KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
I'm in the same exact boat. FFXV is looking like it could be my GOTF. So as long as it delivers, I hope SE gives the fans of traditional titles another entry with similar scope as FFXV. Preferably by Ito
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Bravely Default Outsells Lightning Returns FF13 in the US
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Narpas Sword0
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lost odyssey did about 200k didn't it?
My issue with FFXV is it doesn't look like a FF game. And after FFXIII I don't trust SE with what they show of a FF game. And it seems like you and others want a WRPG in a FF skin.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Please tell me what about it doesn't look like a FF title. And don't tell me the combat system. We've discussed that to death in the other thread that Action JRPGs go back to the 1980's before everyone's precious Final Fantasy.
semiconscious
Member
in a nutshell?: all edge, no charm...
'precious' final fantasy is precious. & if you don't, or can't, appreciate that, that's your loss...
Dark_castle
Junior Member
The only major difference is the battle system, and even that isn't entirely different since XV still places focus on the use of multiple characters in battle, where you switch control on a fly to chain combos or to take advantage of enemy weakness, kind of like FFX or Ys 7. Magics, summons are all going to be in tact.
Setting wise, it's familiar to VII and VIII, and parts of XII.
And another thing. FFXV will bring back the classic world map with scaled, third-person perspective like Dragon Quest VIII and airship. The last mainline FF to have one was IX.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Not saying you're wrong but we haven't seen enough of the game. And its also all in the marketing. XIII's marketing from PR to media made us believe it was more traditional.
XV's marketing is so far trying to attract new players by focusing on the AAA elements. Closer to release they will start showing us all the traditional stuff they have always talked about. Nomura has stated several times how the story will have lighthearted elements too.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Fine, skip FFXV. And miss out on one of the largest, most ambitious AAA JRPG that will ever come out in the near future. The rest of us have one vast, beautiful world to explore and plenty of fun to have, you can go suck a lemon.
Madrugador
Member
This news is music for my ears. I hate what SE has done with Final Fantasy and on the other hand I'm really interested in Bravely Default.
Hope they get the message.
Hope they get the message.
Narpas Sword0
Member
If it's genre predates Final Fantasy then why is it hard to understand why someone would think it doesn't look like Final Fantasy
I don't recall where, but I remember there was an interview with Kitase in which he says the LR budget is comparable to 13-2's. Of course, I don't think they spent that much on 13-2, and considering LR has more new assets than 13-2, I think it's safe to say its budget was not AAA but wasn't below BD.
I don't consider Toriyama's reputation 'martyred'. He dug his own hole. In the time he loafed around as director on a major project with lots of resources, Tri-ace spit out 3 HD games (Infinite Undiscovery, Star Ocean 4, and Resonance of Fate which released around the same time at 13). Perhaps the size of those projects are not directly comparable to 13, but Triace's releases shows decent management and the ability to develop and release games in a timely fashion. As a director, Toriyama is absolutely a failure.
NeonZ
Member
SMT4 only really did great in relation to other SMT titles. IIRC, it was close to 100k by the end of last year. That beats every non-Persona SMT related title in the USA (so, I'm counting things like Devil Survivor, Devil Summoner and DDS, not only mainline SMT), but it isn't a high number overall if we look outside of Atlus' own franchises.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
How objective of you....
That's such a vague defense, for something you haven't even played, but already formed your opinion on. And what quantifies charm nowadays? Cumbersome medieval armor? Sprites? Ridiculous chibi proportions?
And btw, that meal scene between Noctis and his father, as well as the meeting scene between Noctis and Stella had loads of 'charm'.
That's not the point of my comment. He said I wanted an WRPG. Which (I'm assuming) he was falling back on the outdated argument that only WRPGs can be action and JRPGs must be turn based.
He is free to correct me if I was presumptuous.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Unfortunely the quality/appeal of those 3 games is why TriAce is now just a glorified outsourcing company.
Trailers nowadays are pretty much all like this. Action sells. Doesn't tell you much about what else is in the game.
They're not going to make a trailer of FFVII with... I don't know, Cloud in a dress.
I realize some people hate BD's story, but the battle system brought me to the game. I missed the classic FF1-9 style and the job system is still my favorite of all the FF systems.
Here's hoping we see more like this instead of the new belts everywhere style of later FF games.
Here's hoping we see more like this instead of the new belts everywhere style of later FF games.
Good, it's a better game (though not without its own flaws).
But it's really sad to see how far Final Fantasy has fallen. I know LR isn't a brand new mainline title, but damn. A new Final Fantasy on consoles used to be an event. This was one of the most important franchises in all of gaming. Have to wonder if it will ever recover or if Square Enix even has it in them to make another decent single-player FF game.
