improvements will really matter because they are just texture and model improvements that won't be much more visible than the 360 version due to the low resolution.
A similar example would be Dark Souls, where the console versions had many texture assets that contained more detail than you could possibly see in 720p. Even though the texture data was totally identical between the console versions and the PC version, there was much more fine detail visible in there PC version because it wasn't being obscured by low resolution any longer.
"The lower resolution gives the Xbox One a cinematic look, while the PS4 version looks too sharp and unrealistic."
Xbox One - 9/10
Playstation 4 - 8.5/10
GPU was not only reason why Xbone is having trouble reacing PS4. Yes, PS4 has 50% better GPU, but it also does not have framebuffer limits. Xbone devs have only 32MB of it [ESRAM], which makes working with 1080p a chore.
Jack Scofield
Member
Wow, the game looks so similar across both generations. I would have expected a bigger leap from next-gen aside from a resolution bump.
The ground also looks a bit better possibly due to AF in the X1 version.
I am quite familiar with the hardware specs of the consoles.
The PS4 is ~1.88 times faster in fillrate, which is the one metric where the difference is largest. In all other metrics the difference is smaller than that. On the other hand, the number of pixels for 1080p compared to 720p is 2.25 times as many. I just don't see that happening at a better framerate.
If that is actually the case, it most likely means that they invested more effort into the PS4 version.
You're right. And something's' telling me it will be the same for another incoming fps known as Titanfall.
No they already outted themselves in the Tomb Raider review, so this is how it will go:
"While the PS4 version runs at a higher resolution and more consistent framerate, Metal Gear Solid is not an action game that requires particular concern for response time and latency, nor is it a genre that requires you to see at a resolution higher than 720p for clarity. Therefore, our scores will remain the same for both."
First gen it has ever happened for Sony, and the first gen it has ever happened for MS in which they don't have the best looking multiplats.
Very interesting change.
As someone who has changed brands for their main consoles (back and forth from Playstation to Xbox) I'm not that bothered by this since I simply care about the games for the new console(s) looking much better than last gen. The change (again) is really interesting though.
Why shouldn't they?
DarkLordMalik
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Comparison GIF
Note: PS4 screens were 1080p, downscaled to 720p for the GIF.
Note: PS4 screens were 1080p, downscaled to 720p for the GIF.
Honestly I'd just look at what games you want and always assume the PS4 will perform better than XB1, period. The best XB1 can hope for is that someone gives up the resolution fight in favor of FPS on XB1, but goes for 1080p when they actually shouldn't on PS4, and the one example we've had of that (CoD: Ghosts) not only was kind of a crap release across all platforms but apparently screwed up the XB1's FPS advantage in the last patch.
EDIT: Well, I keep forgetting controller preferences, but I doubt it's as big an issue as last gen and you can always hunt down display units to try out both. Though I only ever found an XB1 controller in Fry's, and the demo station was still one of those fake XB1s where demo reels played.
Most likely.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Isn't this the first time ever Sony has gotten the better multiplats? PS1 I'm not sure they probably did. PS2 they definitely didn't since Xbox came out much later with better hardware. PS3 they usually didn't.
That I'm doubtful of. The game is unoptimized as all get out on PC already - it shouldn't have an issue pushing 1080p on Xbox One with the way that game looks. The textures look like absolute ass on PC's insane setting already.
There's also a good reason we haven't seen any 360 footage, screenshots, etc - and it didn't even have a beta or simultaneous launch with XBO/PC.
I'm willing to bet the 360 version is going to look like absolute, pure, concentrated ass.
IAmRandom31
Banned
I'm thinking the extra .25 is coming from 178GB/s vs 67GB/a memory bandwidth with the PS4 having a massive frame udder available compared to the choice devs have with the X1 in only 32MB.
Yup, that esram total is not enough for 1080p with high level of graphics quality. Especially for open world games that eat up a bunch of memory. MS should have went double the amount.
I find that unlikely, since they already are at 720p on XB1. At that resolution they should have no trouble fitting all rendertargets into the ESRAM.
Goodacre0081
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so Konami just straight up produced some comparison shots and tables instead of trying to obfuscate questions about the differences?
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