We can say there's pretty much no chance they came close to the 20% ratio that BD managed though.
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Bravely Default Outsells Lightning Returns FF13 in the US
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KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
In what bizarro world does handheld output not count? Especially for a Japanese company. Wut?
theprodigy
Member
yeah, #10 behind gems such as PSASBR
HoodWinked
Member
i always found it weird their selection of boxart for US almost like they were reversed. personally my first exposure to the game was the boxart and was turned off immediately but it wasnt till it kept being brought up that i looked into it and checked out the demo and it was decent.
but in hindsight i guess noa knows their audience too well lol.
edit: okay looks lke the JP box is for the FTS edition. kinda makes my point moot
but in hindsight i guess noa knows their audience too well lol.
edit: okay looks lke the JP box is for the FTS edition. kinda makes my point moot
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Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
That was the boxart of the non-FTS version in Japan.
cosmicblizzard
Banned
I'm pretty sure most sales were from informed buyers, I really doubt that cover had anything to do with targeting their audience. In fact I was hoping they would go with the EU art because it would greatly bolster the word of mouth potential of the game. I'm still pretty turned off by playing a game with that cover, if only because I can't comfortably recommend it to people.
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
Pretty much what I was going to say. I feel the hate for Lightning Returns comes just from the fact that it's Lightning and it got low reviews so that people can justify putting it down, more so than people playing it and hating it. That's not to say people can't dislike the game, but I feel people are just boarding the hate-train rather than actually playing it.
shark sandwich
tenuously links anime, pedophile and incels
Ahh this just warms my heart. Just finished Bravely Default this morning and IMO it's the best JRPG since Xenoblade (even if it did stretch on way too long for the "real" ending).
Such an epic final battle, and they even managed to cram a couple big plot twists in.
Such an epic final battle, and they even managed to cram a couple big plot twists in.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
HD remake of a game that sold well over 6 million copies is a niche title? Okaaaay.
I hope FFX HD does outsell both though, honestly I would be surprised if it didn't. Good games should be rewarded. Bravely Default was probably the most disappointing game I've played in the past couple years.
Haven't played Lightning Returns yet and even though I really enjoyed both 13 and 13-2 I find it hard to really care for LR much. I'll get around to it when its on a nice sale I guess.
theprodigy
Member
not exactly the greatest of achievements....
and yes the PAL box art was much better for Bravely Default
The closest comparison we have is probably KH1.5 HD which did 270k, although KH1 outsold FFX by a good margin too originally.
Um... except they did.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Lost Odyssey: 203k
BD JP: 300k
FFX HD: 550k (iirc)
BD NA: 200k
KH1.5 Hd LTD is around 450k iirc in NA alone. FFX Hd will easily outsell BD.
Wow. Super solid numbers for an HD port.
theprodigy
Member
The reason FFX HD outsold LR In Japan in the first place was due to the very strong Vita sales. I already mentioned that I do not think those Vita sales will be there in the US.
Why are people flipping over at this.. Are sales supposed to be indicative of the quality of a game?
It's sad that at the end of the day it's a popularity contest(
) instead of a passionate and eloquent discussion about the merits and flaws of each game.
People that have their judgements clouded by meaningless trite such as sales or name recognition should look themselves in the mirror for a proverbial reflection.
It's sad that at the end of the day it's a popularity contest(
More like dick measuring contest
People that have their judgements clouded by meaningless trite such as sales or name recognition should look themselves in the mirror for a proverbial reflection.
Close.
BD JP: 360k
FFX HD: 520k
BD will probably have long legs in the US too. KH1.5 HD did 270k in the same amount of time as BD's 200k. KH1 was also a much bigger seller in the US than FFX.
HypocrisyGalore
Banned
For some reason sales numbers only mean something when they can help your argument.
LR didn't sell well because its a terrible game. Of course, mention to the same people that FF XIII outsold every FF other than VII and VIII and all of a sudden either sales don't matter or SE lied about the numbers.
Touché. That phenomena has a fancier name, it's called confirmation bias.
HypocrisyGalore
Banned
lol so WRPGs = JRPGs when we want to discuss Final Fantasy XIII? Do you honestly believe Final Fantasy XV will outsell Skyrim? Not to mention you're comparing a heavily hyped big-budget WRPG to a spinoff.
And how is a Final Fantasy game not relevant to this conversation about Final Fantasy games?
I think there is someone here who is missing the point, but it's not me.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
AssCreed III sold a lot more than IV... And both Ubisoft and fans want to forget about III.
His point was that sales are meaningless, besides since when does public perception matter to anything?
If Chrono Cross is anything to go by, public perception can go fuck itself. Im being radical here, to be fair I just get pissed off at unfundamented vile putrid hate. Having an informed and well substantiated negative opinion is fine, but hyperbolic disposable and throwaway nonsense devoid of analytical substance just rubs me the wrong way.
More often than not this negativity is as two dimensional and shallow as the games they claim to be shite.
I should also add that this is my personal view, Im not claiming to be the harbinger of truth here, it would especially silly since we are dealing with highly subjective topics here.
Conclusion, people suck, well constructed and substantiated arguments don't.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Riposte
Member
I think the whole process of "niche" game/genre players finding vindication in game sales really unsightly in its desperation. The resentment that drives people to that is too much for me to stomach. Wouldn't be so bad if it was localized to pissing contest threads like this, but you can't have a stable thread on an assortment of topics without it; it is even popping up in OT titles lol.
I just hope SE is less hesitant to localize stuff on platforms with terrible region locking.
I just hope SE is less hesitant to localize stuff on platforms with terrible region locking.
theprodigy
Member
true, Vita being dead here won't help FFX HD, but LR also did much worse here than in Japan, so the bar for PS3 to clear isn't nearly as high
We weren't discussing this in terms of publishers or companies.I was not arguing on that front, We were talking about people in general, I was talking about the individual, the player, the consumer, the people that are right now discussing this topic.
They're both SE games, arguably from the same franchise. This isn't win/lose, only Square Enix being a shitty publisher.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Well, they care(?) enough to have FFXIII sequels dropping in number. Is not like Square marketing machine was not well oiled.
DR2K
Banned
KH is not a stronger property.
I believe you completely missinterpreted what was said, re-read it. That's not the point..
In the US it is.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Probably not anymore by the time KH3 releases.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
You don't want people discussing about sales because is to you just a e-dick contest.
I would prefer if people actually discussed the merits and qualities of each game instead of using sales numbers as any kind of indication of quality, Im not trying to censor dicussion tho, each to it's own I suppose. My opinions are just as valid as anyone else, even if I consider them to be worthless, shallow douchebags(im not flaming anyone here, im simply speaking in a general sense). Gotta stick to my principles.
Prince Vultan
Banned
I'm kind of surprised BD sold that much... but then I went right off the game and cancelled my pre-order after the shitty demo came out. Was excited by it before actually playing it.
Amusingly, I was super-down on LR from announcement but ended up enjoying the game despite myself when the demo of it was released.
Amusingly, I was super-down on LR from announcement but ended up enjoying the game despite myself when the demo of it was released.
It's also difficult to say just how much Lightning has hurt the brand overall.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
And people are doing that here and another threads, this thread is the culmination of an argument about whatever or not the FFXIII games were financially worthy to Square.
Admiral Woofington
Member
This is great for us waiting to see Bravely Second come to the US in the future. I hope they learned from their mistakes and don't give the
second half of the game again.
rehashed
To Far Away Times
Member
I think people have been waiting for something like Bravely Default for a long time. Well deserved.
I hope Bravely Default signals a change for the company.
I hope Bravely Default signals a change for the company.