But it's really sad to see how far Final Fantasy has fallen. I know LR isn't a brand new mainline title, but damn. A new Final Fantasy on consoles used to be an event. This was one of the most important franchises in all of gaming. Have to wonder if it will ever recover or if Square Enix even has it in them to make another decent single-player FF game.
I would say the appeal is what did those games in, but quality-wise (tech/content/gameplay) those 3 games average about the same as 13.Unfortunely the quality/appeal of those 3 games is why TriAce is now just a glorified outsourcing company.
Bravely Default was supply constrained at retail which is partially why it's eShop attach rate was such an impressive ~20% (much like Fire Emblem last year). If stock had been available then it'd have outsold Lightning Returns at retail too.
Comparing chart positions in December to February is relatively meaningless for obvious reasons.
Worldwide LR is likely slightly ahead yet but BD will out leg it in the end.
You are sadly mistaken. No Persona game sold 200k first month or even ltd going by NPD.
Space Medafighter X
Member
Amazing news, its a fantastic RPG and it's insane Square never wanted to bring it over.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
So we're in agreement that Lightning Returns has an amazing battle system?
More like less than 1 million.
mickagau33
Member
Glad to hear that. It was a good game but with its share of problems. It's much more my thing than the whole FFXIII saga. I hope the sequel will get a bigger budget because most of BD problems seem to come from that (and bad decisions regarding how to handle that)
In my dreams, Bravely Second could be on par with the psx FF (in terms of "volume contents").
In my dreams, Bravely Second could be on par with the psx FF (in terms of "volume contents").
Ludicrous Speed
Banned
The FF name has been damaged though. I haven't been interested in a FF in years. And the last FF game I was interested in was FF VI because I had never played it before.
I'm glad BD sold well, I am enjoying myself. But, Nintendo needs to stop making it hard as balls to find physical copies of games like this during the first couple of weeks. All of the Gamestops I went to said they only had enough copies to cover preorders and neither Wal-Mart nor Target had it. I had to go to a Best Buy to grab it and it was the last copy.
Get off your digital high horse, Nintendo. I can't buy new memory cards for every new 3DS game I want. Those shits are hard to keep up with.
Get off your digital high horse, Nintendo. I can't buy new memory cards for every new 3DS game I want. Those shits are hard to keep up with.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
I read this:
I see BD below LR. Someone explain.
Good sales for both btw, I'm happy for S-E.
Follow the links, digital sales.
I'm not saying anything but that's the info I got from the links.
Doesn't that only count physical sales? BD digital could push BD total sales over LR's total sales.
spookyfish
Member
This will be Square's takeaway, unfortunately.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
and what about LR digital sales?
Green Mamba
Member
It's been gone over many times in this thread, LR's digital sales were garbage.
You can't win this one, Perfo. The costume changing queen got beaten by four costume changing teenagers. Her time is done.
Can't say that without actual numbers.
Were they? It was ranked #10 on the PSN sales chart of february. Does nobody buy games digitally on the PS3 or sumthin? Don't know about 360 sales.
HypocrisyGalore
Banned
Considering only two Final Fantasies have actually surpassed 7 million lifetime sales (though X will go pass that mark with the remaster and XIII may have possibly passed it by now), I think you need to do some more fact checking before entering this discussion.
Vire
Member
You sure showed him.
His point was that Final Fantasy games were not niche games and now they are.
HypocrisyGalore
Banned
Guess which SE director released three console games (four if you count FF X Remaster) this generation and which ones released none or one?
The first is Toriyama, the second everyone else
And he was martyred because he was the only one who actually stepped up to produce something. Had SE given him as much time as they've allowed Nomura with XV he could've just waited for the Crystal Tools engine to reach maturity before releasing XIII and we'd probably have gotten a much more open world (and I honestly think there'd have been very little backlash against XIII aside from the standard hate every FF since VI has gotten if that one thing was changed), instead he released three very different games when everyone else in the company was struggling to put out even one.
SuperDowns
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HypocrisyGalore
Banned
Then his point was wrong? Heck, Bravely Default is obviously a Final Fantasy in everything but name, so I don't even see how one could argue that Final Fantasy is niche and Bravely Default is successful in the same breath.
The reality is that LR is closer to something like Dirge of Cerberus than a mainline Final Fantasy, and looking at it from that angle (and considering the budget probably wasn't very high) the sales are disappointing but not indicative of the Final Fantasy brand being permanently damaged (and other evidences point to the same thing, such as ARR's success).
The name is everything.
Vire
Member
Successful has nothing to do with niche. You can be a successful niche game. He was replying and refuting to the fact people are saying that RPG's are niche so its okay for Final Fantasy games to sell like crap. His point was that oblivion proves that to be wrong and that anything Final Fantasy use to be mainstream now its not.
Make all the excuses you want. Including a game that isn't even a RPG (Dirge) into a conversation exclusively about RPGs is just missing the point.